POLE: Dream Theater vs Tool

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Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Btw they're still one of the greatest bands of alltime, especially when you consider how bad most music has gotten the past decade or two.

Music has certainly gone downhill in the past twenty years, but it's not like Tool is in any way removed from that.

For Chrissakes, they're mainstream rock from the 90s and they didn't/don't even have the common deceny to try and throw some variance of sound in there like the Smashing Pumpkins did.

I mean, sure, they weren't as bad as the early-mid 90s grunge pump where every band sounded like Pearl Jam for 3 years before Nirvana ruined the party by "reinventing" (the f*&% ?) pop punk, or the current nu-metal epidemic that's been plaguing the American music scene for the past 4 years, but it's not like they're revolutionary or special in any sense of the word. Taking grunge riffs and adding a hint of industrialism and, every now and again, a xylophone, does not make you an artist.

It's well produced and well packaged, complete with generic weird imagery that makes angsty adolescent high schoolers feel really tuned in because it matches their all Hot Topic wardrobe. I mean, the eyes are the pathway to the *soul*....or something.

If some of you out there are silly enough to mistake "purposefully cyptic" with "artful", then I'm just going to keep on chuckling while you keep shelling out dollars.

Hell, if you ever listened to A Perfect Circle, it becomes almost impossible to deny the fact that it's as cookie cutter as any of its sibling rock - the music is damn near the same, excepting the fact that APC cleans up the distortion a little bit more in post production.

Wow.

It's like a whole new band.

Like I said, I have no problem with either band. I've I-tuned many Tool tracks, and I even bought Mer De Noms off the shelf back when it was first released. It's rather enjoyable as mainstream, heavy pop, but don't take it as anything more than that or you're deluding yourself.

But, you know, don't tell that to every 14 - 18 year old skater punk and goth in America. They'd be crushed.



 

Gurck

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Lol, I can't believe someone who gives somethingawful credence is putting down the teen angst crowd
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: Gurck
How much of them have you heard?
A few years ago, enough to find out that I couldn't/can't stand them. If you'd be willing to suggest something of theirs that you consider to be one of their musically better songs, I'd be willing to give it another listen, to see if my opinion might change.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Originally posted by: Gurck
How much of them have you heard?
A few years ago, enough to find out that I couldn't/can't stand them. If you'd be willing to suggest something of theirs that you consider to be one of their musically better songs, I'd be willing to give it another listen, to see if my opinion might change.
Hard to say without knowing what specifically you didn't like, their sound has changed a lot with each album.
 

Brule

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Originally posted by: ProviaFan
FYI, DT's When Dream and Day Unite came out in 1989...

Regardless of what you think about the supposed hidden philosophical nature of Tool's lyrics, I don't see how you find them so much more musically talented than Dream Theater. Maybe I just somehow managed to hear a few of Tool's least complex songs, but I'm not getting it.

I was never into Tool until I listened to a few more of their songs than what was commonly played. (A Perfect Circle was another gateway) They're simply great at every single position in the band from MJK's vocals to incredible drum work. (intro to Lateralus for example)

Tool is one of the few bands that can produce goosebumps in the same vein as Pink Floyd. (my fav) DT seems okay (from a rather limited experience, will check them out more) and I enjoy Rush but not nearly to the same level.
 

Brute

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Tough comparison since they are so different. That's the beauty of prog. I really liked DT's last album, Train of Thought. It was considerably heavier than their previous albums. Unfortunately, the band took a lot of crap from long-time fans so the new album is gonna be more keyboard-heavy.

Being a drummer, I pick Danny Carey over Portnoy. That hyperactive squirt needs to take some Ritalin. He overplays and RUINS songs. Listen to the end of Osmosis by Liquid Tension Experiment and you'll know what I mean. Carey is an interesting and innovative drummer who knows not to overplay.

Petrucci would be a god if DT came along 10 years earlier. Sadly, they came on in the 1990s, when guitar solos became an obscenity as talentless guitarists convinced people that less is more and guitar solos were nothing but indulgence. Of course they are, but it gives the guitarist a chance to shine.

Now, a question: have any of you heard of Porcupine Tree?
 

Excelsior

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And yeah, Labrie (sadly), turns off so many people to DT. I wonder what their fanbase would be like with a different singer.
 

jalaram

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I liked DT back when I was into anything that resembled prog rock. Now that I'm not such a fan boi, I can't stand the little I have of their stuff. Everything is IMHO overplayed and I can't stand the singer. It's almost like they're the worst stereotype of a prog rock band.

I still like Tool (and APC) quite a lot, but I haven't listened to all their stuff to see how repetitive they are.

I do, however, agree that their styles are too different to be compared directly.
 

jalaram

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Also, the poll is unfair because way more people will have heard of Tool than DT and will vote based on that fact alone.
 

jalaram

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Originally posted by: sp80
If you seriously think Tool is better than the almighty Dream Theater... please throw yourself off the nearest tall building immediately

You dont deserve to live

TOOL BLOWS! (Schizm is only good song, and its just avg.)

Yeah? Well, my favorite band can beat up your favorite band. So there.

:roll:
 

Excelsior

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I almost know just how you feel jalaram. I used to listen to DT all the time..and mostly just DT...that was maybe 3 1/2 years ago. I guess you could say I was a recovering DT addict at one point. Now...I pretty much never listen to them.
 

thujone

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just because everyone in a band can do crazy insane solo's at the drop of a dime doesn't make them good or interesting.

it's the same reason i don't like phish.

as everyone else said... it comes across as everything being overplayed.

i can appreciate the musicianship... but... they lose points as far as drive/feeling and originality.

this can be applied to both DT and Phish and probably a million other jam and prog rock bands.

I feel like tool is a decent balance between overplaying and simplicity. i will concede sometimes they can get carried away live... but seriously... if you don't get tool at all. or think it's all uninspired crap. read up on some of the influences behind it. read up on jungian psychology. listen to some bill hicks. go be miserable in LA for a while lol

like others have said though... i think this is too wide of a gap. they're two COMPLETELY different bands with 2 COMPLETELY different audiences.
 

revnja

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Dream Theater kicks so much ass, it's not even funny. I'm going to have to go with DT on this one.
 

TheShiz

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i gotta go with tool because all of DT's albums sound like garbage to me except for

Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory

which is an amazing piece of work.

but i need to listen to some of their newer stuff to make a fair comparison. but pre metropolis pt 2 dream theater sounds too 80s garbage hair band nonsense to me.
 

OdiN

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Originally posted by: cjgallen
Dream Theater BY FAR

Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory, 'nuf said.

Tool's songs are long and drawn out, but not complex by any means. Dream Theater's songs are long, but have much more substance IMO.

And Tool Guitar Solos versus Dream Theater Guitar Solos? No contest. (doesn't Tool even have solos?).

QFT

DT is so much better than Tool.
 

imported_ArtVandalay

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Originally posted by: TheShiz
i gotta go with tool because all of DT's albums sound like garbage to me except for

Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory

which is an amazing piece of work.

but i need to listen to some of their newer stuff to make a fair comparison. but pre metropolis pt 2 dream theater sounds too 80s garbage hair band nonsense to me.

From what I've heard of them, Train of Thought is probably my favorite CD (though granted I haven't heard much). Some songs they sound really great, but in others they just lose me. Their guitarist is indeed extraordinarily talented. My least favorite thing about them is the singer. While he does have a good voice, it just doesn't fit with the band, imo. Gives me a mental image of an 80s hair band. Their cover of the Master of Puppets CD is pretty cool. Again, while I like them & think they're quite talented - also part of a very exclusive club of rock/metal musicians who've made something other than total crap sine 1990 - Tool still gets my vote.
 
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