Polaris Refresh (RX 500 Series) Rumors

[SPBHM]

the only interesting one is the 560,

 

[spat55]

Why does AMD do this? I want something that is on par with the 1080ti I invested in a Freesync monitor and can't even use one of it's features!

 

[w3rd]

https://videocardz.com/67841/sapphire-radeon-rx-500-series-also-listed-online

It appears that RX 500 series actually will cost more than RX 480 series, when they launched, or at the same price level.

So this claim of you went to toilet. Lets wait for your other claims from other threads.

Cmon, new cards will always be higher upon release. The 580 will be selling at 480 prices this shopping season. When nVidia has nothing to sell... Unless nVidia dumps the 1070 for under $250..

I expect the 580 to compete quite well at the low end of the market in FPS games like Battlefield & Doom, under Vulkan. And being more cost/performance competitive as newer dx12 titles are being marketed.

The respin of Polaris is still cheaper than Pascal. So how low in price can nVidia go? AMD is setting up for a price war. And AMD is using the respin to shore up wafer yields, so they are ready when they drop the bottom out of the market this fall.

My thinking is.. Why would someone buy a stand alone 1070 @ $350, when for a little more you can get an Xbox Scorpio..? And have the same performance.

Wierd, that not a one of you see a massive price war coming. We will see Radeon 580's at current 480 discounted values, this season. And Gaming monitor sales is what will push each end of the market. And FreeSync has more open space than G-sync.

That is how I see it all playing out. But who knows, maybe nVidia will respond drastically & drop the 1080 to $299 and sell them like hot cakes (ie: 8800GT).

 

[Head1985]

Nv dont need do anything.They already have GTX1060 out and thats enough for rx580...

Btw 1500mhz is good clock.Its finaly at maxwell level and it should have same performance as GTX980 1500Mhz.Maxwell GTX980/970 is still faster after oc to 1500mhz than max oc rx 480/470 so rx 570/580 should close the gap.Lilttle late tho...
On other hand pascal have zero oc headroom and GTX1060 max oc is slower than GTX980 1500Mhz so rx580 might be faster max oc vs max oc vs GTX1060 atleast.

Still i dont get why they didnt add 9Ghz memory..After oc to 10Ghz rx580 at 1500/10000 would be beast.AMD cant do anything perfect.Always there is huge mistake.

 

[piesquared]

That's a pretty good increase for the RX 580 just from increasing the mem bandwidth by 121 MHz.

 

[tential]

Why does AMD do this? I want something that is on par with the 1080ti I invested in a Freesync monitor and can't even use one of it's features!

I've been waiting for over a year now. This sucks I know how you feel.

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[raghu78]

Its disappointing to see that AMD could not equip Rx 580 with 9 Gbps GDDR5 or 10 Gbps GDDR5X. Polaris benefits significantly from bandwidth increase and we saw Rx 480 gain 6% avg with 9 Gbps memory even when clocked at 1266 Mhz core clocks.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-06/radeon-rx-480-test/12/

The extra bandwidth would have really allowed Rx 580 to scale performance better at higher clocks like the 1340 Mhz stock speeds or the 1500 Mhz max OC. AMD seem to have been restricted by GDDR5 9 Gbps supply constraints and Nvidia seems to have been able to get whatever was available of GDDR5 9 Gbps production. GDDR5X might have been too costly for the price points Rx 580 is intended at. AMD needs to push pricing aggressively with Rx 570 4GB at USD 149, Rx 580 4GB at USD 199 and Rx 580 8GB at USD 240. We should see Rx 580 OC models in the USD 250-USD 260 range.

 

[DarthKyrie]

I guess I am the only 1 that understands that AMD has a 256-bit bus on the 570/580 vs a 192-bit bus on the GTX1060. 8 Gbps on a 256-bit bus is faster than 9 Gbps on a 192-bit bus.

 

[Head1985]

But they have far worse delta color compression

 

[Arachnotronic]

Still i dont get why they didnt add 9Ghz memory..After oc to 10Ghz rx580 at 1500/10000 would be beast.AMD cant do anything perfect.Always there is huge mistake.

Cost. 9Gbps memory is not exactly easy to get ahold of and will increase costs. Would customers pay extra for 9Gbps GDDR5 versions of RX 480? Probably not, considering that people who buy AMD tend to be looking for good values.

 

[Head1985]

I dont think so..People paid for ATI 4890 and it was huge success.4890 was oc 4870 with faster ram and better oc.
And 9Ghz cant cost that much more if nv using them on low end GTX1060(yes gtx1060 is low end now)

 

[beginner99]

Unless I'm missing something, is there something else the 580 will deliver that the 480 doesn't have?

Same thing as every year. The 480 doesn't have a new name and OEM love new names.

 

[JDG1980]

But they have far worse delta color compression

That's not why. Nvidia cards since Maxwell 1st generation have had tiled rendering, which substantially decreases memory bandwidth requirements. No currently shipping AMD product supports this feature yet, but Vega will.

If Polaris 10 can do 1500 MHz now, that's a good sign. A lot of people were questioning whether Vega was going to be able to hit that clock speed, and Vega is a substantially improved design which AMD says is specifically engineered for higher clocks. What I would like to know is what kind of power consumption P10 is pulling at that speed - are we talking exponential increases and 200W+ of power consumption, or is it within a normal range?

 

[Glo.]

Cmon, new cards will always be higher upon release. The 580 will be selling at 480 prices this shopping season. When nVidia has nothing to sell... Unless nVidia dumps the 1070 for under $250..

I expect the 580 to compete quite well at the low end of the market in FPS games like Battlefield & Doom, under Vulkan. And being more cost/performance competitive as newer dx12 titles are being marketed.

The respin of Polaris is still cheaper than Pascal. So how low in price can nVidia go? AMD is setting up for a price war. And AMD is using the respin to shore up wafer yields, so they are ready when they drop the bottom out of the market this fall.

My thinking is.. Why would someone buy a stand alone 1070 @ $350, when for a little more you can get an Xbox Scorpio..? And have the same performance.

Wierd, that not a one of you see a massive price war coming. We will see Radeon 580's at current 480 discounted values, this season. And Gaming monitor sales is what will push each end of the market. And FreeSync has more open space than G-sync.

That is how I see it all playing out. But who knows, maybe nVidia will respond drastically & drop the 1080 to $299 and sell them like hot cakes (ie: 8800GT).

You have to be soft in your head to say that RX 580 will compete with GTX 1070. The difference in performance is too big for DX11 games to higher core clock on RX 580 mitigate the difference. In Doom(Vulkan) it can be close, but still will not be better option than GTX 1070.

 

[Mopetar]

If Polaris 10 can do 1500 MHz now, that's a good sign. A lot of people were questioning whether Vega was going to be able to hit that clock speed, and Vega is a substantially improved design which AMD says is specifically engineered for higher clocks. What I would like to know is what kind of power consumption P10 is pulling at that speed - are we talking exponential increases and 200W+ of power consumption, or is it within a normal range?

Well they do supposedly have an 8-pin power connector now, so I'm guessing that it takes at least 150W to get it to 1500 MHz. We also don't know if that's the limit or if there's even more headroom beyond that point for cards that are capable. AMD could have played more conservatively this time and ship cards have reduced power consumption at the stock settings but more headroom for overclocking. That's somewhat presumptuous though.

I'd like to see a version (maybe one that's third party only) that pushes the clocks beyond 1.5 GHz and has some faster VRAM that's likely necessary when clocking ~20% above the 480 baseline to avoid bottlenecks. Who cares if it eats a lot of power if it can slot in at the $300 range which is pretty empty right now. It really depends on how representative that 1.5 GHz overclock from the leak is.

 

[Det0x]

Well they do supposedly have an 8-pin power connector now, so I'm guessing that it takes at least 150W to get it to 1500 MHz. We also don't know if that's the limit or if there's even more headroom beyond that point for cards that are capable. AMD could have played more conservatively this time and ship cards have reduced power consumption at the stock settings but more headroom for overclocking. That's somewhat presumptuous though.

Seems to be exactly whats AMD is doing.

The chip itself will be clocked at 1340 MHz boost to deliver 6.17 TFLOPs of compute performance.

RX 480's boost speed is 1266 mhz, while the RX 580 boosts to 1340 mhz at stock.
This will probably mean lower power consumption at stock, while providing a higher limit for max overclock.

 

[Ansau]

I dont think so..People paid for ATI 4890 and it was huge success.4890 was oc 4870 with faster ram and better oc.
And 9Ghz cant cost that much more if nv using them on low end GTX1060(yes gtx1060 is low end now)

LOL so now low end range is priced at +250$/+300€? Good old Nvidia fooling people...

9Gbps is not coming to Polaris because AMD gpus have a harder time keeping up with such fast vram (historical behavior). Pascal can push 8Gbps to 2300MHz (9.2Gbps) easily and some even higher, but it is hard for a lot of 480 to even reach 2200MHz (8.8Gbps).

 

[TeknoBug]

I dont think so..People paid for ATI 4890 and it was huge success.4890 was oc 4870 with faster ram and better oc.
And 9Ghz cant cost that much more if nv using them on low end GTX1060(yes gtx1060 is low end now)

1060 is low end? What is 1050/1050Ti then?

 

[crisium]

People, don't let early benchmark samples go to your head. Have realistic expectations. Remember RX 480 1500-1600MHz rumours a year ago from leaks? Remember 100W rumours from leaks?

I hope all 580s can hit 1500MHz and do so at a reasonable power consumption, but I do not expect such based on these leaks.

 

[Mopetar]

Seems to be exactly whats AMD is doing.

RX 480's boost speed is 1266 mhz, while the RX 580 boosts to 1340 mhz at stock.

This will probably mean lower power consumption at stock, while providing a higher limit for max overclock.

We don't know that for sure though as the 580 has an 8-pin power connector or an additional 75W to play around with. It's also possible that the 580 uses slightly more power than the 480 to achieve its baseline 1340 MHz, but just has substantially more room for an overclock. It's also possible that the 580 is able to hit that 1340 MHz for less power than the 480 needed for its baseline, but still doesn't have a whole lot of OC headroom and is just using the 8-pin connector so it doesn't have the same launch fiasco as the 480 which could overdraw from the PCI-E bus.

Betting on a 580 that uses less power for better baseline clock speeds while having substantially more overclock headroom is choosing the best case scenario at this point. It's certainly possible that is exactly what we get, but believing in it so heavily is really just setting yourself up for disappointment later when it just turns out that its a mix of both bad and good.

 

[nathanddrews]

If that 550 is priced under $75, I might have a to get a few to throw into some C2Q machines...

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Radeon RX 550 - 570 and 580 3DMark FireStrike Performance

Someone on reddit suggested the base clock was 1340, and the boost clock was 1425. Do you guys think it's actually possible that AMD squeezed out 12.5% more clock speed out of Polaris?

 

[Insomniator]

Tough to be excited about a 10-15% performance increase a year later. These cards should be priced less than 480/470's. $300 for a highly overclocked polaris card? 1070's are down to $320 already in a different class of performance.

 

[CatMerc]

Cost. 9Gbps memory is not exactly easy to get ahold of and will increase costs. Would customers pay extra for 9Gbps GDDR5 versions of RX 480? Probably not, considering that people who buy AMD tend to be looking for good values.

NVIDIA will be using 9Gbps chips with the GTX 1060. They really can't cost that much more.

Radeon RX 550 - 570 and 580 3DMark FireStrike Performance

Someone on reddit suggested the base clock was 1340, and the boost clock was 1425. Do you guys think it's actually possible that AMD squeezed out 12.5% more clock speed out of Polaris?

Possible. The process has matured, with later produced Polaris cards having consistently higher overclocking margins than their launch counterparts, and AMD has apparently created a revision dubbed Polaris 10 XT2.

I wouldn't hold my breath, but it's possible.

 

[EXCellR8]

looks like I'll just hang on to the 480 until something else arrives