Polaris Refresh (RX 500 Series) Rumors

[Crumpet]

I don't get that. Wasn't the RX 480 mostly memory bandwidth limited already? I mean the benches clearly show almost no gains at considerably higher power use. Yeah power use doesn't matter that much but getting worse performance/watt almost a year later fro same price? Common.
They should have just kept clocks constant and reduced default voltage instead.

Or offer an RX 480 Nano with lower clocks and voltage to show at least some innovation. This is just terrible. At least if you rebrand, downgrade them a level eg RX 480 -> RX 570 and adjust price. But this is just fail.

Isn't that technically an Rx570?

 

[Pseudoics]

Perhaps Little Vega will fill out this line up by coming in 590 and 590x SKUs. If it's a successful chip, people who can't afford it may step down to the rebrands by association.

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[Phynaz]

You understand the premise of advertising right?

Yes.

 

[n0x1ous]

soooo boring......need some VEGA VEGA VEGA

 

[tamz_msc]

I don't get that. Wasn't the RX 480 mostly memory bandwidth limited already? I mean the benches clearly show almost no gains at considerably higher power use. Yeah power use doesn't matter that much but getting worse performance/watt almost a year later fro same price? Common.
They should have just kept clocks constant and reduced default voltage instead.

Or offer an RX 480 Nano with lower clocks and voltage to show at least some innovation. This is just terrible. At least if you rebrand, downgrade them a level eg RX 480 -> RX 570 and adjust price. But this is just fail.

With respect to core clocks, it is power limited above everything else. Memory OCing on the RX 480/470 had its own quirks, but that isn't related to my point.

The Anandtech review showed the power limit on the RX 580 RedDevil Quiet OC BIOS set to 145W. Reference RX 480 is set to 110W IIRC.

 

[richaron]

I don't get that. Wasn't the RX 480 mostly memory bandwidth limited already? I mean the benches clearly show almost no gains at considerably higher power use. Yeah power use doesn't matter that much but getting worse performance/watt almost a year later fro same price? Common.
They should have just kept clocks constant and reduced default voltage instead.

Or offer an RX 480 Nano with lower clocks and voltage to show at least some innovation. This is just terrible. At least if you rebrand, downgrade them a level eg RX 480 -> RX 570 and adjust price. But this is just fail.

Yeah AIBs are free to do this, although I agree perhaps AMD should have pointed out both power savings and increased clocks as two distinct things (if in fact process improvements exist and are worth pointing out).

Iirc the 480 Red Devil reviews in the "silent" mode showed almost 1060 levels of efficiency back on release, but obviously also less performance than regular. And we can all see how important and wide spread those results are... Or maybe you're off the mark about how much Polaris efficiency can drive sales.

 

[Arachnotronic]

wow https://twitter.com/AMD/status/763017517388398592

Well, if they want to make the power consumption argument, maybe NVIDIA should compare the GTX 1060 to the RX 580...

 

[mohit9206]

Guys this is daylight robbery, a complete rip off.

Who in their right mind would buy it for £300 when 480 is available for £210?
And 1070 can be had for as little as £360 brand new.
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asu...dvi-2-x-hdmi-dp?_e_pi_=7,PAGE_ID10,8233572048
This is a sick joke from AMD(and Asus).

 

[tamz_msc]

Guys this is daylight robbery, a complete rip off.

Who in their right mind would buy it for £300 when 480 is available for £210?
And 1070 can be had for as little as £360 brand new.
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-gtx-1070-oc-gaming-8gb-gddr5-graphics-card-1920-core-1569mhz-base-1759mhz-boost-dvi-2-x-hdmi-dp?_e_pi_=7,PAGE_ID10,8233572048
This is a sick joke from AMD(and Asus).

Asus RX 480 Strix cards were overpriced at launch as well. That and Brexit. UK prices are completely haywire these days, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[exquisitechar]

Quite a pointless product. Power consumption is through the roof yet the performance increase is negligible.

Maybe if they put faster memory on it...

They compared it to the 300 series to mislead people.
"Look! our new card is 2.5x faster!!"
"(Than our two generation old card from years ago.)"

30w additional power for 2fps.

Same old AMD

I lost it when I saw your avatar.

I still don't condone trolling, though. The 380x is GCN 1.3 and the 580 is GCN 1.4., an entirely valid comparison. Not going to even reply to the second post.

 

[DarthKyrie]

GCN is OLD its from fermi days.NV moved away from fermi but AMD stuck with GCN because they dont have money for new architecture.

Edit:ryzen is brand new architecture.Its not only updated bulldozer thats why its power efficient.
AMD really need get away from GCN and made something new from scratch.

Vega will be still updated GCN.

They can't do away with GCN yet, as long as M$ and Sony want backward compatibility they are going to need GCN.

 

[Tup3x]

So... Basically this is not the GTX 1060 killer people were looking for. Doesn't even seem to offer that good value for the money all things considered.

 

[Crumpet]

Asus RX 480 Strix cards were overpriced at launch as well. That and Brexit. UK prices are completely haywire these days, if I'm not mistaken.

Yup.

And rebrand or not, new product vs old product, the new one will always fetch a premium.

They normally do this in the UK then slash the prices after a couple of months, we call this early adopters tax. I could have saved £30 on my 1800x if i'd waited another 6-8 weeks.

 

[mohit9206]

Asus RX 480 Strix cards were overpriced at launch as well. That and Brexit. UK prices are completely haywire these days, if I'm not mistaken.

Ok just looked up. Sapphire 580 at £240 is much more reasonable. So £30 more than 480.

So... Basically this is not the GTX 1060 killer people were looking for. Doesn't even seem to offer that good value for the money all things considered.

Would still recommend people to get 480 8GB over 1060 6GB because that extra 2GB will come in handy over the next few months/years.
Sometimes having that extra memory can be the difference between smooth gameplay and frequent frame drops because of running out of memory.

 

[tential]

I think the majority of you are overthinking this.

Ryzen 5 just released.

OEM companies will be releasing Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 prebuilts soon.

The average consumer is unlikely to purchase a prebuilt system with a brand new processor if it has an "old" graphics card in it, especially one with poor reviews.

But a prebuilt computer with a New processor and a "New" graphics card will seem like a good deal.

I hate your logic. Please go. If you aren't going to fuel fires by picking a team and fighting for it then what's the point?
/sarcasm

Can't believe we're still surprised and a rebrand and still surprised the outgoing card is massively discounted and a better deal....

 

[Crumpet]

I hate your logic. Please go. If you aren't going to fuel fires by picking a team and fighting for it then what's the point?
/sarcasm

Can't believe we're still surprised and a rebrand and still surprised the outgoing card is massively discounted and a better deal....

I'm sorry.. um.. um.. GTX 1070 should have its price cut to match the 1080 price cut. Um.. um.. Nvidias DX12 poor driver support for Ryzen is 100% AMD's fault. um.. um.. THIS IS HARD.

 

[DarthKyrie]

I'm sorry.. um.. um.. GTX 1070 should have its price cut to match the 1080 price cut. Um.. um.. Nvidias DX12 poor driver support for Ryzen is 100% AMD's fault. um.. um.. THIS IS HARD.

You should give it up, you're not a nVidia troll.

 

[piesquared]

Nice cards. I'd rather be in the AMD ecosystem with better software (is NV ever going to update their slow, dated 90's style control panel?), better design and support for the new APIs, better support for open standards etc. I would have grabbed one for sure if i didn't just buy an RX 470 a couple months ago. :thumbsup:

 

[Crumpet]

You should give it up, you're not a nVidia troll.

Yeah, whilst I prefer AMD and Radeon as companies i'll generally buy and sell what I consider to be the best buy at the moment. I was unlucky in that my first Nvidia GPU was a GTX970 and I got caught out with the 3.5gb thing and I bought into some misrepresented media, but it made me more tech-savvy.

My first foray into Intel also left a bad taste in my mouth, but I accept it was my fault. I should have made my budget stretch further and got a more suitable processor for my needs. I often forget that i'm more of a power user and multitasker than the average pc owner, so the poor old i5 couldn't keep up with my requirements.

But if Radeon screw up this Vega release really badly i'll bite the bullet and get a 1080ti instead, making my 144hz freesync monitor relatively pointless, and AMD are going to need to make Zen+ impressive if they're going to compete with Intels next gen stuff with 6 cores stuff, which whilst not really important to me personally will affect my advice towards anyone else.

So.. I have an obvious bias. But i'm also not dumb.

 

[piesquared]

The much lower temps and noise from these reference 580s is pretty impressive too. They make the NV FE reference cards look pretty bad (of course reviewers of the NV reference cards failed to acknowledge how poor they are, even though they charged a premium for them)!

 

[kawi6rr]

I'll be picking up a 580 soon, the extra power means nothing to me I just need to decide on which card to purchase I read many of the reviews and while some give the edge to 1060 there are just as many reviews that give the edge to the 580 in pure performance.

 

[n0x1ous]

The much lower temps and noise from these reference 580s is pretty impressive too. They make the NV FE reference cards look pretty bad (of course reviewers of the NV reference cards failed to acknowledge how poor they are, even though they charged a premium for them)!

? there is no reference 580

 

[nathanddrews]

560 is the same product at 460 with unlocked cores while 550 is half of 560 disabled. Not worthy of any attention.

That's a rather ridiculous thing to say if you think about it:

1. The "460 with unlocked cores" is a new product and it's launching for $20 ($10?) less than the outgoing part. If the 1050Ti got a performance boost and price reduction, the internet would explode.
2. The "half of 560 [cores] disabled" is a new product and it's launching for $79, a mere $10 over the street price of the KEPLER-based GT 730! It's a pretty big deal.

 

[crisium]

550 is very nice to see. It's the cheapest way to addon HDMI 2.0 support. It also offers improved gaming over integrated graphics, for the casual low-medium settings esport player. It is the highlight of this launch. It's not meant to compete on price-to-performance with the vastly superior 560. Just pure low price, HDMI 2.0, and low wattage.

 

[Crumpet]

550 is very nice to see. It's the cheapest way to addon HDMI 2.0 support. It also offers improved gaming over integrated graphics, for the casual low-medium settings esport player. It is the highlight of this launch.

Very fair point considering the Ryzen chips have no onboard graphics. Makes the price of a Ryzen system that has no massive need for a gpu a lot more manageable whilst still having a brand new component with warranty