No, the debate was discussing mutual consent as a reason to oppose sex with animals, it wasn't that I 'arbitrarily deemed' something.
Actually you did arbitrary deem that the DEBATE was about MUTUAL consent.
It's like deeming homosexuals are wrong because SKY is BLUE. Nope, it has nothing to do with MUTUAL CONSENT.
You have arbitrarily deemed the definition of 'adult'. Others, including me, differ.
So does science, insofar as recognizing great limitations in brains that age.
Um, NO. 13 years old is not arbitrary. It's puberty age and fucking age. 18 years old IS arbitrary.
Whether some people are mature enough in the brains is completely fucking pointless. People "mature" their brains all the way up to their death beds. Fuck, look around you at this forum, 30, 40, 50 year old MODS even act like fucking children.
Brain age is not legitimate rationale for deeming someone an adult. Biological fucking age is a MUCH more reasonable way.
That's one aspect of it, but there's more to it. The 'right to do that if you want' is one issue - but one that would apply if homosexual behavior had no biological basis.
So, who cares? Well, many people wrong are supporting discrimination against gays because they have that wrong view of homosexuality, and think it's 'immoral'.
Yes, but that's retarded because there is no reason morality plays into going to the movies, having lunch, or going to the beach with any fucking person on this planet. There is no reason that touching each other (in a way that is mutually acceptable) has ANY moral basis or implication.
Now, you can argue all day why they're wrong on the basis of 'but they have the right to that freedom', but you won't convince a lot of those people on that basis.
We're not going to convince flaming Muslims that they are fucktards or Christians that they are asshats either. They only know what they were indoctrinated in - their BIbles or Korans. They HAVE NO BRAINS or FREE WILL.
And so, their wrong understanding of homosexuality - which leads to their voting against gay equal rights - is quite relevant to correct.
With a better understanding of homosexuality, that reason for supporting discrimination - however wrong you think it is for other reasons - is removed.
"It's not you, it's me. "
In this case, it's more like "It's not me, it's you".
There is no convincing religious people of anything. They are already brainwashed from conception.
Notice how the religious do not sway their votes? Only with younger and younger generations that have less religious influence on their views and upbringings do attitudes actually change.
Yea, you can change Christians and Muslims. You'd have to wipe them all out first.
Again that's one factor, but there is clearly a lot more cruelty against animals in the industrial food industry than the 'cute' - in another way - cow to its 'lover'.
And again you are supporting the point I made about the cultural relativism. It's not just about 'you', either. Tell the fan of dog fights, who doesn't view it as wrong.
I don't care about dog fight fans, nor do I care about pig lovers, or cow fuckers.
The normative curve we follow, as a rule, is that the cuter things are, the less society accepts cruelty towards them, or as food sources.
Most people view animals like dogs as having a 'moral issue' about how they're treated that's not at all like the issues with lower forms of animal like bacteria.
So, why not eat dogs - allow the freedom to those who want to, since they are 'naturally' a food for humans, in that they can be eaten and provide nutrition?
Again, we don't eat our humanized companions, as it would almost like cannibalism. We try to humanely kill and eat livestock, but no one really cares because America just isn't that moral of a country.
Some vegetarians have a more extreme position, but others have concerns simply about why the animal food industry is immoral, not saying animals are 'equal' to humans.
Yep, and I would agree with these vegetarians. But you seem to forget America is Capitalist, Capitalism is the LAST thing that would breed morality. We would rather save 25 cents on Chicken than treat them humanely.