Politics of homosexuality

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bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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bfdd, I stand corrected then. I laughed at the poster. Not his belief system. Are we square now or are you going to pick more boogers out of this half-assed discussion point?

Everyone has said what needs to be said here, you still don't seem to get it(the subject you brought up) so I'm going somewhere else with this. BTW you clearly were laughing at his beliefs, don't try to play it off. Apologize and move on like an adult would.
 

TheWiseOne

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Sep 15, 2010
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LOL, this is P&N, you're personally insulting both people with brains AND gays all at the same time by just being logged in. There are plenty of us who are personally insulted.


I'm gonna guess you are in the latter group of that statement, unless... you're saying you HAVE a brain.

It was only natural to figure the opposite, I mean...taking your posts into consideration :hmm:
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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onlyCOpunk, I have also explained why I chose this as an example. Again, I apologize for any offense.

As to the point of homosexuality being a natural behavior, I am not in entire agreement. I accept that biological tendencies do motivate this behavior but I do not agree that evolution has made sodomy a natural act.

I suggest that if you truly want to discuss what you say you want to discuss, then you should edit your thread title to something more like "Evolution of Sexual Mores in Society". If you have a thread entitled "Politics of homosexuality", people will tend to think you specifically wish to discuss the politics of homosexuality. People are just strange that way.

If you actually wish to discuss the social implications of society accepting homosexuality, then please be aware that professing a religion whose theocracies are openly murdering homosexuals puts you at a severe disadvantage. Same thing (though hopefully to a lesser degree) if you were a fundamentalist Christian. Although you seem like a pleasant young man, no one can hope to be taken for objective if his most closely held beliefs include homosexuality being a mortal sin (with or without mortal punishment) even if in his heart he is against such opinions. It's merely some of the baggage any religion has. Either openly state that accepting homosexuality will lead to accepting bestiality and other horrific changes, or accept that people will mentally assign to you this belief and if you wish to deny it, you'll have to actively profess the opposite belief.

There will no doubt be negative effects of society accepting homosexuality; damned few things in this world are entirely positive. For myself, I think that none of us are as smart as all of us, and I trust society's increasing tolerance over any of those (on either side) who purport to know what is best for all of us.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Homosexual behavior is surprisingly common in Arab cultures, particularly in Riyad, and perhaps other places were Sharyia law is the norm.

Awesome article in The Atlantic about this a few years back.

Of course, distinguishing between "homosexuals" & "homosexual behavior" is quite different in these places as opposed to how we see it in other Western countries.

it turns out that when even what you do with your wife, when you do it, and how you do it is determined by your fucked-up country and system of law, it will make men do some strange--and supposedly harram things.

It seems that male-on-male ass-fucking is indeed very, very common in Riyad. In fact, it is becoming one of the fastest growing gay communities in the world. (as western man whores flock there for the lucrative underground business opportunity)Being the bottom is unacceptable, but if you're the top--the one in control, then you are not considered homosexual in fact, they accept this behavior as completely non-homosexual (for the top). If you are caught being a bottom, you could get arrested, maybe even a public beheading.

While it remains underground, it is considered essential, seeing as how their personal sex life is dictated by some fuckface wearing a ridiculous hat and shoving a book in their face.

This perception explains the OPs early, and apparently hilarious attempt to discriminate the differences in acceptance of the pitcher vs the catcher.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Homosexual behavior is surprisingly common in Arab cultures, particularly in Riyad, and perhaps other places were Sharyia law is the norm.

Awesome article in The Atlantic about this a few years back.

Of course, distinguishing between "homosexuals" & "homosexual behavior" is quite different in these places as opposed to how we see it in other Western countries.

it turns out that when even what you do with your wife, when you do it, and how you do it is determined by your fucked-up country and system of law, it will make men do some strange--and supposedly harram things.

It seems that male-on-male ass-fucking is indeed very, very common in Riyad. In fact, it is becoming one of the fastest growing gay communities in the world. (as western man whores flock there for the lucrative underground business opportunity)Being the bottom is unacceptable, but if you're the top--the one in control, then you are not considered homosexual in fact, they accept this behavior as completely non-homosexual (for the top). If you are caught being a bottom, you could get arrested, maybe even a public beheading.

While it remains underground, it is considered essential, seeing as how their personal sex life is dictated by some fuckface wearing a ridiculous hat and shoving a book in their face.

This perception explains the OPs early, and apparently hilarious attempt to discriminate the differences in acceptance of the pitcher vs the catcher.

Ah, the Clinton principle. No, no, I didn't have sex! She might have had sex, I was just enjoying a blow job.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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Homosexual behavior is surprisingly common in Arab cultures, particularly in Riyad, and perhaps other places were Sharyia law is the norm.

Awesome article in The Atlantic about this a few years back.

Of course, distinguishing between "homosexuals" & "homosexual behavior" is quite different in these places as opposed to how we see it in other Western countries.

it turns out that when even what you do with your wife, when you do it, and how you do it is determined by your fucked-up country and system of law, it will make men do some strange--and supposedly harram things.

It seems that male-on-male ass-fucking is indeed very, very common in Riyad. In fact, it is becoming one of the fastest growing gay communities in the world. (as western man whores flock there for the lucrative underground business opportunity)Being the bottom is unacceptable, but if you're the top--the one in control, then you are not considered homosexual in fact, they accept this behavior as completely non-homosexual (for the top). If you are caught being a bottom, you could get arrested, maybe even a public beheading.

While it remains underground, it is considered essential, seeing as how their personal sex life is dictated by some fuckface wearing a ridiculous hat and shoving a book in their face.

This perception explains the OPs early, and apparently hilarious attempt to discriminate the differences in acceptance of the pitcher vs the catcher.
I saw that too lol. I find it funny how he said it was once socially unacceptable, but now socially acceptable. Yet didn't decide to say that it was once, before his religion was even around, quite socially acceptable for same sex people to have sex.
 

onlyCOpunk

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onlyCOpunk, I have also explained why I chose this as an example. Again, I apologize for any offense.

As to the point of homosexuality being a natural behavior, I am not in entire agreement. I accept that biological tendencies do motivate this behavior but I do not agree that evolution has made sodomy a natural act.

If you want to go this route, the only natural thing a penis is supposed to do is penetrate a vagina in an effort to create a child.

Men be they straight or gay do all sorts of weird things with their penii, and men also put their sperm in and on everything they can, so your theory is flawed.

And on another note, with all the talk of homosexuality, no one ever mentions anything about lesbians. It was comes down to "teh butttsecks." But what about the double enders, the scissoring, and all the face smashing that lezzers do?
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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If you want to go this route, the only natural thing a penis is supposed to do is penetrate a vagina in an effort to create a child.

Men be they straight or gay do all sorts of weird things with their penii, and men also put their sperm in and on everything they can, so your theory is flawed.

And on another note, with all the talk of homosexuality, no one ever mentions anything about lesbians. It was comes down to "teh butttsecks." But what about the double enders, the scissoring, and all the face smashing that lezzers do?

Lesbians are competition for women, gay men are not. I've never understood the lesbians are cool cause it's two chicks having sex, yeah but not with me and they won't have sex with me because they're lesbians. Not to mention how am I supposed to compete with a hot lesbian? Women are hot and I don't want to compete against what I'm trying to win over, just not fair. Gay guys though? No competition and in some cases they'll help you get laid.
 

MJinZ

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No, the debate was discussing mutual consent as a reason to oppose sex with animals, it wasn't that I 'arbitrarily deemed' something.

Actually you did arbitrary deem that the DEBATE was about MUTUAL consent.

It's like deeming homosexuals are wrong because SKY is BLUE. Nope, it has nothing to do with MUTUAL CONSENT.

You have arbitrarily deemed the definition of 'adult'. Others, including me, differ.

So does science, insofar as recognizing great limitations in brains that age.
Um, NO. 13 years old is not arbitrary. It's puberty age and fucking age. 18 years old IS arbitrary.

Whether some people are mature enough in the brains is completely fucking pointless. People "mature" their brains all the way up to their death beds. Fuck, look around you at this forum, 30, 40, 50 year old MODS even act like fucking children.

Brain age is not legitimate rationale for deeming someone an adult. Biological fucking age is a MUCH more reasonable way.



That's one aspect of it, but there's more to it. The 'right to do that if you want' is one issue - but one that would apply if homosexual behavior had no biological basis.

So, who cares? Well, many people wrong are supporting discrimination against gays because they have that wrong view of homosexuality, and think it's 'immoral'.
Yes, but that's retarded because there is no reason morality plays into going to the movies, having lunch, or going to the beach with any fucking person on this planet. There is no reason that touching each other (in a way that is mutually acceptable) has ANY moral basis or implication.



Now, you can argue all day why they're wrong on the basis of 'but they have the right to that freedom', but you won't convince a lot of those people on that basis.
We're not going to convince flaming Muslims that they are fucktards or Christians that they are asshats either. They only know what they were indoctrinated in - their BIbles or Korans. They HAVE NO BRAINS or FREE WILL.

And so, their wrong understanding of homosexuality - which leads to their voting against gay equal rights - is quite relevant to correct.

With a better understanding of homosexuality, that reason for supporting discrimination - however wrong you think it is for other reasons - is removed.
"It's not you, it's me. "

In this case, it's more like "It's not me, it's you".

There is no convincing religious people of anything. They are already brainwashed from conception.

Notice how the religious do not sway their votes? Only with younger and younger generations that have less religious influence on their views and upbringings do attitudes actually change.

Yea, you can change Christians and Muslims. You'd have to wipe them all out first.


Again that's one factor, but there is clearly a lot more cruelty against animals in the industrial food industry than the 'cute' - in another way - cow to its 'lover'.

And again you are supporting the point I made about the cultural relativism. It's not just about 'you', either. Tell the fan of dog fights, who doesn't view it as wrong.
I don't care about dog fight fans, nor do I care about pig lovers, or cow fuckers.

The normative curve we follow, as a rule, is that the cuter things are, the less society accepts cruelty towards them, or as food sources.



Most people view animals like dogs as having a 'moral issue' about how they're treated that's not at all like the issues with lower forms of animal like bacteria.

So, why not eat dogs - allow the freedom to those who want to, since they are 'naturally' a food for humans, in that they can be eaten and provide nutrition?
Again, we don't eat our humanized companions, as it would almost like cannibalism. We try to humanely kill and eat livestock, but no one really cares because America just isn't that moral of a country.

Some vegetarians have a more extreme position, but others have concerns simply about why the animal food industry is immoral, not saying animals are 'equal' to humans.
Yep, and I would agree with these vegetarians. But you seem to forget America is Capitalist, Capitalism is the LAST thing that would breed morality. We would rather save 25 cents on Chicken than treat them humanely.
 

manimal

Lifer
Mar 30, 2007
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Change the thread name to politics of intolerance...

Now change the word gay to muslim, black, hispanic, etc ....

Tolerance isnt situational....you either are tolerant or your a bigot....
 

MJinZ

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Nov 4, 2009
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Change the thread name to politics of intolerance...

Now change the word gay to muslim, black, hispanic, etc ....

Tolerance isnt situational....you either are tolerant or your a bigot....

You can also tolerate bigots and what does that make you.

Yup, an moran.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Only our best leaders aren't prudes, you know...

:sneaky:

I'd say that not being a prude /= screwing around on your spouse or nailing your interns, but yeah, Clinton wasn't bad. He started pretty far left, got badly spanked, shrugged it off and moved to the center. The Pubbies could not have done half of what they accomplished had Clinton decided to be a warrior for the left, we probably would have had a Republican president in '96, and the Republicans turning into Democrats would probably have occurred four years earlier.

It should be possible to find leaders who are both morally good and practically good - though I admit history isn't on my side.
 
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