POLE: Do you think addiction is a disease or a choice?

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Ilmater

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First learn to spell "poll." You're an idiot.

As for addiction, it's a disease... AND it's a choice. Everyone's body chemistry predisposes them to be susceptible or not susceptible to addiction, but taking that first drink and continuing to drink is a choice, and no matter how much your body tells you otherwise, there's always a chance that you can break that. I think there are only a few relatively rare instances where their body chemistry is such that there is really no choice in the matter once they take that first hit/drag/drink/whatever.

For instance, growing up, me and two of my friends were very close. We all smoked and tried to quit. Two of us quit, but one of us never could. He tried continuously over the course of a few years, but couldn't. He smoked the same amount as my other friend (to be fair, I never smoked that much to begin with) - even smoked the same kind of cigarette - and we all had each other to help get us to quit, but he absolutely was incapable of it. After he got cancer, he started drinking and became addicted to that too. I know you're saying, "Well, if I got cancer and thought my life might end, I might start drinking and never stop too," but you have to realize that he drank enough to kill his liver in roughly three years - from 23 - 26. Do you know how hard it is to kill your liver in 3 years from drinking? It's not easy. I know guys that go until they're in their late 40's or even longer while drinking basically every day of their lives. You have to spend nearly every day drunk to do that.

I've never been like that. I've drank profusely when I was in college (like everyone else), but I don't drink much any more (at 26). I smoked as much as a pack a day for three months straight, and I almost never smoke now (only if I'm really drunk AND someone offers me a cigarette; I don't ask for them). More than those two, I smoked quite a bit of pot for a few semesters of college straight. I didn't smoke as much as some of my friends (4 - 7 a day for them, 1 - 2 for me), but I still smoked quite a bit. My last semester of college I decided to hunker down and get good grades, so I rarely smoked (maybe once every two weeks), and after college I quit entirely. Then I was with a girl for a year (last year) that smoked at least once a day, and I smoked with her. We're not together any more, and I no longer have a desire for it.
 

Amused

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Susceptibility is irrelevant. Genetics are irrelevant.

Addiction is a choice.

I know, I am a former cocaine and tobacco addict.

If you are genetically more likely to burn in the sun, and you get a sunburn while laying out at the beach, is that sunburn a disease, or a choice?

Addiction requires action. Actions are chosen.
 

IGBT

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...for many it starts out as choice but ends up a disease due to genetics and personality..and there is a point of no return and early death is the end result..talk to anybody in the rehab/drug testing biz.most clients fail rehab and return to addiction.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: IGBT
...for many it starts out as choice but ends up a disease due to genetics and personality..and there is a point of no return and early death is the end result..talk to anybody in the rehab/drug testing biz.most clients fail rehab and return to addiction.

And failure rates are getting no better the more we treat it as a disease rather than a choice.

I posit that the failure rates are so high BECAUSE we treat it as a disease rather than a choice. Treating it as a disease sets people up to fail. It VALIDATES their excuses of "I can't help it" and "it's not my fault."
 

TitanDiddly

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It's mental. Anyone can beat it- it's not a medical condition; it's all in your head. It's just so hard to beat that people want to beleive it's not their fault.
 

Patt

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
First learn to spell "poll." You're an idiot.

As for addiction, it's a disease... AND it's a choice. Everyone's body chemistry predisposes them to be susceptible or not susceptible to addiction, but taking that first drink and continuing to drink is a choice, and no matter how much your body tells you otherwise, there's always a chance that you can break that. I think there are only a few relatively rare instances where their body chemistry is such that there is really no choice in the matter once they take that first hit/drag/drink/whatever.

For instance, growing up, me and two of my friends were very close. We all smoked and tried to quit. Two of us quit, but one of us never could. He tried continuously over the course of a few years, but couldn't. He smoked the same amount as my other friend (to be fair, I never smoked that much to begin with) - even smoked the same kind of cigarette - and we all had each other to help get us to quit, but he absolutely was incapable of it. After he got cancer, he started drinking and became addicted to that too. I know you're saying, "Well, if I got cancer and thought my life might end, I might start drinking and never stop too," but you have to realize that he drank enough to kill his liver in roughly three years - from 23 - 26. Do you know how hard it is to kill your liver in 3 years from drinking? It's not easy. I know guys that go until they're in their late 40's or even longer while drinking basically every day of their lives. You have to spend nearly every day drunk to do that.

I've never been like that. I've drank profusely when I was in college (like everyone else), but I don't drink much any more (at 26). I smoked as much as a pack a day for three months straight, and I almost never smoke now (only if I'm really drunk AND someone offers me a cigarette; I don't ask for them). More than those two, I smoked quite a bit of pot for a few semesters of college straight. I didn't smoke as much as some of my friends (4 - 7 a day for them, 1 - 2 for me), but I still smoked quite a bit. My last semester of college I decided to hunker down and get good grades, so I rarely smoked (maybe once every two weeks), and after college I quit entirely. Then I was with a girl for a year (last year) that smoked at least once a day, and I smoked with her. We're not together any more, and I no longer have a desire for it.

The OP is the idiot because he can't spell? You smoked every day just because your gf did? That meets my description of an idiot ... :frown:
 
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i think u chose to start it, but then it becomes a disease...its becomes a mental disease

heroin...u chose to take it, and then u chose to take it a few more times, but then u become dependant on it, and it becomes your life and then u become obsessed and will do anything to get some, it becomes a mental affliction its a disease then, because u have no option to stop it
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think u chose to start it, but then it becomes a disease...its becomes a mental disease

heroin...u chose to take it, and then u chose to take it a few more times, but then u become dependant on it, and it becomes your life and then u become obsessed and will do anything to get some, it becomes a mental affliction its a disease then, because u have no option to stop it


This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. This "disease" bullsh!t sets people up to fail.

You DO have an option to stop and it rests entirely on YOU. MILLIONS have beat addictions and have done so one way, and one way only: By CHOICE.

 

Gurck

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Your addiction to pole is neither a disease (nothing wrong with it) nor a choice (research is pointing more & more to us being born with our sexual preference).
 
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