Police interceptors: Dodge Intrepid vs. Chevy Impala vs. Ford Crown Vic

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Sully check the thread to see who started flames first. It was MadRat. Secondly, there is a good reason LAUST and I get upset in these threads. We have posted links and facts in several hundred threads yet the same ole misconceptions abound. It gets old listening to people talk out of their ass in this these types of threads. After arguing and proving your point countless times, it gets irritating to have people continue to spout old misconceptions. I am not saying you ARE, but you are not giving LAUST a fair shake here. Actually, I don't think this thread is too far gone to salvage. Why don't you let LAUST and I show you proof of what we said was fact. Will that work? We can cool the flames and actually get this thread back on track.

Deal?

Heya Mill. Sure, I'd like to hear more about "auto's are better at the 1/4 mile in high torque vehicles" - I have no clue myself one way or another. Consider all the silliness hereby dropped.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Sully check the thread to see who started flames first. It was MadRat. Secondly, there is a good reason LAUST and I get upset in these threads.

Originally posted by: LAUST
You have no clue the pro's and con's to an auto or manual obviously, get educated in them, understand why they are used in each purpose they are.

*cough* bullsh!t *cough*

If LAUST cannot simply give an explanation then its his problem. He's yet to come back and explain himself.

As for your last comment, well, you probably don't stand a chance in catching cold let alone anything worthwhile.

 

[geno]

I'm surprised the Intrepid wins in the performance comparo!

 

[MadRat]

Intrepids are nice cars for cruising around. Not even all that bad for power. The styling is also ergonomically comfortable.

They just really aren't all that hot in handling in comparison to the Impala. They also stop pretty bad, too, as the score showed.

 

[xyyz]

about a month back... i saw a CHP Volvo... i must've done a quintiple take.

i didn't know that volvo's were produced in the US. what's the law btw... they need to be made in the US?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: xyyz
about a month back... i saw a CHP Volvo... i must've done a quintiple take.

i didn't know that volvo's were produced in the US. what's the law btw... they need to be made in the US?

It might not be the law, but usually, its the rule

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Millennium
Sully check the thread to see who started flames first. It was MadRat. Secondly, there is a good reason LAUST and I get upset in these threads.

Originally posted by: LAUST
You have no clue the pro's and con's to an auto or manual obviously, get educated in them, understand why they are used in each purpose they are.

*cough* bullsh!t *cough*

If LAUST cannot simply give an explanation then its his problem. He's yet to come back and explain himself.

As for your last comment, well, you probably don't stand a chance in catching cold let alone anything worthwhile.

Why is it my problem? I presented the facts... if you can't handle them then no that is YOUR problem... that is NOT mine.

I can catch anything I need to catch kid.

 

[MadRat]

That was one quick comeback. Only took a week to think it up.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: MadRat
That was one quick comeback. Only took a week to think it up.

Not everyone is constantly refreshing the threads they post in. Some of us have a life outsife of a computer and cannot make a reply within seconds. Hey, it is ok though. You got to stroke yourself again because you think YOUR comeback was decent.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: MadRat
That was one quick comeback. Only took a week to think it up.

Not everyone is constantly refreshing the threads they post in. Some of us have a life outsife of a computer and cannot make a reply within seconds. Hey, it is ok though. You got to stroke yourself again because you think YOUR comeback was decent.

LMAO, good call Mil


MudRat, it wasn't a comback. I'm not gonna sit here and type up how tranny's, torque converters and torque multiplication works. Go learn it on your own, I could explain in a 500 page document how it works and you would disagree.

I know and others here already understand the facts and they are proven all the time... like I said get your muddy azz to the track, you are the one who is in disagreement with your opinions.

 

[MadRat]

You already proved you couldn't explain anything in a paragraph let alone 500 pages. Millenium makes a good sidekick for you. Every comedy deserves the handy, dandy sidekick to add humour. It turns out that you're fairly narrow-minded when it comes to your know it all. CaptnKirk already explained in another thread what you couldn't, and he did it without the bullsh!t. Then again, CaptnKirk is a quality member around here, whereas you are a real work of art. I mean that in an unflattering way.

According to CaptnKirk it turns out that at the extreme the direct drive - with a lockup clutch - is the ultimate tranny. So, in that sense, you were wrong. So at both extremes some form of manual is better. In the middle the automatics win out. I kind of figured you were full of sh!t but I wanted to hear the explanation and you simply couldn't give it. Turns out you only seem to know about your own level of racing, the amatuers.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: MadRat
You already proved you couldn't explain anything in a paragraph let alone 500 pages. Millenium makes a good sidekick for you. Every comedy deserves the handy, dandy sidekick to add humour. It turns out that you're fairly narrow-minded when it comes to your know it all. CaptnKirk already explained in another thread what you couldn't, and he did it without the bullsh!t. Then again, CaptnKirk is a quality member around here, whereas you are a real work of art. I mean that in an unflattering way.

According to CaptnKirk it turns out that at the extreme the direct drive - with a lockup clutch - is the ultimate tranny. So, in that sense, you were wrong. So at both extremes some form of manual is better. In the middle the automatics win out. I kind of figured you were full of sh!t but I wanted to hear the explanation and you simply couldn't give it. Turns out you only seem to know about your own level of racing, the amatuers.

You are hilarious. I and Mill are not quality members because we proved you wrong and backed it up with facts and Kirk is cause you needed someone to run to

So CaptKirk explain to you why Auto's are superior in high torque cases then a manual is on the 1/4 mile? Then my point was proven, So you are only here on a personal attack level then... now who is the low quality member here? I smell a rat.

Anyway, thats great that CaptKirk explained it for you (Seriously), it's nice to know he's willing to explain to you how Direct Drive works, I'm looking at buying a 125 Rotax with DD myself actually. But Top Fuel and Rotax are not the vehicles we were talking about now were we? There is ZERO mention of Top Fuel in this thread ONLY Street Chassis so again, you are SMOKED, so "in a sense" I was not wrong. (Point made here, DD does not fit in a "Auto vs Manual" arguement You want to start a "Auto vs DD vs Manual" lets do it, you should be full of all kinds of info )

PROFESSIONAL?? What do you think the classes are that I mentioned? You think I'm not explaining anything but I gave you PLENTY of things to go read about and they are PROFESSIONAL so there is that statement of yours down the drain. (again) Being those classes I mentioned are Professional and built on comperable chassis of the thread (wow the Z28 mentioned in the title comes to mind) it continues to support my VALID point.

Hold your personal attack's for your Junior high class, if you want to bring out a valid point of why a TKO is better then a C4 in a case of a 3600lb car with a 100mm turbo SB then I WELCOME that, but keep your kiddie litter to your grade

 

[MadRat]

I came back to battle wits, but I refuse to fight an unarmed opponent so I'll let you go this time.

CaptnKirk is a quality member because he conversates. Neither of you seem to be able to hold a conversation without deteriorating to junior high level behavior. There is this little word that describes your behavior, its called displacement.

 

[CraigRT]

hey LAUST, out of curiosity... what did that Z28 run in the 1/4 mile? I'da though they'd run at LEAST 14.9, but perhaps it's much less at this track.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: MadRat
I came back to battle wits, but I refuse to fight an unarmed opponent so I'll let you go this time.

CaptnKirk is a quality member because he conversates. Neither of you seem to be able to hold a conversation without deteriorating to junior high level behavior. There is this little word that describes your behavior, its called displacement.

This is what the 5th time you only come to post a personal attack, my gawd you are pathetic. I am unarmed as far as wits huh. Is that MatRat's tactic #2 for dealing with "Getting proven wrong on the internet" ? I came with facts and references, you came with personal attacks and NOTHING more.


Yield: He ran a 15.8 @ 93.9mph. With Bandimere being on the side of a mountain it can get a lot of moisture in the air, the combination of the temperature, altitude and the humidity the "density altitude" can be the equivalent of 8000-11000 feet on some days. I'll see if I can get Grasshopper in here to explain Density Altitude better (Being a pilot he lives this stuff) But if not...Basically using Temperature, Barometric Pressure, Dew Point and Altitude you can use the SAE J1349 calculations to figure out the efficiancy of a naturally asperated motor, unfortunantly with forced induction many more variables are applied because it is a compressor the air is already more dense and the aircharge is much higher then N/A.

On a ideal day for racing a Z28 runs about a 15.3 @ 95mph up here... the SS's can hit a 15 flat. I have not seen a stock SS dip below 15 here before. 2 years ago was the first time top fuel was ever able to make it into the 3's. it can be very challenging getting a car to run right at our altitude. Air/Fuel and Timing is very painful to deal with up here. Especially when you do your own PCM programming.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Most piston engines produce about 65% of full power at 10,000 feet density altitude. That can vary a bit depending on the engine design and fuel being used.

Also, aviation engines do have differences with auto engines, but they are still using the same concepts.

: ) Hopper

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: MadRat
I came back to battle wits, but I refuse to fight an unarmed opponent so I'll let you go this time.

CaptnKirk is a quality member because he conversates. Neither of you seem to be able to hold a conversation without deteriorating to junior high level behavior. There is this little word that describes your behavior, its called displacement.

Ok you continue to question their knowledge about transmissions and such. Where are your credentials? What cars do you race that you can question their knowledge over it? You say they continue to sink to a junior level behavior, but you have YET to prove a point and if anything, you have made yourself to be the @$$hole of the thread. You base your "knowledge" of automatic transmissions based solely off CptnKirk's information, in which he's talking about TFD's and not regular cars. I have talked to CK before and yes, I know he works at Lockheed. Does that make him more knowledgeable or a superior source of information over two guys who have actual detailed experience with automatic transmissions? No not necessarily. They're just as good a source of information as CK is. It's funny - you talk about them being amateurs - your continuing calling them out and not knowing a gdamn thing about transmissions proves you're the amateur.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: MadRat
I came back to battle wits, but I refuse to fight an unarmed opponent so I'll let you go this time.

CaptnKirk is a quality member because he conversates. Neither of you seem to be able to hold a conversation without deteriorating to junior high level behavior. There is this little word that describes your behavior, its called displacement.

You realize if you searched the forums like I suggested, you would see the numerous time LAUST and I have demonstrated the superiority of automatics transmission for certain applications. You still have not done so, and you STILL look like an ass. Please search because YOU are the one who looks foolish.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Most piston engines produce about 65% of full power at 10,000 feet density altitude. That can vary a bit depending on the engine design and fuel being used.

Also, aviation engines do have differences with auto engines, but they are still using the same concepts.

: ) Hopper

Very good point, with cases like Ethanol for example that can change the air density in the chamber also

Originally posted by: Millennium
and I have demonstrated the superiority of automatics transmission for certain applications. You still have not done so, and you STILL look like an ass. Please search because YOU are the one who looks foolish.

We have no clue what we are talking about though... just because we do go out and do this stuff on an EXPERIENCE basis, due to us not having a name like John Force we are clueless on the matter