Police kill wedding groom

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

just curious, you have any statistics for where most violent crime happens?

No I do not but you can check the FBI's website.

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: Brovane
I understand how handguns work. I have several. But your average 9mm mag is 10 rounds, 11 with a round chambered. A 15 round mag is an extended mag, and as I said I've never seen an officer use one. They're kind of bulky and awkward in either a shoulder or waist holster. *shrug*

Edit: Went looking for pictures of 15 round Glock mags (I assume that's what they carry) and I guess maybe LEO models have wider mags with staggered rounds? The only extra capacity mags I've seen were longer than standard, rather than wider. Perhaps that's my confusion.


I have both a SIG 226 9mm and Para Ordance P-14 in .45 ACP. I have several High Capacity Pre-Ban Factory magazines for the gun that carry 15-rounds and everything fits in the grip quite nicely. My P-14 carries 14 .45 ACP all in a magazine that fits in the grip. Basically the magazines are double column, were for example a old M1911 Auto is a single column magazine. During the Assault Weapon Ban only 10-round magazines could be legally manufactured for sell to the public. However since the ban has expired in most states you can again purchase the regular capacity magazines which can be greater than 10. I have several friends who are police officers. One of the unofficial rules that I heard from them if there is mutlipe officers involved in a shooting the officer who doesn't fire his gun gets to do the paperwork. I have seen this multiple times over the years were one officer starts to shoot and then all the other officers start shooting and you very quickly have a cascade effect. Several years ago this happened in LA for the LASD (Los Angeles Sherrif Department) were they shot around 80 times at a vehicle in residential neighborhood and you had bullets flying all over. Luckly none of the residents were injured our killed. I believe that Law Enforcement needs to get better tatics to stop this cascading effect for firing when you have one officer setting off other officers to fire.

GB

Nice .45. I'd love to get one if I could up here in Canada, but it's really hard. Either that or a Browning H-P.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Are you saying that black neighborhoods are more violent?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Are you saying that black neighborhoods are more violent?

No. I'm saying that police officers care far less for the wellbeing of black citizens than they do of their white compatriots. You see it in their attitude in their interactions with both races. I've been to a couple of minor incidents where the police officers (both white and black) treat the white citizens as if they're all neighbors, with sincerity. In other incidents involving blacks, the officers (white and black) are stone-faced/hostile and are absolutely by the book.

 

[beyoku]

dp

 

[beyoku]

Anyway, they got Al-Sharpton.
Thats why i dont go to Bachelor parties.
Eye Witnesses said they left the club in a peaceful state.

I could see how Arkaign's scenario could play out, although with black folks you can replace "cell phone" with "comb", "wallet" or "Toothbrush" for that matter. It is definally possible, and USUALLY when the NYPD shoots peopel up by "accident" they dont have any comments to say at the scene of the crime. They wait days so they can piece their lies together and so everyone can get the story the same. Probably just another case of over-zealous cops. But dont let that 'bacon fry' just yet. Lets see what they say about it.

Edit - As Narmer states, most white cops in black places are outsiders where we live. They "seem" as if they care LESS about our well-being and are very stonefaced/hostile. Although i wouldnt know because im not in the suburbs to see a cop call. Although i have never been arrested, there have been 2 times where plain clothes cops have tried to put me in one of those "holds" without identifying themselves. Once where a plain clothes cop pull out a Gun and aimed it at my friends car. And once where i almost hit a cop as him and his partner - both plain clothes, tried to put my friend in a choke hold.

In the instance when the cop pulled the gun we all yelled "John....Drive!" as we ran inside of my mothers house and away from what we thought was a gunman. Sometimes these cops come out of NOWHERE and you have no idea of who they are and what they want.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Are you saying that black neighborhoods are more violent?

No. I'm saying that police officers care far less for the wellbeing of black citizens than they do of their white compatriots. You see it in their attitude in their interactions with both races. I've been to a couple of minor incidents where the police officers (both white and black) treat the white citizens as if they're all neighbors, with sincerity. In other incidents involving blacks, the officers (white and black) are stone-faced/hostile and are absolutely by the book.

Do you have some proof of this? You have been to a "couple of minor incidents" and you use that to say that all Police Officers care less about black people then they do about white people. I see most of the crime where I live committed in the inner city by black people, does that mean that all black people commit crimes? Most of the crime is black on black, does that mean that black people hate other black people?

My generalizations are just as retardedly stupid as yours.

 

[getbush]

We'll have to wait when the facts come out. This is how it may have went down though.

Basically I doubt the guys who were shot realized there were any officers were around, especially before they were in the car. One of the men was in a verbal altercation, but obviously they just wanted to leave. So they jump in the car, and the driver is either spooked by the crowd of guys, or not looking the right way, because he hits an officer and their minivan. Maybe he even perceived the officers as a threat and bumped one of them, but I don't think he'd knowingly bump the guy if he knew he was 1 of 7 officers. Now, it doesn't seem like the officer was hit too bad, but getting bumped by 3000 lb. car is going to be felt at any speed, and it's going to be perceived as an act of aggression, whether it was or not. The cop doesn't have time to investigate intentions when someone's hitting him with a car. So he starts unloading, and the others follow suit.
The fact that the guys were "unarmed" i.e. no guns or knives is moot to an extent when they are inside a 3000lb. car that has collided with an officer. A car is a very deadly weapon.

I'm not arguing for either side. 50 shots is a hell of a lot but with 5 guys shooting 50 shots can ring out in about 5 seconds. Ignoring the guy who fired 31 himself of course. And ya, 15 round mags aren't outside of the norm, and are quite common.

Thos cops were witness to a verbal altercation out front. You think if they all would have identified themselves and taken control of the situation, that it would have been neutralized pretty quickly. So did they? Or did they just wait it out and stay incognito? I dunno. The whole thing was probably very avoidable. It just sounds like an unfortunate string of events.

 

[Termagant]

Were these officers in uniform?

If I bumped into a car and then 7 plainclothes guys pulled out guns I don't know if I wouldn't try to get the fvck out of their as well.

Or maybe we'd all be safer if we were all packing heat so we can have the confidence of plainclothes cops?

 

[getbush]

Do you think they were in uniform? Undercover operations would probably be kind of tough in uniform, don't you think? He hit the car twice, and an officer before they were shot at. 5 officers shot, not 7. So, did you even bother to read an article?

 

[getbush]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Actually I'd say in this case getting shot or not depended more on if you had just hit an officer with a car, not the color of your skin. Also, yelling for your gun would have been a factor: "At one point, Bell?s friend Joseph Guzman said, ?Yo, go get my gun.?"

Shots fired:
11 from officer who was hit
31 from officer John Rambo
3 from another
2 or 3 from another*
2 or 3 from another*

*the last two guys have 5 between them.

So basically as far as sheer number of bullets, you had 5 officers firing, and one who accounted for 31 of the shots.

There is possibly a fourth person who fled from the vehicle. He may or may not of had teh gun if one existed. But the one guy had yelled for his gun. The officers had no way of knowing, but the 3 men have previous robbery and gun charges.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/10399066/detail.html

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Are you saying that black neighborhoods are more violent?

No. I'm saying that police officers care far less for the wellbeing of black citizens than they do of their white compatriots. You see it in their attitude in their interactions with both races. I've been to a couple of minor incidents where the police officers (both white and black) treat the white citizens as if they're all neighbors, with sincerity. In other incidents involving blacks, the officers (white and black) are stone-faced/hostile and are absolutely by the book.

Do you have some proof of this? You have been to a "couple of minor incidents" and you use that to say that all Police Officers care less about black people then they do about white people. I see most of the crime where I live committed in the inner city by black people, does that mean that all black people commit crimes? Most of the crime is black on black, does that mean that black people hate other black people?

My generalizations are just as retardedly stupid as yours.

You're the one that's retarded because you added all while I spoke from a general POV. History shows that I'm right and your analogy is absurd because it seeks to categorize into opposing camps with no areas of grey. Try harder.

P.S. I see these incidents with my own two damn eyes and I know countless people of African descent who tell me them. Furthermore, in a neutral place (such as the business district or in the subway in NYC), I see these incidents. Sheesh man, you need to understand that this topic is a non-issue. If you don't believe me, ask around.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: getbush

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Actually I'd say in this case getting shot or not depended more on if you had just hit an officer with a car, not the color of your skin. Also, yelling for your gun would have been a factor: "At one point, Bell?s friend Joseph Guzman said, ?Yo, go get my gun.?"

Shots fired:
11 from officer who was hit
31 from officer John Rambo
3 from another
2 or 3 from another*
2 or 3 from another*

*the last two guys have 5 between them.

So basically as far as sheer number of bullets, you had 5 officers firing, and one who accounted for 31 of the shots.

There is possibly a fourth person who fled from the vehicle. He may or may not of had teh gun if one existed. But the one guy had yelled for his gun. The officers had no way of knowing, but the 3 men have previous robbery and gun charges.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/10399066/detail.html

Most of this is from the Cop's side of the story, which may be blatent lies. Furthermore, they didn't identify themselves as Cops, did they? If they didn't then they are absolutely in the wrong and should be punished. But history has shown that nothing will happen to them because the victims are black and their lives mean little compared to these fearful animals who think the badge and gun give them the right to slaughter the innocent with no consequences for their actions.

 

[getbush]

I think Al Sharpton and his angry crowd are a little premature. The facts aren't in yet, and they're already calling for the ouster of the police commissioner, and planning a rally at police headquarters on December 6th.
Al Sharpton - "We've got to understand that all of us were in that car." I guess all of them are 3 men with robbery and gun priors who just hit a police officer and rammed a car not once but twice.
We don't know what happened yet. They are jumping to conclusions way too strong and fast.

I just found this and it's pretty interesting.

"The police department's policy on shooting at moving vehicles states: "Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at or from a moving vehicle unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle."

Really the only justification in my mind was the officer being struck by the vehicle. This part of policy basically prohibits it as justification though. I don't know if I agree with it, because someone could just run an officer over without him being able to shoot, but hey, that's what the policy says.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Are you saying that black neighborhoods are more violent?

No. I'm saying that police officers care far less for the wellbeing of black citizens than they do of their white compatriots. You see it in their attitude in their interactions with both races. I've been to a couple of minor incidents where the police officers (both white and black) treat the white citizens as if they're all neighbors, with sincerity. In other incidents involving blacks, the officers (white and black) are stone-faced/hostile and are absolutely by the book.

Do you have some proof of this? You have been to a "couple of minor incidents" and you use that to say that all Police Officers care less about black people then they do about white people. I see most of the crime where I live committed in the inner city by black people, does that mean that all black people commit crimes? Most of the crime is black on black, does that mean that black people hate other black people?

My generalizations are just as retardedly stupid as yours.

You're the one that's retarded because you added all while I spoke from a general POV. History shows that I'm right and your analogy is absurd because it seeks to categorize into opposing camps with no areas of grey. Try harder.

P.S. I see these incidents with my own two damn eyes and I know countless people of African descent who tell me them. Furthermore, in a neutral place (such as the business district or in the subway in NYC), I see these incidents. Sheesh man, you need to understand that this topic is a non-issue. If you don't believe me, ask around.

You did not say, most or some, you said "I'm saying that police officers care far less for the wellbeing of black citizens " which implying that all Police are like that. Just because something happens where you are does not mean that it is the norm. You may have seen a few incidents "with my own two damn eyes" but I was a cop for 3 years, there was virtually no racism where I worked. You will find that most cops are stone faced and by the book when dealing with a crime or criminals. Most people doing a job like that have to detach their feelings to stay sane.

"I know countless people of African descent who tell me them"

Do you go around interviewing people about this or do random people just walk up and tell you these things? It seems kind of far fetched that there are all these "countless" people of African descent reporting this stuff to you. I am not denying that this might occur where you live, or you are just percieving racism where none exists (the cop that is being a dick to a black person is probably just as big of a dick to a white person). You need to have the perspective to understand that just because something happens where you live does not make it be like that everywhere.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: getbush

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Actually I'd say in this case getting shot or not depended more on if you had just hit an officer with a car, not the color of your skin. Also, yelling for your gun would have been a factor: "At one point, Bell?s friend Joseph Guzman said, ?Yo, go get my gun.?"

Shots fired:
11 from officer who was hit
31 from officer John Rambo
3 from another
2 or 3 from another*
2 or 3 from another*

*the last two guys have 5 between them.

So basically as far as sheer number of bullets, you had 5 officers firing, and one who accounted for 31 of the shots.

There is possibly a fourth person who fled from the vehicle. He may or may not of had teh gun if one existed. But the one guy had yelled for his gun. The officers had no way of knowing, but the 3 men have previous robbery and gun charges.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/10399066/detail.html

Most of this is from the Cop's side of the story, which may be blatent lies. Furthermore, they didn't identify themselves as Cops, did they? If they didn't then they are absolutely in the wrong and should be punished. But history has shown that nothing will happen to them because the victims are black and their lives mean little compared to these fearful animals who think the badge and gun give them the right to slaughter the innocent with no consequences for their actions.

Ok, now I know where you are coming from. You will believe everything that a victim says but nothing that a cop says, at least now I know that you are a blatant cop hater. The sad thing is, that even though you spew this hateful propaganda those same "fearful animals" will be there for you in your time of need. Visit http://www.odmp.org/index.php take a moment to reflect on those brave men and women that gave their lives and left families behind to protect worthless a$$holes like yourself. That is the most hateful thing that I have seen written on these boards.

 

[getbush]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Most of this is from the Cop's side of the story, which may be blatent lies. Furthermore, they didn't identify themselves as Cops, did they? If they didn't then they are absolutely in the wrong and should be punished. But history has shown that nothing will happen to them because the victims are black and their lives mean little compared to these fearful animals who think the badge and gun give them the right to slaughter the innocent with no consequences for their actions.

You display an obvious bias. You'll see above where I already posted on apparent policy which may make this unjustifiable. If they are found to have acted correctly, I'll say ok. If the opposite is found to be true, I'll say ok.

What part exactly could be blatantly lied about? Guzman's quote? You don't think there would be other witness testimony to back this up? You think they could just make up lies about who said what? There were other people there.

What would you do if someone drove forward and hit you and then hit your car? Blow them kisses? Should at that point the officers stop and yell hey we're cops not just regular civilians so you probably shouldn't hit us with your car!?

 

[getbush]

I agree. Anyone who thinks any one officer out there wakes up in the morning wishing to slaughter the innocent is an ignoramus. They don't wish to be put in a situation to shoot anyone. Doing so is a heavy thing that one lives with for the rest of their life.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: getbush
I agree. Anyone who thinks any one officer out there wakes up in the morning wishing to slaughter the innocent is an ignoramus. They don't wish to be put in a situation to shoot anyone. Doing so is a heavy thing that one lives with for the rest of their life.

Agreed, the vast majority of cops out there are hard-working, honest men and women who dedicate the greatest part of their lives protecting society at large. The problem that sometimes crops up, however, is when large urban forces like NYPD or LAPD form an 'us vs. them' mentality. In this way, they will purposefully defend murdering cops, even when the evidence overwhelmingly shows them to have behaved like animals. The Diallo case was a disgusting example of this. If four random guys, doesn't matter WHAT race, gunned an off-duty cop down (with the bogus excuse of 'we thought he was pulling a gun') and was shown to have shot that person to death, those four men would be executed for their crimes, and rightfully so. What happened to the four cops who coldly murdered Diallo? Paid leave, slap on the wrist mentality, and no convictions.

This kind of uneven justice betrays the standards that the police are supposed to be upholding. It's systemic, and it's disgusting. Whenever a cop is shown to have obviously committed a grave, even fatal act of violence, the wall of support, paid leave, counseling, etc, is overwhelming. Yet, citing a recent case here in North Texas, a man who served 25 years on death row for a crime that he did not commit (proven by DNA testing of forensic evidence from the scene) the prosecutor & DA first tried to suppress the evidence, and never even apologized for ruining this man's life after exonerating and releasing him. The law enforcement and criminal justice system in our country has been deeply poisoned by an 'us-vs-them' mentality, and it's exacerbated by the fact that many of the types of people who WANT to be cops, tend to be the exact wrong type of person for the job. Their primary motivation does not seem to be 'I want to help my city, my country, my family', it seems to be 'I want to carry a badge and a gun, get total health care and retirement, and be above the law'. This is overgeneralization, admittedly, because it's much easier to point at bad apples in our modern media culture. For every bad cop, there are probably 99 good ones. The frustrating flashpoint occurs when the 99 good ones stand up for the bad guy.

The military should be an example of internal justice done right. When a soldier has been found to have been guilty of wrongdoing, the punishment is swift, severe, and complete. There is no 'us-vs-them' bs, it's just 'this guy dishonored the uniform he wore, and this is what he gets'. These standards applied to our police would go a LONG way to reaffirming confidence in the morality and trustworthiness attributed to them. As it stands, I bet that if you took a poll regarding faith in the honesty and ethics of our police, it would show a faltering respect. This is a shame, because most of them are wonderful people. I have an Uncle that is a Captain in North Carolina, and one of my good friends here in the area is a 20-year highway patrol veteran. I would easily trust my life, and my family's, with either of them.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: getbush

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: B00ne
American police is truly scary - one would have thaught all that movie stuff is just that- movies. Apparently not....

If this was a white neighborhood, reason and cool heads would've prevailed. But it's a black neighborhood, so the police shoot first and ask questions later. It depends on the color of your skin in America.

Actually I'd say in this case getting shot or not depended more on if you had just hit an officer with a car, not the color of your skin. Also, yelling for your gun would have been a factor: "At one point, Bell?s friend Joseph Guzman said, ?Yo, go get my gun.?"

Shots fired:
11 from officer who was hit
31 from officer John Rambo
3 from another
2 or 3 from another*
2 or 3 from another*

*the last two guys have 5 between them.

So basically as far as sheer number of bullets, you had 5 officers firing, and one who accounted for 31 of the shots.

There is possibly a fourth person who fled from the vehicle. He may or may not of had teh gun if one existed. But the one guy had yelled for his gun. The officers had no way of knowing, but the 3 men have previous robbery and gun charges.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/10399066/detail.html

Most of this is from the Cop's side of the story, which may be blatent lies. Furthermore, they didn't identify themselves as Cops, did they? If they didn't then they are absolutely in the wrong and should be punished. But history has shown that nothing will happen to them because the victims are black and their lives mean little compared to these fearful animals who think the badge and gun give them the right to slaughter the innocent with no consequences for their actions.

Ok, now I know where you are coming from. You will believe everything that a victim says but nothing that a cop says, at least now I know that you are a blatant cop hater. The sad thing is, that even though you spew this hateful propaganda those same "fearful animals" will be there for you in your time of need. Visit http://www.odmp.org/index.php take a moment to reflect on those brave men and women that gave their lives and left families behind to protect worthless a$$holes like yourself. That is the most hateful thing that I have seen written on these boards.

Whatever man. The problem is when people like me don't want to call police if I have a problem because they will be doubtful of my innocence and/or never give me the benefit of the doubt. An example of this happened last May when I was driving in Chinatown. I was waiting for pedestrians to pass when I saw two cops parked in a cruiser at the corner of Grand Street and Chrystie Street, laughing. I stared at them for a while until I got my chance to turn on Chrystie. Right before I turned away from the officers, one cop saw me staring at them and he turned on his lights and made a U-turn. I stopped my car and waited until he came. The bastard accused me of endeangering the welfare of pedestrians because I did not wait for them to move before I drove. We argued about that but the real kicker was when, after I'd shown him all my legal documentations and driver's licence, he asked me if this was my vehicle. THE NAME WAS THE SAME ON ALL THE DOCUMENTS. I was in disbelief (it was my car). I think that the main reason why he asked me that is because he saw me staring at him and probably thought I was in a stolen vehicle. Well, after sending my evidence, Albany threw out the charge. This just goes to show that these people are suspicious of us. I wouldn't trust them with my life knowing the long history between police and people of African descent and my personal experiences.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Whatever man. The problem is when people like me don't want to call police if I have a problem because they will be doubtful of my innocence and/or never give me the benefit of the doubt. An example of this happened last May when I was driving in Chinatown. I was waiting for pedestrians to pass when I saw two cops parked in a cruiser at the corner of Grand Street and Chrystie Street, laughing. I stared at them for a while until I got my chance to turn on Chrystie. Right before I turned away from the officers, one cop saw me staring at them and he turned on his lights and made a U-turn. I stopped my car and waited until he came. The bastard accused me of endeangering the welfare of pedestrians because I did not wait for them to move before I drove. We argued about that but the real kicker was when, after I'd shown him all my legal documentations and driver's licence, he asked me if this was my vehicle. THE NAME WAS THE SAME ON ALL THE DOCUMENTS. I was in disbelief (it was my car). I think that the main reason why he asked me that is because he saw me staring at him and probably thought I was in a stolen vehicle. Well, after sending my evidence, Albany threw out the charge. This just goes to show that these people are suspicious of us. I wouldn't trust them with my life knowing the long history between police and people of African descent and my personal experiences.

sounds like you (in this instance) may have been a victim of profiling.

And as you know profiling is based on experience.
Your actions seem to have been like what others (who are guilty) duplicate when encountering the police.

 

[Red Dawn]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/nyc.shooting.ap/index.html">But a witness account emerged Monday disputing that version of events.

Trini Wright, a dancer at the strip club where Bell's bachelor party was held, told the Daily News she was going to a diner with the men and was putting her makeup bag in the trunk of their car when the police minivan appeared.

"The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," Wright, 28, told the newspaper for Monday editions. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."

.</a>

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Whatever man. The problem is when people like me don't want to call police if I have a problem because they will be doubtful of my innocence and/or never give me the benefit of the doubt. An example of this happened last May when I was driving in Chinatown. I was waiting for pedestrians to pass when I saw two cops parked in a cruiser at the corner of Grand Street and Chrystie Street, laughing. I stared at them for a while until I got my chance to turn on Chrystie. Right before I turned away from the officers, one cop saw me staring at them and he turned on his lights and made a U-turn. I stopped my car and waited until he came. The bastard accused me of endeangering the welfare of pedestrians because I did not wait for them to move before I drove. We argued about that but the real kicker was when, after I'd shown him all my legal documentations and driver's licence, he asked me if this was my vehicle. THE NAME WAS THE SAME ON ALL THE DOCUMENTS. I was in disbelief (it was my car). I think that the main reason why he asked me that is because he saw me staring at him and probably thought I was in a stolen vehicle. Well, after sending my evidence, Albany threw out the charge. This just goes to show that these people are suspicious of us. I wouldn't trust them with my life knowing the long history between police and people of African descent and my personal experiences.

don't stare at cops. maybe that was the problem and not the color of your skin.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/nyc.shooting.ap/index.html">But a witness account emerged Monday disputing that version of events.

Trini Wright, a dancer at the strip club where Bell's bachelor party was held, told the Daily News she was going to a diner with the men and was putting her makeup bag in the trunk of their car when the police minivan appeared.

"The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," Wright, 28, told the newspaper for Monday editions. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."

.</a>

WOW, this is pretty extreme if true.

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/nyc.shooting.ap/index.html">But a witness account emerged Monday disputing that version of events.

Trini Wright, a dancer at the strip club where Bell's bachelor party was held, told the Daily News she was going to a diner with the men and was putting her makeup bag in the trunk of their car when the police minivan appeared.

"The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," Wright, 28, told the newspaper for Monday editions. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."

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Not an issue for the police... I'm sure Trini Wright has a criminal past, so her version of the truth is meaningless. Sorry.