Police kill wedding groom

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Narmer
When you have a unionized and politically powerful police force, these creatures can easily get away with murder. I pray that somebody gets their vengeance.

Civilized people pray for Justice, not revenge.

You haven't read your Bible lately?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Narmer
When you have a unionized and politically powerful police force, these creatures can easily get away with murder. I pray that somebody gets their vengeance.

Civilized people pray for Justice, not revenge.

You haven't read your Bible lately?

Apparently neither have you

 

[Dean]

Four of the five officers who together fired 50 gunshots at the car of an unarmed man on his wedding day hadn't completed mandatory firearms training, a group of black officers alleged Thursday.

It's probably a good thing they did not receive enough firearm training, otherwise three people would be dead.

Firearm training is the last thing they needed.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Narmer
When you have a unionized and politically powerful police force, these creatures can easily get away with murder. I pray that somebody gets their vengeance.

Civilized people pray for Justice, not revenge.

You haven't read your Bible lately?

Apparently neither have you

Oh yes I have. You have a "vengeful" God in there somewhere, no?

Originally posted by: Dean

Four of the five officers who together fired 50 gunshots at the car of an unarmed man on his wedding day hadn't completed mandatory firearms training, a group of black officers alleged Thursday.

It's probably a good thing they did not receive enough firearm training, otherwise three people would be dead.

Firearm training is the last thing they needed.

I'm not sure what firearm training involves, but I'm sure it's better than blindly shooting without looking after a few shots.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Smite thine enemies. After a fair and balanced inquiry. :laugh:

 

[Narmer]

I knew these cops were God-damned liars.


Fourth Man Found

Fourth man: my story

In an exclusive interview, Sean Bell's
pal details their final hours together

He has been labeled the Fourth Man in the notorious police shooting of Sean Bell - a mysterious figure fleeing the scene as bullets raked a Queens street.
But Jean Nelson's account of that fateful night paints a dramatically different picture of the catastrophic events - an account he has now given to the Daily News in an exclusive interview.

The stocky, soft-spoken 27-year-old Nelson had been a close friend of Bell's for the past five years.

So close that only hours before the shooting - on the afternoon of Nov. 24 - the two had gone shopping along Jamaica Ave. for wedding rings for Bell; he was to marry Nicole Paultre the next day.

But in the early hours of Nov. 25, Bell's plans exploded in a tragic hail of 50 bullets that also seriously wounded two boyhood friends as the trio, unarmed, sat in Bell's car. All 50 were fired by five plainclothes cops on a desolate street outside the Kalua Cabaret in Jamaica.

The five cops have yet to officially tell their story. But some of their lawyers have claimed Bell tried to run down an undercover detective, who said he thought he saw someone in Bell's group reach for a gun - prompting him to fire his weapon 11 times.

For Nelson, those chaotic final moments on Liverpool St. are still vivid in his mind. Sitting in the Pershing Square Restaurant in midtown with his lawyer, Charlie King, the young man gave the most detailed witness account yet of what happened that night.

"I thought they [police] were trying to kill us all," Nelson said as he recalled how bullets went "whizzing by my head" as he and several bystanders to the incident ran up Liverpool St. in an attempt to escape the gunfire.

If his account is true - and there are still several witness accounts to be heard - then almost everything that has been reported about Nelson so far is wrong, and the Police Department and the media of this city owe him a huge apology.

One newspaper in this town has already labeled Nelson in a front-page story "a gun-toting man who fled the scene," and police sources have said a witness spotted Nelson inside the club with a gun.

Nelson denied that he had any gun that night. He said he didn't even attend Bell's bachelor party at the Kalua strip club - something that police have consistently told the press.

"After Sean and I bought the rings that afternoon," Nelson said, "I asked him if he wanted to go to Eugene's, this club in Manhattan. He told me, 'No, I'm going to Kalua tonight.'"

Nelson and another friend went to the Manhattan nightclub anyway, where he said they partied until 3 a.m. or so.

"After that, I drove back home to Queens and ran into a friend who told me Sean and a bunch of the guys were still at Kalua," Nelson said.

Nelson and his buddy drove the 20 blocks from his home to the strip club on 94th Ave., but when they got there, it was 4 a.m. and the club's doors were locked.

"We tried to get in but couldn't," he said.

Just then, Bell emerged, greeted them outside for a few moments, then tried to go back in to get the rest of the bachelor party group.

"Sean couldn't get back in, and all of a sudden this stranger who is standing outside challenges him and they have some words," Nelson said, recalling that the stranger stood next to a dark SUV.

"Sean was pretty drunk and I told him to forget about the guy," Nelson said.

As the club emptied, the rest of the bachelor party joined Nelson outside, and the group - now numbering eight - headed around the corner toward Liverpool St.

Bell, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield were in one group. They headed for Bell's Nissan Altima parked on Liverpool, while Nelson and the others trailed behind.

"I was in the street walking toward my car parked on 95th Ave.," Bell recalled.

He then saw a dark SUV drive up Liverpool St. Then another car - with a black man in the driver's seat and a white man in the front passenger seat - went by. That car, we now know, contained Lt. Jerry Napoli, the head of the nine-cop surveillance team assigned to the Kalua Cabaret that night, and two other members of the team. Napoli's car stopped in the middle of the block just after it passed Bell's car.

"Then I see this guy running past me and across the street toward Sean's car with a gun in his hand," said Nelson. At this point, he was standing 25 feet away from Bell's car.

"The man with the gun never yelled 'police,'" Nelson said, backing up similar claims by Benefield and Guzman, both of whom were wounded in the shooting.

Nelson recalls exactly what words the man with the gun did scream out, but said he will tell that only to a grand jury.

"Sean's window was closed anyway and I'm not sure if he heard," Nelson said.

Nelson's account also contradicts another key part of the initial police version. Bell's car, he said, did not ram a second undercover police van two times before the shooting started.

"Sean pulls out of his parking spot like he was trying to get away from the man with the gun," Nelson said. "That man jumps ... to get out of the way. Just then the van comes up Liverpool on the wrong side of traffic and collides with Sean's car."

According to Nelson, Bell threw his car in reverse, and as he did so, someone - either the man in the street with the gun, or someone from the van - started shooting.

"There was a volley of shots," Nelson said. After that, he said he saw Bell's car roll forward slowly "like it was in neutral or something," and stop when it rolled into the van.

Nelson and the other stunned bystanders on the street all started running up Liverpool to escape the bullets.

"We're all running," he said, "and I hear more shots, and I feel bullets whizzing past my head."

As he ran onto 95th Ave., Nelson heard someone who was running behind him fall to the pavement. That's when he noticed it was Benefield, who had somehow gotten out of Bell's car but was still being shot at.

"I kept hearing shots back on Liverpool," Nelson said. "I said to one my friends, 'They're killing them all; they're killing them.'"

Originally published on December 15, 2006

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
From todays news. Interesting.

Training of cops in NYC shooting faulted
The officers are on paid administrative leave while Queens prosecutor Richard Brown determines whether they will face criminal charges.

Why are they still getting paid? :|

have they been formally charged with any crime?

One doesn't need to be charged with a crime to get fired. The fact they have not given a complete statement detailing what happened should be more than enough reason to fire them.

 

[tomywishbone]

Wow. Just f-ing wow. They just murdered that dude and they tried to murder his friends. Insane.

Originally posted by: Narmer
I knew these cops were God-damned liars.


Fourth Man Found

Fourth man: my story

In an exclusive interview, Sean Bell's
pal details their final hours together

He has been labeled the Fourth Man in the notorious police shooting of Sean Bell - a mysterious figure fleeing the scene as bullets raked a Queens street.
But Jean Nelson's account of that fateful night paints a dramatically different picture of the catastrophic events - an account he has now given to the Daily News in an exclusive interview.

The stocky, soft-spoken 27-year-old Nelson had been a close friend of Bell's for the past five years.

So close that only hours before the shooting - on the afternoon of Nov. 24 - the two had gone shopping along Jamaica Ave. for wedding rings for Bell; he was to marry Nicole Paultre the next day.

But in the early hours of Nov. 25, Bell's plans exploded in a tragic hail of 50 bullets that also seriously wounded two boyhood friends as the trio, unarmed, sat in Bell's car. All 50 were fired by five plainclothes cops on a desolate street outside the Kalua Cabaret in Jamaica.

The five cops have yet to officially tell their story. But some of their lawyers have claimed Bell tried to run down an undercover detective, who said he thought he saw someone in Bell's group reach for a gun - prompting him to fire his weapon 11 times.

For Nelson, those chaotic final moments on Liverpool St. are still vivid in his mind. Sitting in the Pershing Square Restaurant in midtown with his lawyer, Charlie King, the young man gave the most detailed witness account yet of what happened that night.

"I thought they [police] were trying to kill us all," Nelson said as he recalled how bullets went "whizzing by my head" as he and several bystanders to the incident ran up Liverpool St. in an attempt to escape the gunfire.

If his account is true - and there are still several witness accounts to be heard - then almost everything that has been reported about Nelson so far is wrong, and the Police Department and the media of this city owe him a huge apology.

One newspaper in this town has already labeled Nelson in a front-page story "a gun-toting man who fled the scene," and police sources have said a witness spotted Nelson inside the club with a gun.

Nelson denied that he had any gun that night. He said he didn't even attend Bell's bachelor party at the Kalua strip club - something that police have consistently told the press.

"After Sean and I bought the rings that afternoon," Nelson said, "I asked him if he wanted to go to Eugene's, this club in Manhattan. He told me, 'No, I'm going to Kalua tonight.'"

Nelson and another friend went to the Manhattan nightclub anyway, where he said they partied until 3 a.m. or so.

"After that, I drove back home to Queens and ran into a friend who told me Sean and a bunch of the guys were still at Kalua," Nelson said.

Nelson and his buddy drove the 20 blocks from his home to the strip club on 94th Ave., but when they got there, it was 4 a.m. and the club's doors were locked.

"We tried to get in but couldn't," he said.

Just then, Bell emerged, greeted them outside for a few moments, then tried to go back in to get the rest of the bachelor party group.

"Sean couldn't get back in, and all of a sudden this stranger who is standing outside challenges him and they have some words," Nelson said, recalling that the stranger stood next to a dark SUV.

"Sean was pretty drunk and I told him to forget about the guy," Nelson said.

As the club emptied, the rest of the bachelor party joined Nelson outside, and the group - now numbering eight - headed around the corner toward Liverpool St.

Bell, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield were in one group. They headed for Bell's Nissan Altima parked on Liverpool, while Nelson and the others trailed behind.

"I was in the street walking toward my car parked on 95th Ave.," Bell recalled.

He then saw a dark SUV drive up Liverpool St. Then another car - with a black man in the driver's seat and a white man in the front passenger seat - went by. That car, we now know, contained Lt. Jerry Napoli, the head of the nine-cop surveillance team assigned to the Kalua Cabaret that night, and two other members of the team. Napoli's car stopped in the middle of the block just after it passed Bell's car.

"Then I see this guy running past me and across the street toward Sean's car with a gun in his hand," said Nelson. At this point, he was standing 25 feet away from Bell's car.

"The man with the gun never yelled 'police,'" Nelson said, backing up similar claims by Benefield and Guzman, both of whom were wounded in the shooting.

Nelson recalls exactly what words the man with the gun did scream out, but said he will tell that only to a grand jury.

"Sean's window was closed anyway and I'm not sure if he heard," Nelson said.

Nelson's account also contradicts another key part of the initial police version. Bell's car, he said, did not ram a second undercover police van two times before the shooting started.

"Sean pulls out of his parking spot like he was trying to get away from the man with the gun," Nelson said. "That man jumps ... to get out of the way. Just then the van comes up Liverpool on the wrong side of traffic and collides with Sean's car."

According to Nelson, Bell threw his car in reverse, and as he did so, someone - either the man in the street with the gun, or someone from the van - started shooting.

"There was a volley of shots," Nelson said. After that, he said he saw Bell's car roll forward slowly "like it was in neutral or something," and stop when it rolled into the van.

Nelson and the other stunned bystanders on the street all started running up Liverpool to escape the bullets.

"We're all running," he said, "and I hear more shots, and I feel bullets whizzing past my head."

As he ran onto 95th Ave., Nelson heard someone who was running behind him fall to the pavement. That's when he noticed it was Benefield, who had somehow gotten out of Bell's car but was still being shot at.

"I kept hearing shots back on Liverpool," Nelson said. "I said to one my friends, 'They're killing them all; they're killing them.'"

Originally published on December 15, 2006

 

[tomywishbone]

bump for update

 

[glutenberg]

Seems like alot of he said, she said at this point. I wonder what the police officer did say and why he's saving it up for the jury. Must be something big, I'm betting on something racist or biased. But who knows if the police actually said it unless the different witnesses can all confirm he said the same thing.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Seems like alot of he said, she said at this point. I wonder what the police officer did say and why he's saving it up for the jury. Must be something big, I'm betting on something racist or biased. But who knows if the police actually said it unless the different witnesses can all confirm he said the same thing.

Everything the cops are saying are more or less a contradiction of what the civilians are saying. Knowing the dark history between police and minorities, I'm guessing that police will lie and hope the public buys it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Narmer
When you have a unionized and politically powerful police force, these creatures can easily get away with murder. I pray that somebody gets their vengeance.

Civilized people pray for Justice, not revenge.

You haven't read your Bible lately?

your interpretation of the bible is skewered as is everything else...lo

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Narmer
When you have a unionized and politically powerful police force, these creatures can easily get away with murder. I pray that somebody gets their vengeance.

Civilized people pray for Justice, not revenge.

You haven't read your Bible lately?

your interpretation of the bible is skewered as is everything else...lo

This debate is a non-starter if you ever read your Old Testament.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Narmer
When you have a unionized and politically powerful police force, these creatures can easily get away with murder. I pray that somebody gets their vengeance.

Civilized people pray for Justice, not revenge.

You haven't read your Bible lately?

your interpretation of the bible is skewered as is everything else...lo

This debate is a non-starter if you ever read your Old Testament.

Read your Bible......the old testament is only considered to be 1/2 of the Bible!
There is also the New testament....or have you ever read the Bible?

doh...

There are many people who read both.....yet if i remember correctly you have no belief in the Boble thus you use it when it suits your agenda.....lol

 

[beyoku]

Sad, just as most reasonable people would think. A car full of guys trying to escape and group of shooters.

 

[conjur]

Surveillance Film Shows Police, Passengers Diving For Cover as Bullets in Sean Bell Shooting Hit Train Station

Video and transcript at link above.

In a Democracy Now! broadcast exclusive, we air for the first time surveillance footage connected to the shooting of Sean Bell. The video from the Port Authority's Jamaica Avenue Air Train station reveals that one of the bullets fired by the five cops at Sean Bell and his friends narrowly missed striking a civilian and two Port Authority patrolmen who were standing on the station's elevated platform. [includes rush transcript] We begin today's show with a Democracy Now! broadcast exclusive. We will air for the first time surveillance footage connected to the shooting of Sean Bell. Bell was the unarmed African American man killed by undercover police in a hail of 50 bullets in Queens New York two weeks ago. He died hours before he was supposed to be married and two of his friends were seriously wounded.

This footage is from two surveillance cameras at the Port Authority's Jamaica Avenue Air Train station, which is a half-block away from the shooting site. The video reveals that one of the bullets fired by the five cops narrowly missed striking a civilian and two Port Authority patrolmen who were standing on the station's elevated platform.

One video shows a bullet shattering a window in the station and then nearly hitting the man. The second video shows two police officers scrambling for cover inside the station after the shot was fired. The content of the video was first revealed in the Daily News by Democracy Now co-host Juan Gonzalez but it has never been aired before.

 

[senseamp]

Wow, so these cops murdered a guy in cold blood, and they are still free?

 

[tomywishbone]

Bump for video

 

[beyoku]

wow, that video is nutz. The bullet whizzes right in front of the guys face.
I swear i would sue big. No way i would be going into the back of an ambulance in handcuffs, that is so bogus.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wow, so these cops murdered a guy in cold blood, and they are still free?

Wow, so these cops have been tried and convicted of murder, link please??:roll:

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wow, so these cops murdered a guy in cold blood, and they are still free?

Wow, so these cops have been tried and convicted of murder, link please??:roll:

The evidence is mounting against your beloved police force. But I'm assuming you're going to "stay the course" until the verdict is given by the people, or DA, I suppose.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wow, so these cops murdered a guy in cold blood, and they are still free?

Wow, so these cops have been tried and convicted of murder, link please??:roll:

The evidence is mounting against your beloved police force. But I'm assuming you're going to "stay the course" until the verdict is given by the people, or DA, I suppose.

LOL, nice try, but "stay the course" doesn't work there, that was kind of dumb. But, if you mean that I am going to say wait until they are proven guilty in a court of law then you are correct. Would you rather us rework our legal system to fit your agenda?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wow, so these cops murdered a guy in cold blood, and they are still free?

Wow, so these cops have been tried and convicted of murder, link please??:roll:

The evidence is mounting against your beloved police force. But I'm assuming you're going to "stay the course" until the verdict is given by the people, or DA, I suppose.

LOL, nice try, but "stay the course" doesn't work there, that was kind of dumb. But, if you mean that I am going to say wait until they are proven guilty in a court of law then you are correct. Would you rather us rework our legal system to fit your agenda?

My agenda is a fair and politically independent police force. What we currently have in America is a politicized system. Obviously, this leads to corruption of the legal system.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer
By the way, what question are you talking about?

Mainly, this one,

"To be clear, if you hear someone say that they are going to get their gun, you stop them and identify yourself as a Police officer, they hit you with their car, then reach into their waistband, what exactly would you do in that situation Narmer?"

You said, "I doubt he said that because the man just spoke from his hospital bed saying he wasn't armed" but the Police say that he did say that he had a gun. Maybe the Police we waiting for back up before they approached him, seems like a prudent thing to do if they were outnumbered.

You are critizing me for backing the Police before all of the facts are in, yet you are convicting them before all of the facts are in. You have yet to respond to this, I have said it several times.

You are reading the post that you linked, believing everything that the "victim" said and discounting everything that the Police said. Do you not see a problem with this? Maybe you and the op should wait until all of the facts are in until you make outrageous accusations like you have.

You have also failed to show proof of all of this Police racism and brutality that you claim, besides all of these mystery people that report all of this to you. You keep ignoring the majority of my posts.

If I was Police and somebody said they had a gun, whether or not I was the commanding officer, I sure as hell would've identified myself as police and put them under arrest because carrying a concealed weapon is illegal for civilians (i believe). If the individual was in an automobile, I would've done the same thing.

But the problem with all this is that the cop that escalated all of this WAS FOLLOWING the men to their vehicles and DID NOT STOP THEM. The fool should've followed common sense and police procedure and done what I would've done in that hypothetical situation.

How can you defend these people when they fail to follow proper procedure? I don't understand.[/quote]


Is common sense stopping a group of men coming from a club by yourself? I do not know if this is what happened, neither do you, but this is what you "think" happened. Suppose that they were waiting for back up? Once again, you ignore the majority of my posts, until you address them I will no be responding to this thread. I'll post it one last time.

You said, "I doubt he said that because the man just spoke from his hospital bed saying he wasn't armed" but the Police say that he did say that he had a gun. Maybe the Police we waiting for back up before they approached him, seems like a prudent thing to do if they were outnumbered.

You are critizing me for backing the Police before all of the facts are in, yet you are convicting them before all of the facts are in. You have yet to respond to this, I have said it several times.

You are reading the post that you linked, believing everything that the "victim" said and discounting everything that the Police said. Do you not see a problem with this? Maybe you and the op should wait until all of the facts are in until you make outrageous accusations like you have.

You have also failed to show proof of all of this Police racism and brutality that you claim, besides all of these mystery people that report all of this to you. You keep ignoring the majority of my posts

Edit - almost forgot this one...

You say it would be a good thing to blow up a Police station because you are frustrated with the cops, even though it would kill tons of innocent people. Would it be a good thing to blow up a few city blocks in the inner city because everyone is pretty damn frustrated with the constant crime and drug dealing?[/quote]

Your analogy is flawed because people from the inner city do not come to where you live and kill you. Furthermore, if people from the inner city were enforced to protect you but abused their power, you would have the right to kill as many of them as humanely possible.
[/quote]

LOL, yea, inner city crime and the drug trade only effects those in the inner city, and you did not show any evidence of Police abusing their power on a wide scale, lol, nice try. Anyways, I'm done with this thread, you still ignored the rest of my points.

I hope that someday you can get over your irrational fear and hatred of the Police, and realize that 99 percent of Police Officers want nothing more than to make this world a better place, and to protect the innocent. Your hatred does nothing but bring you down and it shows in your posts.

Edit - I live 15 mins from the city and I go there frequently, so yea, it does effect me.[/quote]


The parts that are in bold are the questions that you have refused to answer.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wow, so these cops murdered a guy in cold blood, and they are still free?

Wow, so these cops have been tried and convicted of murder, link please??:roll:

The evidence is mounting against your beloved police force. But I'm assuming you're going to "stay the course" until the verdict is given by the people, or DA, I suppose.

LOL, nice try, but "stay the course" doesn't work there, that was kind of dumb. But, if you mean that I am going to say wait until they are proven guilty in a court of law then you are correct. Would you rather us rework our legal system to fit your agenda?

My agenda is a fair and politically independent police force. What we currently have in America is a politicized system. Obviously, this leads to corruption of the legal system.

You want to turn the civilian police over to the military, how in the world is that independant from politics?