Polaris Refresh (RX 500 Series) Rumors

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mohit9206

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I consider it a polite reminder that the Rx series is a good purchase with your Ryzen 5. Lol.
When the rx series first came out last year, i was bashing it because
1. Dx11 performance was behind nvidia
2. Prices were higher than Nvidia in many countries including mine.
Now both points have been rectified as prices have dropped.
But now with the rx560/570/580 the 2nd point again will become a problem for a few months.
So as long as old stock is available, this rebrand is not worth buying, once old stock is depleted, by then the prices should have normalized again.
A few really dumb people bought the rx480 at $430 at launch and now its available for $310. Now with rx580 dumb people will again be buying it at $400 when they could be buying the old card at $300. 25% higher price for what is the exact same graphics card.
 
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unseenmorbidity

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When the rx series first came out last year, i was bashing it because
1. Dx11 performance was behind nvidia
2. Prices were higher than Nvidia in many countries including mine.
Now both points have been rectified as prices have dropped.
But now with the rx560/570/580 the 2nd point again will become a problem for a few months.
So as long as old stock is available, this rebrand is not worth buying, once old stock is depleted, by then the prices should have normalized again.
A few really dumb people bought the rx480 at $430 at launch and now its available for $310. Now with rx580 dumb people will again be buying it at $400 when they could be buying the old card at $300. 25% higher price for what is the exact same graphics card.
I find it odd you are suddenly concerned about the marketplace.

It's not the exact same card anymore than kabylake is the same as skylake.

As far as the price goes, you cannot really compare a new release price to a clearance price. These cards obviously weren't going to release for the same price as the 480s. Everyone in the supply chain is going to want a bigger cut for a new product.

The 8gb cards, without the rebates, are about $230. The gamingx 580 was like $250 according to one site. Assuming only 6% higher speed, 230*1.06 = $244. The price to perf is about the same, and the rebates and game codes will be tacked onto the 580's soon enough.
 
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raghu78

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I find it odd you are suddenly concerned about the marketplace.

It's not the exact same card anymore than kabylake is the same as skylake.

If AMD have been able to lower or keep power consumption same as Rx 480 while increasing clocks on Rx 580 thats good. On the other hand if power consumption has gone up thats pretty bad. We will know by tomorrow if there have been actual silicon changes to Rx 580.
 

unseenmorbidity

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If AMD have been able to lower or keep power consumption same as Rx 480 while increasing clocks on Rx 580 thats good. On the other hand if power consumption has gone up thats pretty bad. We will know by tomorrow if there have been actual silicon changes to Rx 580.
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Power consumption will likely be less at lower clocks, but since the cards are boosting to higher clocks, the power consumption will likely increase.
 

mohit9206

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The 8gb cards, without the rebates, are about $230. The gamingx 580 was like $250 according to one site. Assuming only 6% higher speed, 230*1.06 = $244. The price to perf is about the same, and the rebates and game codes will be tacked onto the 580's soon enough.
I notice people posting RX470 deals for $120 AR and RX480 $150-160 AR so its quite a big difference although to be fair such kind of insane deals are only limited to the great country of USA.
 

crisium

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They will undoubtedly cost more than the deals on the 400 series that are available right now.
 

EXCellR8

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Wouldn't be surprised if some vendors "upgraded" their custom coolers and the initial adoption cost is more than RX 400 at launch. seems like a pretty standard tactic nowadays.
 

railven

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Gonna give AMD the benefit of the doubt. Grenada was a better overall product than Hawaii and I had zero issues recommending one new to any one who asked me (of course unless they were able to get a steal on a 290X Tri or Lightning). So hopefully the name Polaris 20 brings something we don't know to the table. It's going to be hard to recommend the costlier 500's over the similar specc'd 400s if there is no secret sauce in the mix.
 

ZGR

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I would wish they dropped the 4 gb model from the 470 and 480 for the 500 refresh while keeping prices low. Is 8gb overkill in most cases? Yes. But 4gb is not.
 

DarthKyrie

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I love when people compare nVidia and AMD power usage since Maxwell came out, seeing as nVidia removed most of the hardware for scheduling purposes and now uses mostly software to do the scheduling for the hardware whereas AMD has kept the hardware scheduler.
 

raghu78

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https://videocardz.com/68577/new-card-report-14-radeon-rx-500-edition

Some of the partner Rx 580 cards have pretty good clocks.
SAPPHIRE RX 580 8GB NITRO+ Limited Edition - 1450 Mhz
POWERCOLOR RX 580 8GB Red Devil Golden Sample - 1425 Mhz
XFX RX 580 8GB GTS BLACK EDITION - 1425 Mhz
GIGABYTE RX 580 8GB AORUS XTR - 1439 Mhz

What we need to wait and see is at what power consumption cost have these clocks been achieved. The problem with AMD cards in the past few generations has been the extremely high power consumption for marginal clock speed gains. So if these 6-8% overclocked models draw 50w more than the ref clocked Rx 580 at 1340 Mhz then its just a waste. Most people would rather prefer the lower noise and the cooler running GPU than these marginal clock gains (and even lesser actual perf gains).
 

crisium

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Really, if true that beats any 480 stock max boost.

Questions are can it maintain it, and power consumption.
 

EXCellR8

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hmm I was considering a newer card but my current MSI 480 runs @ 1350mhz and can push up to 1400. if it were a reference card it would be easier to replace but looks like I'll be keeping it for awhile longer.
 
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Problem is paid reviewers who in the past even when Nvidia has had much worse products, they keep recommending them over AMD/ATI.

Again that is fraud, that is scam. If you are biased towards a company and get paid or get presents from that company and you don't disclose that, you are committing fraud.

There is no doubt that in the past 2 generations Nvidia has been winning the top end war, but there is no objective way someone could recommend a GTX 960 over the 280x or 380. or the 760 over the 285.
You have any proof of these so called "paid reviewers" who recommend inferior products? Care to link one such review?
 
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unseenmorbidity

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You have any proof of these so called "paid reviewers" who recommend inferior products? Care to link one such review?
Ohh please, everyone knows that reviewers are biased. Even if it isn't overt, it's at least subconscious. It's basically open bribery, so of course you are going to like the people flying you out to conventions, and giving you access to tens of thousands of dollars in hardware.

Idk about you, but I would like the people that gave me all that stuff.

The system we rely on is flawed to the core, yet we expect/hope for objective analyses. In a lot of ways it mirrors the asininely corrupt US political system.
 
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Ohh please, everyone knows that reviewers are biased. Even if it isn't overt, it's at least subconscious. It's basically open bribery, so of course you are going to like the people flying you out to conventions, and giving you access to tens of thousands of dollars in hardware.

Idk about you, but I would like the people that gave me all that stuff.

The system we rely on is flawed to the core, yet we expect/hope for objective analyses. In a lot of ways it mirrors the asininely corrupt US political system.
The ubiquitous "everyone knows". That certainly proves the point. But I guess if you cant offer real proof, you just up the ante and make even more extreme accusations.
 
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unseenmorbidity

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The ubiquitous "everyone knows". That certainly proves the point. But I guess if you cant offer real proof, you just up the ante and make even more extreme accusations.
Don't be obtuse. Human nature is the proof.

I wasn't making accusations, but merely pointing out the fact we are reliant on an extremely flawed system.

The point of these benchmarks should be to inform buyers, but how can they do that if they're totally unrealistic? They're skewed to make your hardware seem obsolete, and to show new hardware look better than it will be for the vast vast majority of consumers.

Who is playing AAA games with the best gpu available at 720p? No one...
Who is playing AAA games with the best gpu available at 1080p? Almost no one...

Combined, these make up a niche so small that it's statistically irrelevant! So, why are these the focus of cpu benchmarks?

Then you look at gpu benchmarks, and what do you see? All the games are tested on ultra, which have absurdly pointless levels of aa, post processing, tessellation, shadows, etc...The games are often also loaded with "features", cough gimpworks, that offer little to no increase in graphical fidelity, yet tank performance. Again, why?

Ask yourself this. "Do you really think nvidia is paying engineers,and the studios, to load games with gameworks out of the goodness of their heart"? No? I didn't think so. There's obviously some sort of profit incentive in it for them.

What we consider to be "reviews" are little more than advertisements.

It's like hoping the mainstream media will do real journalism. They are told what and how to report the "news". There was never any real chance for objective reporting to occur.

It's past time we stop acting like drones from a cult, and start questioning what lies at the core of our beliefs.
 
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SpaceBeer

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Let's not pretend AMD is rebranding Polaris cards for anything other than to bait unsuspecting and uninformed people into thinking this is a brand new graphics card launch and much better than last year's cards so its worth the higher price.
I really liked that video from Adoredtv. Both companies are equally to blame for the rebranding crap but unfortunately its a necessary evil as we cannot have a die shrink and new architecture every year but the way amd and nvidia go about rebranding without making the product position and naming scheme easy to understand for the buyer is a big part of the problem.
My colleague thought intel naming i3/i5/i7 states CPU generation, and was surprised there are still i3 laptops available, now when we have i7. Many people think GTX 760 is much better than GTX 960 due to 256 bit memory bus.

So I don't care about naming and marketing. As long as people make buying decisions without investing some time to find out all specs and performance, I support crappy naming schemes AMD is using. Intel also. nVidia is little bit better.
 

Crumpet

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My colleague thought intel naming i3/i5/i7 states CPU generation, and was surprised there are still i3 laptops available, now when we have i7. Many people think GTX 760 is much better than GTX 960 due to 256 bit memory bus.

So I don't care about naming and marketing. As long as people make buying decisions without investing some time to find out all specs and performance, I support crappy naming schemes AMD is using. Intel also. nVidia is little bit better.

This is the problem, the average consumer has no clue about any of this, and either goes by whatever heresay their friends say without doing any kind of research themselves.

This also leads to uninformed retail salespeople, who then simply push whatever their manager says costs the most, rather than the correct product for the individual.

In essence, the problem with society is a lack of awareness and a willingness to learn.
 
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