Polaris Refresh (RX 500 Series) Rumors

[ZGR]

I agree. This ties in well with OEM refresh. It reminds me a lot of Nvidia's 300M series which brought nothing new other than the name. Unlike Nvidia, there are new cards being released (550 and 560).

I hope to see some all AMD OEM builds to recommend. Would be a refreshing sight.

 

[richierich1212]

At least there is a RX 570 ITX card: Sapphire Radeon PULSE RX 570 ITXI 4GB GDDR5 PCI-E HDMI / DVI-D / DP (UEFI) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-202-284

 

[railven]

Okay, I know the usual echo chamber of power consumption doesn't matter, but this is just insane. TPU updated their charts for the Nitro+ and I saw this:

Then compare it to this:

I don't even think there were any chip refinements. This puts it in worse light to me than the original 480 launch. You're using almost 1/2 more power for just 12% gains!

 

[mohit9206]

30w additional power for 2fps.

Same old AMD

Seems crazy some people were expecting /hoping it to match the Fury.

I'm liking the $79 price of the 550, makes me hopeful that we'll see sales and rebates under $60. Maybe nvidia will unleash a 1040 or something to compete.

I'm definitely not liking the $79 price. Look at this way. You only get 50% of the performance of RX560 while just being 27% cheaper. Pretty terrible value.

That will be the best rebrand/refresh, in my opinion. 460 to 560.
Should be 14% faster.

14% is very underwhelming. I was hoping for atleast 25%. Why does amd keep disappointing?

Ultimately there are two new products, 560 and 550. Neither of which are getting the attention necessary. :-(

560 is the same product at 460 with unlocked cores while 550 is half of 560 disabled. Not worthy of any attention.

 

[tamz_msc]

At least there is a RX 570 ITX card: Sapphire Radeon PULSE RX 570 ITXI 4GB GDDR5 PCI-E HDMI / DVI-D / DP (UEFI) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-202-284

Finally. I hope board partners can experiment with form factors as this was one area that was severely lacking compared to the mini versions of the GTX 1060.

 

[railven]

Seems crazy some people were expecting /hoping it to match the Fury.

Well it's getting there in power consumption. But this is a growing trend from the same posters that leaves me shaking my head. The hype they create is amazing.

 

[Bacon1]

The power stuff is very strange, I'm going to say that TPU messed something up though

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-04/radeon-rx-580-570-test/4/

50% of the power used while not gaming and light computer use (youtube etc).

38% more power on 470 Powercolor Red Devil vs reference 470

Only 19% more for Gaming X, 25% for Nitro+ OC vs reference 480

 

[Crumpet]

Okay, I know the usual echo chamber of power consumption doesn't matter, but this is just insane. TPU updated their charts for the Nitro+ and I saw this:

Then compare it to this:

I don't even think there were any chip refinements. This puts it in worse light to me than the original 480 launch. You're using almost 1/2 more power for just 12% gains!

Its just diminishing returns.

As far as I know a similar overclock on an Rx480 would have taken more voltage.

AMD have pretty much dropped the performance~wattage thing with these because Nvidia have just straight up done it better, they can get the same amount of graphical power for less power. So Nvidia has won in the SFF department, so there's no point in a refresh lineup to keep aiming for a competition they don't even have a horse in.
However they can aim to win in the price~performance sweepstakes, and straight up performance competitions.. So up goes the voltage, up goes the clocks.

 

[tamz_msc]

Okay, I know the usual echo chamber of power consumption doesn't matter, but this is just insane. TPU updated their charts for the Nitro+ and I saw this:

Then compare it to this:

I don't even think there were any chip refinements. This puts it in worse light to me than the original 480 launch. You're using almost 1/2 more power for just 12% gains!

RX 580 = RX 480 with higher Vcore and increased BIOS power limit for higher clocks.

 

[railven]

Its just diminishing returns.

As far as I know a similar overclock on an Rx480 would have taken more voltage.

AMD have pretty much dropped the performance~wattage thing with these because Nvidia have just straight up done it better, they can get the same amount of graphical power for less power. So Nvidia has won in the SFF department, so there's no point in a refresh lineup to keep aiming for a competition they don't even have a horse in.
However they can aim to win in the price~performance sweepstakes, and straight up performance competitions.. So up goes the voltage, up goes the clocks.

RX 580 = RX 480 with higher Vcore and increased BIOS power limit for higher clocks.

I'm well aware of that, which is why I siad to me it comes off worse than the 480 launch. 390X made the 290X launch irrelevant. For me it's the opposite. AMD is coming out using more power and in some situations not much performance gain for the power differences.

Welps, someone said something about OEMs selling these. Hopefully AMD gets some good sales. I can only imagine what more mainstream forums have to say.

 

[Phynaz]

No one cares about power consumption. Well, maybe someone looking to build one of those tiny case PCs, SFF?, but they aren't going to want one of these cards for that anyways.

Every OEM cares about power consumption, so that throws your "No one cares" out the window.

Power consumption is my number one criteria for buying a PC product (well perf/watt, assuming perf is acceptable).

 

[Phynaz]

Funny that you should mention trolling...

When the enthusiastic run out of logical arguments they always end up name calling. Next people will start accusing others of spreading FUD.

 

[Phynaz]

The fact that they compared it to the 300 series in their official slides means that less people upgraded from those cards than AMD had hoped for.

They compared it to the 300 series to mislead people.
"Look! our new card is 2.5x faster!!"
"(Than our two generation old card from years ago.)"

 

[Stormflux]

With these being clocked to the gills at 1300+, over the process/architecture sweet spot, equipped with only 36 CUs. Anyone else seeing Polaris for PC as leftovers? From both being a pipe cleaner tech or more importantly, the console developments? PS4 Pro, and seperately now Scorpio with the confirmed 40CU part clocked at 1172mhz.

I'm still waiting for Vega, and realize AMDs financial position but, it is what it is?

 

[mohit9206]

Holy crap higher power consumption than 1080Ti. So much for Polaris being marketed as a power efficient graphics chip. 2.8X perf/watt anyone??

 

[Ranulf]

RX 580 = RX 480 with higher Vcore and increased BIOS power limit for higher clocks.

Seems likely but given my experiences with the Sapphire 480 Nitros, I'll wait to see what reviews show with other brands.

PCPer looks at MSI, looks like 200w power usage : https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-RX-580-8GB-Review-Polaris-Populism

 

[Phynaz]

Okay, I know the usual echo chamber of power consumption doesn't matter, but this is just insane. TPU updated their charts for the Nitro+ and I saw this:

Then compare it to this:

I don't even think there were any chip refinements. This puts it in worse light to me than the original 480 launch. You're using almost 1/2 more power for just 12% gains!

Wow, power consumption at Fury level. Just in time for summer in the northern hemisphere too.

 

[Crumpet]

They compared it to the 300 series to mislead people.
"Look! our new card is 2.5x faster!!"
"(Than our two generation old card from years ago.)"

You understand the premise of advertising right?

 

[Bouowmx]

wow https://twitter.com/AMD/status/763017517388398592

Trolling. This has nothing to do with the 500 series
Markfw
Anandtech Moderator

 

[tamz_msc]

They compared it to the 300 series to mislead people.
"Look! our new card is 2.5x faster!!"
"(Than our two generation old card from years ago.)"

The R9 380X which they compared the RX 580 against is GCN3.

 

[Crumpet]

wow https://twitter.com/AMD/status/763017517388398592

You do understand how the Rx5 series is a different release to the Rx4 series right?

 

[tamz_msc]

Holy crap higher power consumption than 1080Ti. So much for Polaris being marketed as a power efficient graphics chip. 2.8X perf/watt anyone??

If you actually want to see the 2.8X perf/watt increase, consumer Polaris isn't the place for it: look at the Radeon Pro WX 5100 vs the FirePro W5100.

 

[IEC]

wow https://twitter.com/AMD/status/763017517388398592

August 2016. And par for the course for AMD's terrible marketing, lol.

 

[beginner99]

RX 580 = RX 480 with higher Vcore and increased BIOS power limit for higher clocks.

I don't get that. Wasn't the RX 480 mostly memory bandwidth limited already? I mean the benches clearly show almost no gains at considerably higher power use. Yeah power use doesn't matter that much but getting worse performance/watt almost a year later fro same price? Common.
They should have just kept clocks constant and reduced default voltage instead.

Or offer an RX 480 Nano with lower clocks and voltage to show at least some innovation. This is just terrible. At least if you rebrand, downgrade them a level eg RX 480 -> RX 570 and adjust price. But this is just fail.

 

[DaveSimmons]

+6% speed for -$10 cost. Good.

Medium power state for video decoding and light 3D: Very good.

+20% power draw. Not good! This is like Kaby Lake 7700K where they pre-overclocked it for you to get a speed bump over the last gen. The AnandTech review passes on AMD claims about power use improvements but that's clearly nonsense at gaming loads.