Polaris Refresh (RX 500 Series) Rumors

[TeknoBug]

Are they forced to drop the 1070 price way down and rebrand the 1070 with 1GHz faster memory to fill the gap?

I hope they drop the price of the 1070, I'd buy one. Can't be bothered to pay $600+ CDN for one right now.

 

[piesquared]

Even if those scores and clocks are legit, the 1070 is still a half tier to a tier above in performance.

It just means that if the RX 580 is really clocked above 1400MHz out of box and is capable of 1500MHz+ OCs, it will be nipping at the heels of the Fury/X in most games at 1440p/4K, and potentially surpassing it at 1080p. Now if it actually ends up being a little bit cheaper than the RX 480 (Lithuanian price leak example is ~5% cheaper) then it would be a solid offering.

Seriously though? If those clocks are right and it's at 1500 MHz out of the box like that image claims, why would it have to be cheaper than an RX 480? It will destroy the 1060. So what does NV do then?

 

[IEC]

Seriously though? If those clocks are right and it's at 1500 MHz out of the box like that image claims, why would it have to be cheaper than an RX 480? It will destroy the 1060. So what does NV do then?

I *really* doubt it is 1500MHz out of the box. 1425 boost maybe, but I would be shocked if the 1500MHz is a factory overclock. It's what the best RX 480s are capable of with greatly increased voltage.

 

[piesquared]

I *really* doubt it is 1500MHz out of the box. 1425 boost maybe, but I would be shocked if the 1500MHz is a factory overclock. It's what the best RX 480s are capable of with greatly increased voltage.

Yes, but I'm discussing that leak that shows it at 1500 mhz. So provided that is true, then what does NV do?

 

[IEC]

Yes, but I'm discussing that leak that shows it at 1500 mhz. So provided that is true, then what does NV do?

I still doubt the leak is true, but even if it is, nVidia doesn't have to do a thing.

Their consumers in the USA are still buying $240 GTX 1060 cards even in the face of $110 after rebate RX 470 and $140 after rebate RX 480 cards. At best you'll see nVidia bundle more/newer games with their cards. Because it costs them almost nothing to do so.

Personally given the incredible value of the RX 470 and RX 480 cards I would never use anything else for a mainstream or budget gaming build. In fact I'll be using an RX 480 for my next build for a friend.

 

[Mopetar]

If these scores are accurate what can NV respond with? Are they forced to drop the 1070 price way down and rebrand the 1070 with 1GHz faster memory to fill the gap?

The 1070 get's 8k+ in Fire Strike Extreme, so I'm not sure why Nvidia would need to react to a 580 that can get around 75% of that amount.

You'd pretty much need a 1800 MHz clock before NVidia needs to be nervous about the 580 eating the 1070's lunch, and that seems pretty unlikely even if 1500 MHz were the base clock instead of an OC.

 

[piesquared]

I still doubt the leak is true, but even if it is, nVidia doesn't have to do a thing.

Their consumers in the USA are still buying $240 GTX 1060 cards even in the face of $110 after rebate RX 470 and $140 after rebate RX 480 cards. At best you'll see nVidia bundle more/newer games with their cards. Because it costs them almost nothing to do so.

Personally given the incredible value of the RX 470 and RX 480 cards I would never use anything else for a mainstream or budget gaming build. In fact I'll be using an RX 480 for my next build for a friend.

Agreed, my RX 470 is fantastic. But if Nv thinks they can ignore the competition in the face of a 1500mhz RX 580, i think they'll be wishing they hadn't.

 

[piesquared]

The 1070 get's 8k+ in Fire Strike Extreme, so I'm not sure why Nvidia would need to react to a 580 that can get around 75% of that amount.

You'd pretty much need a 1800 MHz clock before NVidia needs to be nervous about the 580 eating the 1070's lunch, and that seems pretty unlikely even if 1500 MHz were the base clock instead of an OC.

Again, we're talking about the 1060. About the RX 580 eating the 1060's lunch.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Again, we're talking about the 1060. About the RX 580 eating the 1060's lunch.

But nvidia is making a 1060ti, or w/e they call it, right?

I don't see your point. They are reacting.

 

[piesquared]

But nvidia is making a 1060ti, or w/e they call it, right?

I don't see your point. They are reacting.

My point is i'm asking WTF nvidia will do in the face of an RX 580 if it's at 1500mhz. Now do you see the point, it's a pretty straight forward question. And you even answered it, so i guess i don't see your point in questioning what my point is. A 1060ti is a possibility yes, but it has to be a cut down Gp104 die then because it will take a 2100mhz Gp106 to compete with a 1500mhz RX 580, which is probably what they'll do. Can they get the die cut down enough and in high enough volume to service the same market would be interesting though. Now if the RX 580 boost is quite high then it would get real interesting.

 

[Mopetar]

Again, we're talking about the 1060. About the RX 580 eating the 1060's lunch.

Then why were you posting about NVidia dropping the price of the 1070? Maybe they have to drop the price of the 1060, but I don't see the 1070 being threatened at all.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Check this monster 580 out.

2.5 Slots

8 pin + 6 pin

The last devil 480s weren't particularly good. Maybe they are trying to overcompensate with this!?

https://videocardz.com/68228/devil-caught-in-the-act

 

[piesquared]

Then why were you posting about NVidia dropping the price of the 1070? Maybe they have to drop the price of the 1060, but I don't see the 1070 being threatened at all.

If the 1060 can't compete, would they have to lower the price of the 1070. Without a 1060ti, would they just leave the market open to an RX 580 that is say 20% faster than a 1060? I doubt it, therefore, would the only option be to decrease the price of the 1070. Has nothing to do with whether it is 1070 is x amount faster, it's what card would they use to compete with the 580.

But, a double cut GP104 is an option that could become the 1060ti and they would probably use that.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

My point is i'm asking WTF nvidia will do in the face of an RX 580 if it's at 1500mhz. Now do you see the point, it's a pretty straight forward question. And you even answered it, so i guess i don't see your point in questioning what my point is. A 1060ti is a possibility yes, but it has to be a cut down Gp104 die then because it will take a 2100mhz Gp106 to compete with a 1500mhz RX 580, which is probably what they'll do. Can they get the die cut down enough and in high enough volume to service the same market would be interesting though. Now if the RX 580 boost is quite high then it would get real interesting.

The 1060 sees a large perf gain with faster memory. That's the real bottleneck on the 1060, and iirc, they are putting faster memory on it.

Maybe the 580 ends up faster, but so what?

 

[piesquared]

Nice Red Devil Golden Sample.

This one is nice too, the Red Devil.

 

[piesquared]

The 1060 sees a large perf gain with faster memory. That's the real bottleneck on the 1060, and iirc, they are putting faster memory on it.

Maybe the 580 ends up faster, but so what?

What do you mean so what? So what if the 1060 is faster.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

That 6+8pin kind of has me a bit concerned. Are they really expecting this card to need upwards of 300watts of power when oc'd?!

That is a massive cooler, so I suspect you can do some hefty oc's, but that's a lot of juice.

 

[nathanddrews]

Any idea of how the RX 550 will perform and cost?

$35 like the GT710?
$60 like the GT730?

 

[Bouowmx]

AMD Radeon RX 550 core config still unknown, but 3DMark Fire Strike score available, comfortably ahead of NVIDIA GeForce GT 730: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-580-570-560-3dmark-performance-benchmarks/ vs http://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=basic&url=/proxycon/ajax/search/gpuname/fs/X/NVIDIA GeForce GT 730

Comparing to Radeon RX 460, I estimate 550 has at least 512 shaders.

 

[frozentundra123456]

straw grasping taken to the next lvl...

Actually, no, it is called accurate use of the English language.

 

[nathanddrews]

I suppose a semi important feature may be full PlayReady 3.0 and the latest HDCP support for 4K streaming services and UHD Blu-ray. It will be harder to push these as HTPC cards without that.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Any idea of how the RX 550 will perform and cost?

$35 like the GT710?
$60 like the GT730?

Right now you can get a 2GB aftermarket RX 460 for $60 AR.

 

[SPBHM]

the biggest problem with the 460 is that most don't have the external power connector, while the card easily exceeds specs that can cause problems specially with cheaper motherboard, I've seen big threads and buyers commentaries of people complaining about crashes and throttling due to power, some solved by reducing performance (power limit and clock), but... I hope they fix this with the 550 and 560, either by using less power like a 1050 does, or by demanding the connector.

 

[nathanddrews]

Pretty sure that power draw issue was related to OC aftermarket models. Didn't AMD address that very soon after launch?

 

[nathanddrews]

Right now you can get a 2GB aftermarket RX 460 for $60 AR.

Tempting, but I've never use Jet.com before.