Polaris Refresh (RX 500 Series) Rumors

[SPBHM]

Pretty sure that power draw issue was related to OC aftermarket models. Didn't AMD address that very soon after launch?

even a reference model has power draw that is to high for a card without the connector, and for some reason they keep selling "460 OC" without it, I even saw 4GB OC models without the connector...

consider that most people buying these are running old/lower end motherboards and you have a problem, if you do a google search or check things like newegg reviews you will find an abnormally high number of people complaining about 460s crashing

 

[nathanddrews]

even a reference model has power draw that is to high for a card without the connector, and for some reason they keep selling "460 OC" without it, I even saw 4GB OC models without the connector...

consider that most people buying these are running old/lower end motherboards and you have a problem, if you do a google search or check things like newegg reviews you will find an abnormally high number of people complaining about 460s crashing

Seems like most 460 models have 4/5 or 5/5 customer reviews. If it were as widespread as you say, I would expect much lower review scores from owners.

Either way, I would expect that ifor the 550 is cut down from the 460 and better binned (?), then it probably consumes a lot less power.

 

[crisium]

Since it has been a few days since my last suggestion to keep wccftech induced expectations in check, here's another reminder of last year. =)

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-overclocked-1600mhz-cooler-detailed/

 

[redzo]

Since it has been a few days since my last suggestion to keep wccftech induced expectations in check, here's another reminder of last year. =)

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-overclocked-1600mhz-cooler-detailed/

right.
remember this: sell your 390 cuz rx480 is super fast!

Both gtx 1060 with bitchn fast memory and rx 580 are rebrands. AMD and nvidia, they don't bother, they are playing safe.
Quite boring until vega and volta.

 

[Qwertilot]

I don't think you can something a rebrand if they don't actually do the rebranding bit of it

 

[tential]

Tempting, but I've never use Jet.com before.

Startup that Walmart bought out
It's supposed to be an online version of Costco.

 

[railven]

I don't think you can something a rebrand if they don't actually do the rebranding bit of it

Hopefully it isn't at the same level of putting a 4GB sticker over the 8GB they did with the RX 480s. Or worse, I remember when I bought the wife a GTX 9800+ you could actually peel the sticker back on the shroud to reveal a GTX 9800 sticker. Haha. (And yes I know it was a die shrink, but some AIBs it seems just recycled their shrouds from the 9800s poorly.)

 

[unseenmorbidity]

I don't think you can something a rebrand if they don't actually do the rebranding bit of it

Is this a weird troll comment that's supposed to be funny? Are you serious? It's not a rebrand, because they only changed the name a little bit. lol

Well then, the RX 580 is even less of a rebrand, because they only changed one character in the name!

 

[frozentundra123456]

Is this a weird troll comment that's supposed to be funny? Are you serious? It's not a rebrand, because they only changed the name a little bit. lol

Well then, the RX 580 is even less of a rebrand, because they only changed one character in the name!

you

I don't think you can something a rebrand if they don't actually do the rebranding bit of it

Exactly. I actually said the same thing in another post.

 

[kawi6rr]

There's a difference between rebrand and refresh.
A rebrand to me would be adding new stickers to the same old product.
A refresh to would be if the new product was modified or upgraded in anyway.

A refresh can mean many things to many people so it's pretty subjective.

 

[crisium]

According to some users, the RX 570 is actually not the first rebrand of the RX 470. It's actually the 3rd rebrand!

RX 470 was originally available in 6.6Gbps (aka 1650MHz, aka ~211 GB/s). Go check out reviews from NDA expiring. August 4th last year. 6.6 is what was available.

Then AMD rebranded it to 7Gbps! And they also rebranded it to 8Gbps!

6.6: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABVR56P3628
7.0: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150777
8.0: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202226&Tpk=N82E16814202226

That'll be 4 versions (3 rebrands) in less than a year once the 570 launches soon. 7850 rebrand record beaten already, and in less then a year!!

Or, you know, they later allow AIBs to use higher memory speeds that still exist alongside the newer ones (8Gbps 1060 will still be sold) and there's no rebranding (besides 500 name) at all. Hopefully AMD rebrands offers 9Gbps for some 500 series too.

 

[Bacon1]

https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-radeon-rx-580-570-nitro-and-pulse-unveiled

Amazing they can have so many leaks, yet no details...

These show as Polaris 20 XTX 580 and Polaris 20 XL for 570

 

[ElFenix]

legit question: would you guys like a branding/marketing shenanigans thread of beating our heads against the wall so we can leave threads like this to more solid rumors? i'm envisaging something where you we can discuss AMD's change of the hundreds digit without bumping down the tens digit, nvidia's sale of x70 level chips as x80 chips (leaving the real x80 to be named titan something or 80ti something), whatever AMD did with the 78xx chips through 6 rebrands, and whether the 1060 3gb is a 1060 or not, all in one happy location where everyone can get dumber for having participated (me included).

i guess what i want is fewer threads that go down the rabbit hole, as it were.

 

[DarthKyrie]

legit question: would you guys like a branding/marketing shenanigans thread of beating our heads against the wall so we can leave threads like this to more solid rumors? i'm envisaging something where you we can discuss AMD's change of the hundreds digit without bumping down the tens digit, nvidia's sale of x70 level chips as x80 chips (leaving the real x80 to be named titan something or 80ti something), whatever AMD did with the 78xx chips through 6 rebrands, and whether the 1060 3gb is a 1060 or not, all in one happy location where everyone can get dumber for having participated (me included).

i guess what i want is fewer threads that go down the rabbit hole, as it were.

ElFenix, we all know it won't matter if you start up a new subsection, every thread eventually devolves into the same bs.

 

[Mopetar]

ElFenix, we all know it won't matter if you start up a new subsection, every thread eventually devolves into the same bs.

This is the fate of all rumor threads as leaks and rumors are few and far between and a thread will eventually slip into simple pedantry or asinine arguments.

At best you could create a graveyard thread and just move such posts to it while publicly shaming all involved. Probably better to just leave it alone as new leaks and rumors will typically immediately re-rail the thread until that discussion inevitably goes stale as well. Otherwise a new thread invariably opens when there's a fresh rumor and goes through the same cycle of life and death.

 

[JDG1980]

So, to give some idea of how much performance gain can be expected from a respin, I thought it might be a good idea to look back to AMD's first 28nm chip: Tahiti.

The original 7970 had a default clock speed of 925 MHz, and TPU's sample could overclock to 1075 MHz. The 7970 GHz Edition, released about 7 months later, had a default clock speed of 1000 MHz and a maximum overclock of 1185 MHz. This is a ~8% increase in stock clocks and a ~10% increase in maximum stable overclock.

Now, the 7970 GHz Edition wasn't an actual respin. It was just better binning, a more mature process, and a BIOS with boost-clock support. That means that even if "Polaris 20" is pure marketing, we should see stock boost clocks go up from 1266 MHz to somewhere between 1350 and 1400 MHz (8-10% increase). There are AIB RX 480s that can do this already. But the 7970 GHz Edition also used substantially more power than the stock 7970 - there was no free lunch. A true respin could potentially break that deadlock, offering 1400-1450 MHz boost clocks at a power budget potentially not far above the RX 480's original 150W. But this is an optimistic scenario. My median expectation would be something like a 1400 MHz default boost clock at 175W TDP (thus the 8-pin connector instead of 6-pin on the new cards).

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Paul's Hardware guy, idk his name, told everyone on stream he was getting the Powercolor Golden 580.

https://clips.twitch.tv/JazzySuspiciousWrenShazBotstix

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HIS Radeon RX 570 IceQ X2 in Vietnam

Polaris 20 with 2048 stream processors (or something else) clocked at 1244 MHz

 

[IEC]

Launching next week...

 

[unseenmorbidity]

AMD RX 500 Series - April 18th (Tech Specs Inside!)



Assuming these are reference Boost clocks, then that is only a 6% gain. That would still mean 1500MHz OC's would be likely, but that isn't particularly amazing.

 

[Bouowmx]

A reason why AMD Radeon RX 560 is still not using full 1024 shaders? I guess salvaged dies have to go somewhere. But then, mods to enable all shaders on 460.

 

[SpaceBeer]

Nothing to see here

We know full P11/21 goes to Radeon Pro 460 (Mac) and Radeon Pro WX 4100. But I suppose those are not sold in large quantities. I really hoped for 16CU Polaris with boost clocks at ~1350MHz (at least for some custom models).

 

[railven]

So, to give some idea of how much performance gain can be expected from a respin, I thought it might be a good idea to look back to AMD's first 28nm chip: Tahiti.

The original 7970 had a default clock speed of 925 MHz, and TPU's sample could overclock to 1075 MHz. The 7970 GHz Edition, released about 7 months later, had a default clock speed of 1000 MHz and a maximum overclock of 1185 MHz. This is a ~8% increase in stock clocks and a ~10% increase in maximum stable overclock.

Now, the 7970 GHz Edition wasn't an actual respin. It was just better binning, a more mature process, and a BIOS with boost-clock support. That means that even if "Polaris 20" is pure marketing, we should see stock boost clocks go up from 1266 MHz to somewhere between 1350 and 1400 MHz (8-10% increase). There are AIB RX 480s that can do this already. But the 7970 GHz Edition also used substantially more power than the stock 7970 - there was no free lunch. A true respin could potentially break that deadlock, offering 1400-1450 MHz boost clocks at a power budget potentially not far above the RX 480's original 150W. But this is an optimistic scenario. My median expectation would be something like a 1400 MHz default boost clock at 175W TDP (thus the 8-pin connector instead of 6-pin on the new cards).

I feel like this is the not the best example. My launch 7970 hit 1125mhz on stock voltage without issue. I believe it was widely accepted that AMD didn't want to put the original 7970 in the "power hog" category as it outperformed everything on the market without needing to eat too much and thus exhaust too much.

My 7970 was better than a lot of the Ghz models, at that point I felt more AMD was just trying to counter the GTX 680 since they already had a card capable of beating it - they were just too modest on the original clocks.

I'd look more at 290X to 390X in regards to what AMD can do with a little more time and resources on a mature process.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Confirmed release on the 18th of April.

https://videocardz.com/newz/powercolor-confirms-radeon-rx-580-launch-date

 

[DooKey]

Confirmed release of the 18th of April.

https://videocardz.com/newz/powercolor-confirms-radeon-rx-580-launch-date

Let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor.........................

 

[ElFenix]

ElFenix, we all know it won't matter if you start up a new subsection, every thread eventually devolves into the same bs.

oh i don't want a new subsection, i just want to limit the number of threads (not in a hard limit way) where people just start going off into the weeds by providing a specific outlet for discussing dandelions, so to speak.