Political correctness and birthrate

[Texashiker]

Rather than highjacking a thread about the Japanese birthrate in OT, I decided to start another thread in P&N.

Is political correctness feminizing men to the point where men do not want a family?

Over the weekend there was a news article talking about how sexism is still a problem in society. If you want an example, just type "women can not" into google and look at the suggested popular searches.

Article - http://mashable.com/2013/10/18/google-autocomplete-sexism/

In my opinion, being sexist helps sex drive. If a man looks at a woman as a sexual object he is more likely to have sex with her. Sex is likely to lead to marriage and children.

But if the man looks at a woman as an equal, he will not want to have sex with her. Much less marry and want to have kids.

The traditional family of the man working and the woman staying at home has been dying since the 1960s.

In my opinion again, women demanding equal rights, and equal economic opportunity is a turn off to men. This turn off is forcing men to rethink getting married and starting a family.

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On the flip side of the coin, are careers driving women away from being married and having children?

To live up to the standards for a modern woman, she should be college educated, and have a high paying job. So where does a family fit into those plans?

 

[Atreus21]

In a world where calling a woman attractive can be construed as sexual harassment, it wouldn't surprise me if men see women not as equals but potential threats.

 

[nehalem256]

Is political correctness feminizing men to the point where men do not want a family?

I think the problem is the reverse. Masculinizing women is making men not want a family. Women changed(see below) far more then men did, and I think most changes in men have been a reaction to women changing.

The traditional family of the man working and the woman staying at home has been dying since the 1960s.

In my opinion again, women demanding equal rights, and equal economic opportunity is a turn off to men. This turn off is forcing men to rethink getting married and starting a family.

 

[spacejamz]

I would be more concerned with Idiocracy coming true...The birthrates of lower income/less educated population are skyrocketing...

 

[Texashiker]

I would be more concerned with Idiocracy coming true...The birthrates of lower income/less educated population are skyrocketing...

The well off and the poor both have a financial incentive to have, or not to have children.

The well off make more money not having kids.

The poor get more social benefits with the more children they have.

 

[woolfe9998]

Why are we concerned about declining birthrates in an already over-populated world?

 

[Texashiker]

Why are we concerned about declining birthrates in an already over-populated world?

One, those who vote for a living are outbreeding those who work for a living.

Two, over population is a myth. It is how we utilize our resources that is the problem.

 

[woolfe9998]

One, those who vote for a living are outbreeding those who work for a living.

Two, over population is a myth. It is how we utilize our resources that is the problem.

None of which convinces me that declining birth rates should be viewed as a problem.

And your OP suggests that you're yearning for a return to a more sexist world. Anything for a return of all the privilege that being a white hetero Christian male used to entail, eh?

 

[bshole]

One, those who vote for a living are outbreeding those who work for a living.

Two, over population is a myth. It is how we utilize our resources that is the problem.

I think greedy people are breeding themselves out of existence....

 

[Texashiker]

Anything for a return of all the privilege that being a white hetero Christian male used to entail, eh?

Tell the men who died building this nation they were privileged.

The ones who died in the coal mines, died in the shipyards, died in the wars,,,, were somehow privileged?

August 1989 I saw a man killed in an industrial accident, while his wife and daughter were safe at home. So who was the privileged class? The guy who had his legs crushed, or his wife who was at home?

 

[fskimospy]

It is seriously amazing to me how frequently on ATPN we see white, heterosexual men attempting to convince themselves and others that THEY are the ones who are discriminated against.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“We all have a blind spot around our privileges shaped exactly like us.”

 

[werepossum]

Why are we concerned about declining birthrates in an already over-populated world?

Um, because we've already spent every penny in the Social Security trust funds and we need future workers to support us in our dodderage?

I think greedy people are breeding themselves out of existence....

Greedy people aren't really a group as such, but I have heard numerous people claim they are not having children because they don't want to take the hit in lifestyle.

I think rather than political correctness, it's that we don't want to grow up.

 

[Anarchist420]

[...]In my opinion again, women demanding equal rights, and equal economic opportunity is a turn off to men. This turn off is forcing men to rethink getting married and starting a family.[...]

women have equal rights as they make more in federal reserve notes than men do now (men are more likely to be unemployed). however, i see nothing wrong with that if society were free and i think that women outproducing men is probably the way it will be in the free societies of the future.

women are probably more intelligent than men. the reason men score higher on iq tests is likely because the women dont care.

more than 60% of medical students are female and that will be a good thing after the empire collapses.

Why are we concerned about declining birthrates in an already over-populated world?

elitism strikes again.

 

[nehalem256]

It is seriously amazing to me how frequently on ATPN we see white, heterosexual men attempting to convince themselves and others that THEY are the ones who are discriminated against.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“We all have a blind spot around our privileges shaped exactly like us.”

And it is amazing how often liberals throw a fit when the consequences of their ideology are shown for all to see.

Texashiker is pointing out the consequences of feminism. Just because you like feminism does not make the consequences any less real.

 

[Doppel]

Strictly speaking if men and women were equal we would not have two words for the same thing.


We equate "equality" with access to equal protections of law and the notion that a woman is "not less" than a man in her basic worth. I think neither of these impact birth rates directly--from a sexual desire standpoint. They are correlated with women in the workforce and that among other things probably weakened the desire to have conventional families.

I can speak for many people though that the sexiest women are strong willed and appear to have their shit together.

 

[woolfe9998]

Tell the men who died building this nation they were privileged.

The ones who died in the coal mines, died in the shipyards, died in the wars,,,, were somehow privileged?

August 1989 I saw a man killed in an industrial accident, while his wife and daughter were safe at home. So who was the privileged class? The guy who had his legs crushed, or his wife who was at home?

So you think that women who were treated like possessions were the privileged class eh? You think it's a privilege to have no personal autonomy or freedom, to have someone else make all your decisions for you? I guess both freedom and equality are anathema to the conservative mind. Thank you for the window into your twisted mind.

And thank you for playing into stereotypes about people on the right yet again. Conservatives, wanting to turn back the clock on literally everything...

This board just gets worse and worse by the day, when chauvanist pigs you like can start threads and 7 people post in it before anyone disagrees.

 

[bshole]

I can speak for many people though that the sexiest women are strong willed and appear to have their shit together.

So is that why they are all porn stars?

 

[woolfe9998]

Um, because we've already spent every penny in the Social Security trust funds and we need future workers to support us in our dodderage?

Considering that young people aren't finding employment all that easily these days, I don't think adding more is going to improve the situation with SS. There has to be jobs in order to support more population. When we have a labor shortage we can worry about declining birth rates.

Besides, the OP doesn't want women to work. How does that bode for the size of the work force and future SS benefits?

 

[Texashiker]

So you think that women who were treated like possessions were the privileged class eh? You think it's a privilege to have no personal autonomy or freedom, to have someone else make all your decisions for you? I guess both freedom and equality are anathema to the conservative mind. Thank you for the window into your twisted mind.

Nobody said anything about denying personal freedoms, or having control over someone else.

In 1991 there was another accident where a 9 ton piece of steel fell on a man and cut him in half. The incident happened on a saturday, and I just happened to be off that day. The piece of steel caught him across his mid-section. Eye witnesses told me the only thing holding the guy together was where the steel pinched his flesh.

Who is the privileged class? The man who was pulled out in two parts, or his wife who was at home?

 

[nehalem256]

So you think that women who were treated like possessions were the privileged class eh? You think it's a privilege to have no personal autonomy or freedom, to have someone else make all your decisions for you?

You are categorizing working 10 hours a day in coal mine so your wife and kids don't starve as "personal autonomy" and "freedom".

I guess both freedom and equality are anathema to the conservative mind. Thank you for the window into your twisted mind.

And it is just as anathema to the liberal mind. Liberals want men to be slaves for women.

Try looking up all the gnashing of teeth about the government shutdown closing down programs for women.

Or how they have no problems forcing men to pay for the children women CHOOSE to have. So much for personal autonomy.

 

[fskimospy]

Nobody said anything about denying personal freedoms, or having control over someone else.

In 1991 there was another accident where a 9 ton piece of steel fell on a man and cut him in half. The incident happened on a saturday, and I just happened to be off that day. The piece of steel caught him across his mid-section. Eye witnesses told me the only thing holding the guy together was where the steel pinched his flesh.

Who is the privileged class? The man who was pulled out in two parts, or his wife who was at home?

Just to be clear, you are arguing that women enjoy greater privilege than men do in America today, and have so since at least 1991? I presume you would argue that they have enjoyed greater privilege since considerably before 1991, so do you have a basic timeframe on this?

I just want to make sure I understand you right, because what you are arguing seems utterly insane.

 

[nehalem256]

And the whole argument in favor of women working would probably make more sense if it actually benefited women:

Perhaps. Alternatively, many women will work until they have children and leave, at least until their children are well on their way in their schooling. Studying survey data on personal well-being, Marianne Bertrand of the University of Chicago found that college-educated mothers with careers were no more satisfied with their lives, and might be less so, than stay-at-home college-educated mothers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/b...rican-women-is-it-enough-to-lean-in.html?_r=0

 

[mikeymikec]

In my opinion, being sexist helps sex drive. If a man looks at a woman as a sexual object he is more likely to have sex with her. Sex is likely to lead to marriage and children.

But if the man looks at a woman as an equal, he will not want to have sex with her. Much less marry and want to have kids.

What.

Seriously.

You've got some issues with your perception of the opposite sex that you need to work out. Just like in the other thread you started about sexism where you continually tried to come up with lame excuses for why you should be able to treat women like objects.

And how does your screwed up perception of "how things would work better if all men were sexist" work from the woman's point of view?

Here's a more plausible explanation for declining birth rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate

"Typically, high birth rates are associated with health problems, low life expectancy, low living standards, low social status for women and low educational levels."

I suppose you would regard all of those points as being bad things except the one that suits your lifestyle.

 

[Doppel]

women have equal rights as they make more in federal reserve notes than men do now (men are more likely to be unemployed). however, i see nothing wrong with that if society were free and i think that women outproducing men is probably the way it will be in the free societies of the future.

women are probably more intelligent than men. the reason men score higher on iq tests is likely because the women dont care.

more than 60% of medical students are female and that will be a good thing after the empire collapses.
elitism strikes again.

I doubt that overall women are smarter.

The problem is men these days are lazy tits. Women are grtting more degrees, and I think they are also less likely to go off the rails as teens getting into delinquent behavior and other stupidity. A great many boys are struggling as they enter adulthood, and that is a real problem. There is probably no worse time to be a boy than now, given wht the stats say about your future.

 

[Texashiker]

Just to be clear, you are arguing that women enjoy greater privilege than men do in America today, and have so since at least 1991? I presume you would argue that they have enjoyed greater privilege since considerably before 1991, so do you have a basic timeframe on this?

I just want to make sure I understand you right, because what you are arguing seems utterly insane.

In my opinion, the people who say they are oppressed are the actual privileged group.