Points from Obama's speech

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Vic
That's not a death panel. And if you think so, that can ONLY mean you're a socialist who believes every person should get guaranteed state-paid health coverage even if there is no hope that medical care would be effective.

That is EXACTLY what a "death panel" is....
She was on the Oregon health plan and a *panel* decided her treatment was too expensive...and what happend?

THEY TOLD HER TO DIE.

Memory loss? In your earlier thread we pointed out:

They told her treatment would not be effective (would not cure her) but she could have normal pain meds or (if she chose, and jumped through all the required hoops) she could take advantage of Oregon's death with dignity law that citizens voted for.

It's strange for you to be requiring unlimited cost palliative care for a limited-care state plan when last week you were railing against insurers being possibly forced to include a minimum set of features in their plans 5 years after health care reform passes.

Ouch.

 

[stateofbeasley]

Originally posted by: Patranus

That is EXACTLY what a "death panel" is....
She was on the Oregon health plan and a *panel* decided her treatment was too expensive...and what happend?

THEY TOLD HER TO DIE.

Listen up, dummy, can you read your own link? The guy had no health insurance to begin with.

From the article:

Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he applied to Oregon's state-run health plan for help.

What's next? Guy feels he needs a car so we buy him a Cadillac too? Frak you.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
I was hoping Obama would announce that he was going to cancel all of Congress's health care plan immediately and have them go back to their own states to try to get health insurance coverage for their loved ones. That might help them come to a compromise on something.

:thumbsup:

Great idea!

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Vic
That's not a death panel. And if you think so, that can ONLY mean you're a socialist who believes every person should get guaranteed state-paid health coverage even if there is no hope that medical care would be effective.

That is EXACTLY what a "death panel" is....
She was on the Oregon health plan and a *panel* decided her treatment was too expensive...and what happend?

THEY TOLD HER TO DIE.

Memory loss? In your earlier thread we pointed out:

They told her treatment would not be effective (would not cure her) but she could have normal pain meds or (if she chose, and jumped through all the required hoops) she could take advantage of Oregon's death with dignity law that citizens voted for.

It's strange for you to be requiring unlimited cost palliative care for a limited-care state plan when last week you were railing against insurers being possibly forced to include a minimum set of features in their plans 5 years after health care reform passes.

Ouch.

LOL - Effective at what? The point of it was to extend her life. It would have been effective at doing that. It would not have cured her. Funny, many procedures for the elderly mirror this....only improve the quality of life not cure "oldness".

You have a cure for "oldness" ...really? please share.

But ya, real life examples that go against "the agenda" are never allowed.

 

[DaveSimmons]

It was a $36,000 / year drug that would not significantly extend her life. In a state plan that was created to only offer limited care.

Again, it's strange that you want a limited plan to be forced to offer unlimited care, while insisting that no minimums ever should be set for your employer's insurance coverage.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Lying and sounding sincere is Obama's greatest talent. Obama is pushing families and businesses right down the potty. He wants to crush US with deficits and taxes. I don't know how US survives another 3.5 yrs of this headcase.

I cant wait until another 3 1/2 years goes by and the country is not only surviving, but prospering again.

thanks for the laugh though - I always enjoy watching idiots like you posting thier idiocy. As if anything will bring America down. This country is great and its a BIT stronger than you think. We will be fine, and you will still have your house with which to park your beat up old truck on the front lawn, you freegin appalachian nazi.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
It was a $36,000 / year drug that would not significantly extend her life. In a state plan that was created to only offer limited care.

Again, it's strange that you want a limited plan to be forced to offer unlimited care, while insisting that no minimums ever should be set for your employer's insurance coverage.

Ah, so it would not *significantly* extend her life.
So that hip replacement for grandma costs too much and won't *significantly* improve her quality of life so lets just give her a wheelchair.


But we are way off topic. The topic is the use of scare tactics. Obama started his speech complaining about the use of scare tactics and then went on to give a speech filled with them. Running deficits and need to lower cost? Why then does this legislation cost MORE THAN A TRILLION DOLLARS.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Sounds to me like Obama is the one peddling scare tactics.

Another day another couple troll threads.

Does it ever get old to you? Or do you still enjoy it?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Vic
That's not a death panel. And if you think so, that can ONLY mean you're a socialist who believes every person should get guaranteed state-paid health coverage even if there is no hope that medical care would be effective.

That is EXACTLY what a "death panel" is....
She was on the Oregon health plan and a *panel* decided her treatment was too expensive...and what happend?

THEY TOLD HER TO DIE.

Memory loss? In your earlier thread we pointed out:

They told her treatment would not be effective (would not cure her) but she could have normal pain meds or (if she chose, and jumped through all the required hoops) she could take advantage of Oregon's death with dignity law that citizens voted for.

It's strange for you to be requiring unlimited cost palliative care for a limited-care state plan when last week you were railing against insurers being possibly forced to include a minimum set of features in their plans 5 years after health care reform passes.

Ouch.

LOL - Effective at what? The point of it was to extend her life. It would have been effective at doing that. It would not have cured her. Funny, many procedures for the elderly mirror this....only improve the quality of life not cure "oldness".

You have a cure for "oldness" ...really? please share.

But ya, real life examples that go against "the agenda" are never allowed.

Excellent job ignoring his post. He shredded you and you're too stupid or too dishonest to address it.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
Your right, we do have death panels in this country.

http://www.reuters.com/article...2-Sep-2009+PRN20090902

dayam. Thanks for the link.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If you people would all ignore Patranus' threads he would probably just go away.

Hope is a beautiful thing.

:thumbsup:

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
Your right, we do have death panels in this country.

http://www.reuters.com/article...2-Sep-2009+PRN20090902

dayam. Thanks for the link.

Yikes.

More than one of every five requests for medical claims for insured patients, even when recommended by a patient's physician, are rejected by California's largest private insurers

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Excellent job ignoring his post. He shredded you and you're too stupid or too dishonest to address it.

Huh? They are two separate issues. Mandating a minimum level of care is a separate issue from a government run "death panel".

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If you people would all ignore Patranus' threads he would probably just go away.

No he wouldn't. I wonder how many banned accounts he/she already has, lol!

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
Your right, we do have death panels in this country.

http://www.reuters.com/article...2-Sep-2009+PRN20090902

dayam. Thanks for the link.

LOL - People bitch about their health insurance and then sit on their ass and don't change companies. If you are so unhappy with your current health insurance, CHANGE.

Again, the subject is GOVERNMENT "death panels" that do not exist. I couldn't care less if they exist in PRIVATE industry as they will only continue to exist as long as those companies have customers.

 

[GrumpyMan]

Yeah kind of like that William Hurt movie where he was a typical uncaring doctor. Then he came down with cancer himself I think it was. It was only then that he realized how fucked up the health care system was when someone is seriously ill and is trying to manage his health care options, along with trying to stay on top of his illness. Man did he have a change of heart about not only himself and his attitude towards his old patients, but also how uncaring and cold the system can be. Good movie.
I still think they should rescind all of Congress's health care plan just to make them see how the average American has to cope with all this crap. Let's see how they like it.

 

[dbk]

Well, congressman Wilson (R-SC) sure did embarrass himself....

FAIL

Obama did a better job at communicating exactly what his plan is... Can't say I agree with everything that he's said but I give him props for delivery.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dbk
Well, congressman Wilson (R-SC) sure did embarrass himself....

FAIL

Obama did a better job at communicating exactly what his plan is... Can't say I agree with everything that he's said but I give him props for delivery.

It's his goals that should concern every single working American. You're gonna get fucked. Mark this thread.

Write down your income and your tax liability at the end of the year, print out your 1099s and state returns. No need to post it. Just write it down, record it, print it out.

Then in Y2010 do the same.
Y2011, do the same

Pay attention to when Obama's goals are made into law.

Write down your tax liability. Record it. Compare it to previous years. Pay attention.

This speech should be your battle cry. This is the call to action against tyranny. This is our call to action and we will not be defeated.

 

[tfcmasta97]

lol what a country of retards.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I don't think I've ever read such a train wreck of nonsense as this thread.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dbk
Well, congressman Wilson (R-SC) sure did embarrass himself....

FAIL

Obama did a better job at communicating exactly what his plan is... Can't say I agree with everything that he's said but I give him props for delivery.

Well, in all fairness, I think he got ahead of his teleprompter a few times. The last 1/3 of his speech was...a bit choppy. Not his best performance speech-wise.

 

[sciwizam]

I wanna know what happened to a certain 17 million uninsured?

Used to be 47 million uninsured, today it was 30 million uninsured.

 

[Lemon law]

What we saw tonight is the nice President Obama, but he still layed it out, Obama is not going to back down no matter what the republirats do.

Were it me, I would put to the opposition in no uncertain terms, either you get on the reform bandwagon, or I am going to force you to embrace the current system which stinks. No more getting away with simple torpedoes, I am going to force you to embrace and love the stinking system we have which is undefinable. And unless you are prepared to compare an either or plan, you are only making noises that shed heat but no light.

Its not really clear what Obama said in tonight's speech, like I say, we saw the nice Obama, but if some are so delusional as to think they can keep up obstructionist ism business as usual, why should Obama feel obligated to warn the GOP that they may be crusin for a brusin. If Obama starts playing hard ball, its a guarantee that the GOP will really not like it, but many American voters would be pleased to see more beanballed GOP idiots get what they richly deserve.

As it is, even the blue dog democrats are getting ready to move towards a final version, and if the GOP wants to contribute and take some credit, all well and fine, but if the GOP wants to only obstruct, the train to contribute will leave the station very soon, and if the GOP does not climb aboard, the Darwin award of final extinction may well be their reward.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
I wanna know what happened to a certain 17 million uninsured?

Used to be 47 million uninsured, today it was 30 million uninsured.

Propaganda and lies from Obama are seen for what they are.

 

[spidey07]

BHO can has crisis?

FBHO.