Police didn't know about cigar theft till after Browns death, and clerk didn't call

[Hayabusa Rider]

Very well said.

The unfortunate truth is that people took sides long ago and what really happened isn't very important to them. Rather it's overwhelmingly crucial that their version of what must have happened dominate. Of course that applies to those who automatically side with the officer over Brown. We don't know what happened but I want to. Having excrement who post and encourage and commit lies and falsehoods by deception aren't helping. Brown's fate is fixed. I would not have the officer punished for acting properly nor would I have him protected if he did not. That's a very disturbingly a minority attitude.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have given up on this thread, seriously you can't show them anything, even if it is card hold facts because they are in great denial. They are so blindly biased on this issue they just can't accept anything that truth points to. Anyway thanks for the link and pointing to what was already reported.:thumbsup:

You lied in the title. The police knew.

 

[Oldgamer]

I see the names but not the messages...lol Thank god for the ignore list.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I see the names but not the messages...lol Thank god for the ignore list.

No doubt that's how he tunes out truth.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It's so obvious many in here have never listened to a police scanner, there's no doubt officer Wilson became aware of the robbery due to a police dispatch concerning such.

 

[TheVrolok]

It's so obvious many in here have never listened to a police scanner, there's no doubt officer Wilson became aware of the robbery due to a police dispatch concerning such.

When I worked EMS we used to listen to the PD radio just as much as our own. Nice to know what's headed your way before it's officially headed your way. Makes emergency response much easier.

 

[Matt1970]

I see the names but not the messages...lol Thank god for the ignore list.

Yes, and isn't interesting how these facts are ignored by some of the posters on here.

It's pretty easy to ignore facts when people are on your ignore list.

 

[QueBert]

this is what $48 worth of Swishers look like, no ruler but a phone next to it for size comparison. So we can stop with the "he robbed over $50 worth of cigars" bullshit

 

[CZroe]

this is what $48 worth of Swishers look like, no ruler but a phone next to it for size comparison. So we can stop with the "he robbed over $50 worth of cigars" bullshit

You do realize that some smokes are several times more expensive in some states/cities than others, right? What are you basing this on?

 

[MongGrel]

this is what $48 worth of Swishers look like, no ruler but a phone next to it for size comparison. So we can stop with the "he robbed over $50 worth of cigars" bullshit

I doubt that is even relevant these days.

Ya think ?

 

[QueBert]

You do realize that some smokes are several times more expensive in some states/cities than others, right? What are you basing this on?

This is the same box that had "$48" marked on it as people in here are commenting on. So it's actually a lot cheaper out there, here it's $75. And even if for the sake of arguing they were 2x more expensive there. He didn't have anywhere close to $50 worth in his hand.

 

[LTC8K6]

These are the boxes taken by Brown, imo:

http://www.southsmokeshop.com/assets/images/3887.jpg

You can see the black and white boxes in the video, and it looks like one box on the ground near the cardinals hat near where he was shot.

 

[QueBert]

Well that settles it, what he stole was between $3-4 depending on the price out there. A far cry form $50, but I don't even know why it matters. *IF* someone had reported this to the police they wouldn't have wasted 1/2 a second looking for anyone. The officer didn't know, and Brown wasn't worried the officer knew.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It isn't the money the goods are worth, it was the fact it was a strong arm robbery and that does matter to the police.

 

[QueBert]

It isn't the money the goods are worth, it was the fact it was a strong arm robbery and that does matter to the police.

A strong armed robbery where the perps pay for the shit and end up putting some of what they had in their hands back on the counter. I'm not a police officer, or an expert on laws. But, I don't believe that would be considered a strong armed robbery anywhere.

I could be wrong though, but even if I'm wrong the officer didn't know...

 

[Ichinisan]

A strong armed robbery where the perps pay for the shit and end up putting some of what they had in their hands back on the counter. I'm not a police officer, or an expert on laws. But, I don't believe that would be considered a strong armed robbery anywhere.

I could be wrong though, but even if I'm wrong the officer didn't know...

When he repeatedly shoved the clerk away. That's the definition of strong-arming someone: Using physical force.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

There's no way the officer did not hear the dispatch go out for the strong arm robbery that had recently occurred and the descriptions of the people involved.

 

[LTC8K6]

A strong armed robbery where the perps pay for the shit and end up putting some of what they had in their hands back on the counter. I'm not a police officer, or an expert on laws. But, I don't believe that would be considered a strong armed robbery anywhere.

I could be wrong though, but even if I'm wrong the officer didn't know...

Johnson would have said that they paid for the cigars if they had done so.

It would be all over the media.

They did not pay for the cigars, because if they had, Johnson and his lawyer would have said so.

 

[LTC8K6]

A strongarm robbery is a felony, even for $5 worth of property.

 

[ivwshane]

When he repeatedly shoved the clerk away. That's the definition of strong-arming someone: Using physical force.

When he repeatedly shoved the clerk? What video were you watching?

 

[QueBert]

Johnson would have said that they paid for the cigars if they had done so.

It would be all over the media.

They did not pay for the cigars, because if they had, Johnson and his lawyer would have said so.

You mean the same media that's reporting he stole over $50 worth of cigars? Yeah, I never trust what the media says.

When he repeatedly shoved the clerk away. That's the definition of strong-arming someone: Using physical force.

I work a store like the one in the video, if I called the police and said a customer lightly shoved me once, it would be a day before they did anything, if they even did anything at all. Police have much bigger things on their plate. Especially in a place like STL.

"Officer I'd like to report a shoving!"
"a shoving?"
"YES a customer shoved me!"
"SHIT, we'll send our 2 of our best officers ASAP don't worry!"

A strongarm robbery is a felony, even for $5 worth of property.

And if the person pays for said item, it would just be considered a shove. Which isn't even something the cops will look into.

 

[CZroe]

When he repeatedly shoved the clerk? What video were you watching?

The one where he repeatedly forced the clerk to back down.

You mean the same media that's reporting he stole over $50 worth of cigars? Yeah, I never trust what the media says.





I work a store like the one in the video, if I called the police and said a customer lightly shoved me once, it would be a day before they did anything, if they even did anything at all. Police have much bigger things on their plate. Especially in a place like STL.

"Officer I'd like to report a shoving!"
"a shoving?"
"YES a customer shoved me!"
"SHIT, we'll send our 2 of our best officers ASAP don't worry!"





And if the person pays for said item, it's considered a shove. Which isn't even something the cops will look into.

For one, it wasn't just a shoving. He DID take something, and something != nothing. Lacking such details, their response would likely have been the same. For another, the customer who called probably had the details of how much was taken wrong.

 

[Victorian Gray]

There was a cop dispatched who didn't know why?

The article seems pretty straightforward to me. What about the statement that Wilson didn't know about the robbery do you have difficulties understanding?

"Wilson, a six-year police veteran, stopped Brown and Johnson because the two were walking in the middle of the street and blocking traffic, Chief Jackson said. Wilson was unaware the pair were wanted in connection with the robbery; another officer was investigating the robbery at the time."

 

[Victorian Gray]

That isn't what he said. I knew the moment he said it that people like you would take it to mean that the officer didn't realize it, even though he only said that he didn't know at the time of the stop based on his initial instruction. He said that the officer would not have said that if he knew, but he did not say that officer Wilson never realized that Brown was the robbery suspect. That realization would have to come at some point after the initial encounter. Based on the time, location, and response to his instructions (fighting), he might not have even needed to hear a description to consider the possibility that it was the robbery suspect.

In real life, you don't automatically know who everyone is or what they have done the moment you encounter them. That realization must came after, whether almost immediate or after seeing more clues. As far as you know, Brown's back was still facing the officer when he gave that instruction the "didn't know" statement was based on. Latching on to this poorly-worded statement and applying it to the entire encounter is just silly and stupid.

I'm sorry, "people like you"? Just what kind of "people" do you imagine me to be?

And again:

"Wilson, a six-year police veteran, stopped Brown and Johnson because the two were walking in the middle of the street and blocking traffic, Chief Jackson said. Wilson was unaware the pair were wanted in connection with the robbery; another officer was investigating the robbery at the time."

Bolded seem pretty darn straightforward to me.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I have given up on this thread, seriously you can't show them anything, even if it is card hold facts because they are in great denial. They are so blindly biased on this issue they just can't accept anything that truth points to. Anyway thanks for the link and pointing to what was already reported.:thumbsup:

You're welcome.

And yeah, haters are going to hate, no matter what.