Police and protesters clash in Hong Kong

calyco

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Brave protesters, I saw police shoot a couple smoke grenades into the crowd. They scattered for 5 seconds, then ran back and tried to cover it up with clothing and umbrellas.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/28/us-hongkong-china-idUSKCN0HN03Q20140928

(Reuters) - Hong Kong police fired volleys of tear gas to disperse pro-democracy protests on Sunday and baton-charged a crowd blocking a key road in the government district in defiance of official warnings against illegal demonstrations.

Chaos had engulfed the city's Admiralty district as chanting protesters converged on police barricades surrounding more demonstrators who had earlier launched a "new era" of civil disobedience to pressure Beijing into granting full democracy.

Police, in lines five deep in places and wearing helmets and gas masks, used pepper spray against activists and shot tear gas into the air. The crowds fled several hundred yards, scattering their umbrellas and hurling abuse at police "cowards".

The demonstrators regrouped and returned however, and by early evening tens of thousands of protesters were thronging streets, including outside the prominent Pacific Place shopping mall that leads towards the Central financial district.

"If today I don't stand out, I will hate myself in future," said taxi driver Edward Yeung, 55, as he swore at police on the frontline. "Even if I get a criminal record it will be a glorious one."

Hong Kong returned to Chinese rule in 1997 under a formula known as "one country, two systems" that guaranteed a high degree of autonomy and freedoms not enjoyed in mainland China. Universal suffrage was set as an eventual goal.

But Beijing last month rejected demands for people to freely choose the city's next leader, prompting threats from activists to shut down Central in what is being seen as the most tenacious civil disobedience action since Britain handed over its former colony.

China wants to limit elections to a handful of candidates loyal to Beijing.

LEADER PLEDGES "RESOLUTE" ACTION

Police in full riot equipment later fired repeated rounds of tear gas to clear some of the roads in Admiralty and pushed the crowds towards Central. Health authorities later said some 30 people needed treatment.

Police had not used tear gas in Hong Kong since breaking up protests by South Korean farmers against the World Trade Organization in 2005.

"We will fight until the end...we will never give up," said Peter Poon, a protester in his 20s, adding that they may have to make a temporary retreat through the night.

Hong Kong leader Leung Chun-ying had earlier pledged "resolute" action against the protest movement, known as Occupy Central with Love and Peace.

"The police are determined to handle the situation appropriately in accordance with the law," Leung said, less than two hours before the police charge began.

A spokesperson for China's Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office added that the central government fully supported Hong Kong's handling of the situation "in accordance with the law".

Communist Party leaders in Beijing are concerned about calls for democracy spreading to cities on the mainland, threatening their grip on power. Such dissent would never be tolerated on the mainland, where student protests in and around Beijing's Tiananmen Square calling for democracy were crushed with heavy loss of life on June 4, 1989.

On the mainland, the phrase "Occupy Central" was blocked on Sunday afternoon on Weibo, China's version of twitter. It had been allowed earlier in the day.

Later, a Hong Kong government statement urged the Occupy organizers to bring an end to the "chaos" for the overall interest of Hong Kong.

A tearful Occupy organizer Benny Tai said he was proud of people's determination to fight for "genuine" universal suffrage, but that the situation was getting out of control, RTHK reported. He said he believed he would face heavy punishment for initiating the movement.

Inside the cordon, thousands had huddled in plastic capes, masks and goggles as they braced for a fresh police attempt to clear the area before Hong Kong re-opens for business in the morning. The city's financial markets are expected to open as usual on Monday.

"WE WILL WIN WITH LOVE AND PEACE"

Publishing tycoon Jimmy Lai, a key backer of the democracy movement, said he wanted as big a crowd of protesters as possible, after a week of student demonstrations, to thwart any crackdown.

"The more Hong Kong citizens come, the more unlikely the police can clear up the place," said Lai, also wearing a plastic cape and workmen's protective glasses. "Even if we get beaten up, we cannot fight back. We will win this war with love and peace."

Pro-democracy Hong Kong lawmaker Lee Cheuk-yan said three fellow legislators were among a small group of activists detained by police, including democratic leaders Albert Ho and Emily Lau.

Organizers said as many as 80,000 people thronged the streets in Admiralty, galvanized by the arrests of student activists on Friday. No independent estimate of the crowd numbers was available.

A week of protests escalated into violence when student-led demonstrators broke through a cordon late on Friday and scaled a fence to invade the city's main government compound after a week of peaceful action. Police used pepper spray to disperse the crowd. The Hong Kong Federation of Students extended class boycotts indefinitely.

Police have so far arrested 78 people, including Joshua Wong, the 17-year-old leader of student group Scholarism, who was dragged away after he called on the protesters to charge the government premises.

Wong was released from police detention without charge on Sunday evening, the South China Morning Post reported. He told reporters that he planned to return to the protest site after resting.

His parents said in a statement the decision to detain him was an act of "political persecution".

Along with Hong Kong and Chinese officials, some of Hong Kong's most powerful tycoons have spoken out against the Occupy movement, warning it could threaten the city's business and economic stability.
 
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Moonbeam

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Notice how those who have won the competition to become rich don't want the system threatened. This is how the CBD will help to create the conditions that will require greater and greater radicalism to affect change. Thus, out of fear of loss they will help to burn their country down. They always see the 'Other' as the one who will pay the price.
 

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Notice how those who have won the competition to become rich don't want the system threatened. This is how the CBD will help to create the conditions that will require greater and greater radicalism to affect change. Thus, out of fear of loss they will help to burn their country down. They always see the 'Other' as the one who will pay the price.

So, in a nutshell, it's because the selfish democratic haves don't want the equally selfish communist have-nots telling them what to do.

And that was a whole lot less obtuse way of saying it. :hmm:
 

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Tank Man Lives!

"Hong Kong's future belongs to you, you and you
," Wong, a thin 17-year-old with dark-rimmed glasses and bowl-cut hair, told cheering supporters hours before he was taken away.

"I want to tell C.Y. Leung and Xi Jinping that the mission of fighting for universal suffrage does not rest upon the young people, it is everyone's responsibility," he shouted, referring to Hong Kong's and China's leaders.

"I don't want the fight for democracy to be passed down to the next generation. This is our responsibility,"

Student leader Joshua Wong was dragged away by police kicking, screaming and bleeding from his arm as protesters chanted and struggled to free him...

Respect for the Hong Kong Students from this old dog solider.

Uno
 

Moonbeam

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So, in a nutshell, it's because the selfish democratic haves don't want the equally selfish communist have-nots telling them what to do.

And that was a whole lot less obtuse way of saying it. :hmm:

Along with Hong Kong and Chinese officials, some of Hong Kong's most powerful tycoons have spoken out against the Occupy movement, warning it could threaten the city's business and economic stability. Not sure what you're raving about.
 

cyclohexane

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In 100+ years of British rule with no elections, no protests.
Yet, now all of a sudden the students want "full democracy"? Lol wut? These guys are delusional. Never going to happen, if it did all the other cities in China would flip their shit.
 
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In 100+ years of British rule with no elections, no protests.
Yet, now all of a sudden the students want "full democracy"? Lol wut? These guys are delusional. Never going to happen, if it did all the other cities in China would flip their shit.

They've been protesting pretty much since the handover. The July 1st marches, for example, started within the first year and really started to take on momentum in 2003.

In 1989 there were roughly a million and a half protestors in sympathy of Tienanmen in the May '89 march.

This is not a new phenomenon and the people involved (on both sides) know exactly what is at stake.
 

SlickSnake

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Along with Hong Kong and Chinese officials, some of Hong Kong's most powerful tycoons have spoken out against the Occupy movement, warning it could threaten the city's business and economic stability. Not sure what you're raving about.

Raving? My response was hardly a raving one. You often use thinly veiled hateful animosity to other posters around here, so maybe it's about time you took the phony self hating mask off and look in the mirror a while at yourself. If you can stand to. Either you are certainly off your game a lot more than usual, or maybe I just finally realized how much you like to generally rant and rave all while flaunting your imaginary superiority around here. Mahatma Ghandi you certainly aren't.
 
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Hong Kong is was China's golden goose. I have stated in the past it still IS China's golden goose,.. but, now that I think about it,.. it is pretty far from that.

Ever since everyone started pouring cash into China's artificially inflated GDP (empty cities, cheap manufactured good,.. 9% growth per year - GUARANTEED, invest NOW! Hedge if you DAAAARE!), HK has been less and less of a prize pig.

Now, it is the old tattered woman, that was once vibrant and beautiful. It is pride that is causing these people to lash out.

Personally, let China engulf HK - it IS theirs after all.
 
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Hong Kong is was China's golden goose. I have stated in the past it still IS China's golden goose,.. but, now that I think about it,.. it is pretty far from that.

Ever since everyone started pouring cash into China's artificially inflated GDP (empty cities, cheap manufactured good,.. 9% growth per year - GUARANTEED, invest NOW! Hedge if you DAAAARE!), HK has been less and less of a prize pig.

Now, it is the old tattered woman, that was once vibrant and beautiful. It is pride that is causing these people to lash out.

Personally, let China engulf HK - it IS theirs after all.

You don't actually know anything much about Hong Kong do you?
 

cyclohexane

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Hong Kong is was China's golden goose. I have stated in the past it still IS China's golden goose,.. but, now that I think about it,.. it is pretty far from that.

Ever since everyone started pouring cash into China's artificially inflated GDP (empty cities, cheap manufactured good,.. 9% growth per year - GUARANTEED, invest NOW! Hedge if you DAAAARE!), HK has been less and less of a prize pig.

Now, it is the old tattered woman, that was once vibrant and beautiful. It is pride that is causing these people to lash out.

Personally, let China engulf HK - it IS theirs after all.

Pretty much, Asia's financial center is moving on to Shanghai. HK has no more leverage with the central government. If they had to shut down the city and cripple HK's economy to end the protests - they will. The cost will barely make a dent in China's GDP.

That's why the protesters are morons.
 

manimal

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Pretty much, Asia's financial center is moving on to Shanghai. HK has no more leverage with the central government. If they had to shut down the city and cripple HK's economy to end the protests - they will. The cost will barely make a dent in China's GDP.

That's why the protesters are morons.

US markets are down today in part because of these protests. Dont think that it would be painless for the world/China



The protesters are not morons sir. they are people of all ages risking their lives for something they believe in.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Pretty much, Asia's financial center is moving on to Shanghai. HK has no more leverage with the central government. If they had to shut down the city and cripple HK's economy to end the protests - they will. The cost will barely make a dent in China's GDP.

Singapore is by far Asia's number one financial center, if anything issues in HK will result in Singapore becoming even stronger.

That's why the protesters are morons.

Those protesters are fighting to get back the life their parents had before the turnover.
 

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Pretty much, Asia's financial center is moving on to Shanghai. HK has no more leverage with the central government. If they had to shut down the city and cripple HK's economy to end the protests - they will. The cost will barely make a dent in China's GDP.

That's why the protesters are morons.

As someone from Asian heritage who spent several years over there, this mentality of "they're more powerful than us so anyone who protests is stupid" is sadly the typical response. Hong Kong's basic law that China agreed to in 1985 says that Hong Kong shall have a high degree of autonomy except for foreign and defense affairs. The fact that China is going to end open elections in HK strikes anyone reasonable as a violation of that. But hey, they're bigger than us so screw laws, right?
 

cyclohexane

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Singapore is by far Asia's number one financial center, if anything issues in HK will result in Singapore becoming even stronger.



Those protesters are fighting to get back the life their parents had before the turnover.

Lol, Singapore is not even the top 3 (HK, Shanghai, Tokyo).
Technology maybe, but definitely not finance.

These protesters are fighting for what? To return to the way living under a British colony, an appointed governor with no local elections? To pay taxes with no representation? How is that different from the way it is now?

At least now they don't pay extra taxes to the mainland.
 
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Lol, Singapore is not even the top 3 (HK, Shanghai, Tokyo).
Technology maybe, but definitely not finance.

These protesters are fighting for what? To return to the way living under a British colony, an appointed governor with no local elections? To pay taxes with no representation? How is that different from the way it is now?

At least now they don't pay extra taxes to the mainland.

Please stop throwing your ignorance of the situation in our faces. They're protesting in favour of the democratic principles that they were promised the mainland govt. would live up to when it took over the former colony.

The mainland govt. has not lived up to it's promises and this is the price for not doing so.

These civilians are putting their lives on the line for freedom. And you make fun of them. Pathetic.
 

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Lol, Singapore is not even the top 3 (HK, Shanghai, Tokyo).
Technology maybe, but definitely not finance.

These protesters are fighting for what? To return to the way living under a British colony, an appointed governor with no local elections? To pay taxes with no representation? How is that different from the way it is now?

At least now they don't pay extra taxes to the mainland.

Singapore is extremely close to Hong Kong and ahead of Tokyo, Shanghai is not in the top 10.

On a 1,000 point scale, they anointed the following cities with the precious top 10 spots.

  1. New York - 786
  2. London - 784
  3. Hong Kong - 761
  4. Singapore - 751
  5. Zurich - 730
  6. Tokyo - 722
  7. Seoul - 718
  8. Boston - 715
  9. Geneva - 713
  10. San Francisco - 711
 

cyclohexane

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Singapore is extremely close to Hong Kong and ahead of Tokyo, Shanghai is not in the top 10.

Really? The daily mail? The scale is a joke. Should go by the total market cap of companies listed on the shanghai, Hong Kong, and Nikkei stock exchanges imo
 
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