We already know Polaris is a terrible miner card due to low compute performance.
http://cryptomining-*********/tag/rx-480-hashrate/
Note something? Yep, lack of memory bandwidth is making it hard for both.
Kraatus77 -
You need to educate yourself a bit better on the history of CUDA/Premiere Pro/Adobe in general and maybe perhaps read my entire OP. CUDA is very relevant to this topic, my topic, as Premiere Pro is heavily accelerated by CUDA. You're just stating AMD cards are better because of OCL 2.0, you're missing the point entirely. Also, this has nothing to do with Mining. General compute performance does not translate/scale perfectly across the board for every app, especially when Premiere is as heavily tuned for CUDA as it is.
By no means I am saying you're wrong, but just to dismiss something based on not having the newest spec is silly. We all have the proof and results in front of us from Linus's video but he only used 3 examples/benchmarks and they were all exporting/encoding. Most of the speedup benefit you get is not having to pre-render everything and having a fluid and smooth scrolling timeline playback while you're applying multiple effects. I don't think these are things you can easily benchmark.
I think Linus's tests were a very limited sample of what you actually do within Adobe Premiere, which is more than just exporting. Most of the higher end visual effects are 32bit and cuda accelerated, which he completely ignores in this video. I was hoping to get more insight beyond what's out there.
ShintaiDK said:RX 480 and 1070 got the same TDP
For that you need to connect the dots and make an educated guess, or better just wait for launch/reviews. but i have a strong feeling it will be pretty much same.I will repeat what I already said.
Exporting videos =/= Video Editing. You can't sum up performance of an app by benchmarking one of its 1,000s of features.
The main benefit of hardware accelerated video in the case of Premiere Pro is "real-time editing" - Something that Linus didn't benchmark. The Puget Systems 1070/1080 shows this benchmark but not compared to any AMD cards.
I will repeat what I already said.
Exporting videos =/= Video Editing. You can't sum up performance of an app by benchmarking one of its 1,000s of features.
The main benefit of hardware accelerated video in the case of Premiere Pro is "real-time editing" - Something that Linus didn't benchmark. The Puget Systems 1070/1080 article briefly touches on this with Render Previews but not compared to any AMD cards.
ShintaiDK said:We already know Polaris is a terrible miner card due to low compute performance.
Actually under-clocked Fury Nanos are better, but that's because of the efficiency of HBM memory. You can get them to use just 90watts, and the wide memory bus really helps the mining. Which really makes them hard to beat when it comes to MegasHashes/watt.100W for 24MHS? That would be the best miner card by far!
You have a very strange view about what is a terrible miner card...like declaring the best terrible.
If i am getting 24MHS for 100W, i am going to buy 4 of these "terrible" miner cards for mining...
Actually under-clocked Fury Nanos are better, but that's because of the efficiency of HBM memory. You can get them to use just 90watts, and the wide memory bus really helps the mining. Which really makes them hard to beat when it comes to MegasHashes/watt.
I don't have one, I just remember reading about it, I think it's about the same ~25mh/sThats interesting because i currently have Nanos running and i get them nowhere close to 90W with undervolting. How much MHS are you expecting from a Nano/FuryX assuming you get them down to 90W?
I don't have one, I just remember reading about it, I think it's about the same ~25mh/s
Mac's are on AMD now and that's Adobe bread and butter. The industry is moving away from proprietary, get with the program.
For that you need to connect the dots and make an educated guess, or better just wait for launch/reviews. but i have a strong feeling it will be pretty much same.
And the Puget review showed that the new cards aren't better than the old ones really, and Linus's video showed that old cards are comparable to new ones, so why spend a lot of money on new pascal card? Why not go with older 960/970 and see how those compare to 1070?
http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2014/04/26/opencl-vs-cuda-adobe-premiere-cc-rendering-test/
He says that opencl and cuda are the same, do you have any sources that show CUDA is superior?
That was the whole point of this thread. Since the Mercury Playback Engine came out in Premiere, Adobe's official word has been to go with Nvidia cards because of CUDA performance. When OpenCL support was added a few years later, nothing changed. Adobe people, people in community, professionals all said the same thing. Get cuda. But I guess OpenCL support has dramatically improved since it first came out because there were early tests showing it lagging behind CUDA but I can't find them.
Like I said in my OP, it just seems to be what everyone says when in fact I too would like some hard proof. Linus's video was nice but definitely doesn't give the whole picture. I was hoping someone with a deeper knowledge of the subject could chime in.
As far as spending money on an older card, I don't buy old tech. I'm building a brand system from scratch and tend to make them last 4-5 years minimum. A 1070 would be a little bit more future proof than a RX480 as far as Im concerned. And if I want to game, it'd be nice to play them without compromising.
I would wait and see. The Pascal cards are unstable with Premiere Pro right now, especially RED media in unusable with constant black frames. In terms of performance, anything R9 290 to 980 Ti pretty much offered the same performance. Heck, even R9 380 was close enough. It is only with very heavy, high effects 4K+ footage that we saw some variation, and in which case Fury X was the top card. Otherwise, CPU and I/O are the most common bottlenecks - not GPU.
I'm willing to bet RX 480 ends up offering pretty much the same experience as 1070. Drivers could be the deciding factor, which is why I recommend wait. Of course, go for the 8 GB variant - will come in handy if you are doing 4K work.
As far as spending money on an older card, I don't buy old tech. I'm building a brand system from scratch and tend to make them last 4-5 years minimum. A 1070 would be a little bit more future proof than a RX480 as far as Im concerned. And if I want to game, it'd be nice to play them without compromising.
Getting to the point I was pretty set on getting a 1070 for the price/performance and amount of cuda cores and vram. But since I saw Linus's video, I'm starting to wonder if a RX 480 for $200ish less would be a better buy?
I'm not a heavy gamer. Thoughts?
It appears Apple is the reason why OpenCL support is in better shape now than it used to be.Yea, no. Apple has nothing to do with this. Especially when they flipflop GPU brands every other generation. As someone who is in this industry, I can tell you Apple systems are in the minority.
That was the whole point of this thread. Since the Mercury Playback Engine came out in Premiere, Adobe's official word has been to go with Nvidia cards because of CUDA performance. When OpenCL support was added a few years later, nothing changed. Adobe people, people in community, professionals all said the same thing. Get cuda. But I guess OpenCL support has dramatically improved since it first came out because there were early tests showing it lagging behind CUDA but I can't find them.
Like I said in my OP, it just seems to be what everyone says when in fact I too would like some hard proof. Linus's video was nice but definitely doesn't give the whole picture. I was hoping someone with a deeper knowledge of the subject could chime in.
As far as spending money on an older card, I don't buy old tech. I'm building a brand system from scratch and tend to make them last 4-5 years minimum. A 1070 would be a little bit more future proof than a RX480 as far as Im concerned. And if I want to game, it'd be nice to play them without compromising.
Offtopic but might be useful for the OP:Anyway, thanks for the great insight. That's something to think about. My target was to build a new rig before the free Windows 10 expires at the end of July, so maybe in about 4 weeks.
480 is the better choice vs any Pascal card.
Apple is a major supporter of open standards?!? How do you come up with this stuff? Even rocks know Apple is killing OpenCL in favor of compute on Metal and they are transitioning away from pretty much any open standard to their own APIs for gfx and compute. Bye bye OpenGL, OpenCL, etc.