POLL ADDED: AEG and NVIDIA's "Viral"'outreach programme' targets Forums

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Wow, I didn't try to cast doubt on anands reviews at all. I think all of us here think that his reviews are impartial, and informative. I was using the fact that they recieved products from manufacturers/vendors as comparison to any poster who recieved the same whether or not they announce it.

I have a feeling that most of you really are just getting bugged because they use the word Viral, instead of Happy Merry Undercover Product Recieving Poster Advertising.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Wow, I didn't try to cast doubt on anands reviews at all. I think all of us here think that his reviews are impartial, and informative. I was using the fact that they recieved products from manufacturers/vendors as comparison to any poster who recieved the same whether or not they announce it.

I have a feeling that most of you really are just getting bugged because they use the word Viral, instead of Happy Merry Undercover Product Recieving Poster Advertising.

I'll repeat myself

'The point is not the free videocards its the fact that a PR company has been employed to 'manage' forums unconnected with them.'

 

[Topweasel]

Sony Read the bottom.

Wilkapedia Links at the bottom of several other examples of Viral Marketing.

USAToday Another ;ist of comapnies including Microsoft, Volvo, and Long John Silvers using "viral Marketing"

Cingular Wireless

The point is not the free videocards its the fact that a PR company has been employed to 'manage' forums unconnected with them.'

If they are unconnected then how can they get the other person to manage them. What is this management? spreading the a good word about said company? Trolling? Just being a Fanboy? Making knowledgable and Precise statements backed up with experience with said product? The fact is you have no Idea, but instinctively you don't like it because you don't know, and with that you and/or people like you have assumed a person you also don't like must be part of this bussiness practice you also don't like.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Wow, I didn't try to cast doubt on anands reviews at all. I think all of us here think that his reviews are impartial, and informative. I was using the fact that they recieved products from manufacturers/vendors as comparison to any poster who recieved the same whether or not they announce it.

I have a feeling that most of you really are just getting bugged because they use the word Viral, instead of Happy Merry Undercover Product Recieving Poster Advertising.

again there is NO comparison . . . Anand is paying and disclosing all they way . . . AEG exists as a secretive parasite - let's not mince words, that's what they do . . . they leech [off forums withour paying] and suck [resources] - that's why VIRUS is so appropriate.
:Q

ReRead what i layed out for you . . .

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Wow, I didn't try to cast doubt on anands reviews at all. I think all of us here think that his reviews are impartial, and informative. I was using the fact that they recieved products from manufacturers/vendors as comparison to any poster who recieved the same whether or not they announce it.

I have a feeling that most of you really are just getting bugged because they use the word Viral, instead of Happy Merry Undercover Product Recieving Poster Advertising.

again there is NO comparison . . . Anand is paying and disclosing all they way . . . AEG exists as a secretive parasite - let's not mince words, that's what they do . . . they leech [off forums withour paying] and suck [resources] - that's why VIRUS is so appropriate.
:Q

ReRead what i layed out for you . . .

They Don't pay, infact they went over the performance of the 7800GS PCIe card they had , they did pay for that, we know that because Nvidia said not only was it not for sale but those where just for testing machines and were never going to be sold. His discloser on the other hand is the difference, but if Anand didn't say they got the cards shipped from the manufacturers, would that make what he said any less precise, impartial, and useful.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Wow, I didn't try to cast doubt on anands reviews at all. I think all of us here think that his reviews are impartial, and informative. I was using the fact that they recieved products from manufacturers/vendors as comparison to any poster who recieved the same whether or not they announce it.

I have a feeling that most of you really are just getting bugged because they use the word Viral, instead of Happy Merry Undercover Product Recieving Poster Advertising.

again there is NO comparison . . . Anand is paying and disclosing all they way . . . AEG exists as a secretive parasite - let's not mince words, that's what they do . . . they leech [off forums withour paying] and suck [resources] - that's why VIRUS is so appropriate.
:Q

ReRead what i layed out for you . . .

They Don't pay, infact they went over the performance of the 7800GS PCIe card they had , they did pay for that, we know that because Nvidia said not only was it not for sale but those where just for testing machines and were never going to be sold. His discloser on the other hand is the difference, but if Anand didn't say they got the cards shipped from the manufacturers, would that make what he said any less precise, impartial, and useful.

you are nitpicking to the extreme and missing the BIG picture . . . again . .

Anand has a web site the he pays for and has maintained . . . He has forums that are paid for by him . . . he reviews product that is generally sent to him free of charge and his discloses that fact.

OtOH, AEG only maintains their website that tells what they do. nVidia contracted them to do [what they do best] Viral advertising and paid them money and product.

AEG has employees that MONITOR forums and approach forum members to do PR work for them as "paid moles". They don't contribute ANYthing except advertising for nVidia . . . in fact they deteriorate the forums.

See the difference? i can't make it any clearer . . . perhaps someone else can help.

 

[michal1980]

wow who termed this marketing campaign. must have been a ati fanboi.

viral marketing?

a viruis is somethinthing that infects a host, and replecates, to ussually do harm, in a computer world, a program desgined to delivery an unwanted and harmful payload to a pc.

theres nothing viral here.
anyone attacking this program is quite honestly STUPID.

if you have thosands of people spread information instantly about you, it is easy for rumors to get stated. i.e. xbox 360 recall, febrzee kills dogs, etc.
alot of people are out there attacking your image, why? who knows, they just don't like ur logo, ur color, mayber ur from canada who knows.

this program lets nvidia and OTHERS, share there point of veiw on there products.
does it hard this forum? NO
does it harm any forum? NO
does it harm you? NO
how is it a virus?
does it infect the forum and then spread? NO
then everyone would have like an nvidia card, or an ati card.
if u want to know how well something works, u don't go to just one sourch, u compare benciehs from alot of reviews, maybe get some user input.
i mean comeon 90% of forum posts are ussualy :
Help!!1 so and so does not work!!!! HELP NOWWW.
so u come in and see something has 20 bad posts, must be abad product, when in fact maybe alot of people just have the product, and some are bad,
very few posts go
i got so an so, and its GREATT, but THIS.

the companies spend millions on R&D, Marketing, Testing, manufacturing, and then release the product only to have a few STUPID people bash them?

don't belive me, look in like mobos, very few abit board posts now in days, so u think no one uses them, (in fact millions might but there so go theres no need to talk about them)

how about dfi/asus/epox etc problems, these mobos must SUCK, i mean people post bad things.
.....

on a different angle

today i'm 24 and in college
tommorow i'm 45 and dieing
and yesterday i was 19 and female.

i'm online if u trust me to any large extent, you deserve to be stupified.

 

[michal1980]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Wow, I didn't try to cast doubt on anands reviews at all. I think all of us here think that his reviews are impartial, and informative. I was using the fact that they recieved products from manufacturers/vendors as comparison to any poster who recieved the same whether or not they announce it.

I have a feeling that most of you really are just getting bugged because they use the word Viral, instead of Happy Merry Undercover Product Recieving Poster Advertising.

again there is NO comparison . . . Anand is paying and disclosing all they way . . . AEG exists as a secretive parasite - let's not mince words, that's what they do . . . they leech [off forums withour paying] and suck [resources] - that's why VIRUS is so appropriate.
:Q

ReRead what i layed out for you . . .

They Don't pay, infact they went over the performance of the 7800GS PCIe card they had , they did pay for that, we know that because Nvidia said not only was it not for sale but those where just for testing machines and were never going to be sold. His discloser on the other hand is the difference, but if Anand didn't say they got the cards shipped from the manufacturers, would that make what he said any less precise, impartial, and useful.

you are nitpicking to the extreme and missing the BIG picture . . . again . .

Anand has a web site the he pays for and has maintained . . . He has forums that are paid for by him . . . he reviews product that is generally sent to him free of charge and his discloses that fact.

OtOH, AEG only maintains their website that tells what they do. nVidia contracted them to do [what they do best] Viral advertising and paid them money and product.

AEG has employees that MONITOR forums and approach forum members to do PR work for them as "paid moles". They don't contribute ANYthing except advertising for nVidia . . . in fact they deteriorate the forums.

See the difference? i can't make it any clearer . . . perhaps someone else can help.

by ur standards of libality, anand should be responsible for what every users posts, if his forum causes unwarrented harm to a company then he or the users must pay too, right only fair that way?

 

[Greenman]

but if Anand didn't say they got the cards shipped from the manufacturers, would that make what he said any less precise, impartial, and useful.

Yes, it would render everything he said suspect. Thats the reason for disclosure, so you know how the person you're dealing with is connected to the company they are reporting about.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: michal1980

by ur standards of libality, anand should be responsible for what every users posts, if his forum causes unwarrented harm to a company then he or the users must pay too, right only fair that way?

what does that have to do with anything we are discussing?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: michal1980

by ur standards of libality, anand should be responsible for what every users posts, if his forum causes unwarrented harm to a company then he or the users must pay too, right only fair that way?

what does that have to do with anything we are discussing?

LOL you must get paid by the post in this thread.

 

[michal1980]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: michal1980

by ur standards of libality, anand should be responsible for what every users posts, if his forum causes unwarrented harm to a company then he or the users must pay too, right only fair that way?

what does that have to do with anything we are discussing?

everything, all those evil posters getting free cards because they said nice things about someone, evilll posters

evil anand getting free stuff.

how much is the anti-viral lobby paying you? hmm who are you? how do we know ur not working for ati just attacking nvidia? hmmm hmmm? how do we know indeed.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: michal1980

by ur standards of libality, anand should be responsible for what every users posts, if his forum causes unwarrented harm to a company then he or the users must pay too, right only fair that way?

what does that have to do with anything we are discussing?

LOL you must get paid by the post in this thread.

is that how you get paid?

-----------------------------------------------------------

Originally posted by: michal1980

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: michal1980

by ur standards of libality, anand should be responsible for what every users posts, if his forum causes unwarrented harm to a company then he or the users must pay too, right only fair that way?

what does that have to do with anything we are discussing?

everything, all those evil posters getting free cards because they said nice things about someone, evilll posters

evil anand getting free stuff.

how much is the anti-viral lobby paying you? hmm who are you? how do we know ur not working for ati just attacking nvidia? hmmm hmmm? how do we know indeed.

i still don't see the connection? . . . your "argument" is completely unrelated.

. . . and now you are calling anand evil because he gets free stuff he discloses . . . just like the moles here.
NOT
:thumbsdown:

Please point me to the "anti-viral lobby"
:roll:

i am simply reporting the News and reReporting EliteBastards. And fending off BS personal attacks by nVidia fanboys and probably AEG too . . . . . . what took so long?
:Q

Actually the shoe IS on the other foot - simply put: your company screwed up . . . don't worry it's only "image". . . and i see the nVidia 'damage control' has finally begun and the tactic is to get this thread locked.

However, there have been hundreds of forum members that are now aware of this viral crap and i believe a genuine service has been accomplished - already. And i see this news has also spread to other forums . . .
:thumbsup:

Continue to ridicule and defend what cannot be ethically defended. You show yourselves to be true nVidia fanboys . . . and everybody can see it and will remember when you post FUD in the future.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

LOL you must get paid by the post in this thread.

And you must get paid for every ATI-bashing thread you start in this forum.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: John Reynolds

Originally posted by: Rollo
All you, Elite Bastards, or anyone else has is a link to a marketing company's client list and speculation about what services are being provided for what clients.

In other words, you have nothing. Tough break, conspiracy theorists.

Actually, you're wrong. More information about the program is known than what you realize or perhaps you wouldn't be sitting back acting so cocky and arrogant right now. Ever hear of Deep Throat? This little story has one. (Edit: or so I've been told)

Oh my.

So you are going to come in here with one of your first two posts and lay an accusation that someone here has participated in AEG's program? How the hell would YOU know?

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: apoppin
we just wanna expose the hidden MOLES posing as "fair and impartial" who are cheating the forum out of advertising revenue . . . not the people who have nothing to hide and are proud of their connections to the industry.

Anand also gets free product . . . he gives full disclosure . . . and he is well-respected for his ethics.
:thumbsup:

Why is it you people can't understand that nobody is being cheated out of anything? Nobody is posting free ads. If they aren't posting ads, they aren't cheating anyone. This type of marketing wouldn't have been around as long as it has if there was anything illegal about it.

 

[apoppin]

i'll come off with my 19, 285th post to say, actually we DO know that AT is important enough of a forum to have AEG paid moles working here . . . and we can see evidence . . . those of us that are not blind or fanboys.

==============

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Originally posted by: apoppin
we just wanna expose the hidden MOLES posing as "fair and impartial" who are cheating the forum out of advertising revenue . . . not the people who have nothing to hide and are proud of their connections to the industry.

Anand also gets free product . . . he gives full disclosure . . . and he is well-respected for his ethics.
:thumbsup:

Why is it you people can't understand that nobody is being cheated out of anything? Nobody is posting free ads. If they aren't posting ads, they aren't cheating anyone. This type of marketing wouldn't have been around as long as it has if there was anything illegal about it.

and why can't you understand . . .

nevermind . . . by at least 2 to 1 [according to the Poll] MOST of us DO understand. . . . you don't want to.
:roll:

legal?
:Q

who said legal?
[i'm sure AT's lawyers will look into it - if necessary]

It is unethical

edited

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Why is it you people can't understand that nobody is being cheated out of anything? Nobody is posting free ads. If they aren't posting ads, they aren't cheating anyone. This type of marketing wouldn't have been around as long as it has if there was anything illegal about it.

Nobody is saying that it's illegal. We're saying that it's ethically wrong.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Okay... I don't understand why you are incapable of understanding such a blatantly simple concept, but they aren't stealing a damned thing! There are no ads!

So AEG has "proven lack of ethics" just because YOU say so? What would you know? Are you a marketing expert? Or are you just wanting to sound like you actually know something about this that nobody else does?

Nobody was trying to rip on Anand's reviews, what they were saying is that he gets free products, tests, and posts a review (and makes a recommendation based on the products tested). If you think that there isn't pressue put on by the companies to post good reviews, you are out of your mind.

This practice is HARMLESS. If it was a major issue, it would have come up much sooner than this. The whole concept is being misquoted, misrepresented, and basically twisted to sound as horrible as it possibly can, and it is unfortunate that so many people are unable to see through being deceived.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
The fact is you have no Idea, but instinctively you don't like it because you don't know, and with that you and/or people like you have assumed a person you also don't like must be part of this bussiness practice you also don't like.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: apoppin
again there is NO comparison . . . Anand is paying and disclosing all they way . . . AEG exists as a secretive parasite - let's not mince words, that's what they do . . . they leech [off forums withour paying] and suck [resources] - that's why VIRUS is so appropriate.
:Q

ReRead what i layed out for you . . .

If it is secretive... why does nVidia post that they use them?

You still haven't answered the main question here... what aren't they paying for? Using the forums? Do you have to pay to use these?

You might want to rethink what the term "viral" really means in this... it probably isn't the way that you are using it... but them you wouldn't be able to twist it for your own purposes.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Ding, Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the point, how is the point of view of Anand any different then any AEG "oppertive". Or even better Kyle (of [ H ] ) has talked about changing their policy to only reviewing products they buy, does that instantly make his views better then Anand who may at that point still accept the products free of charge.

Secondly we assume that they are telling the people not say they are part of this program because they would want to avoid circumstances like this where a respected poster would then have his intentions always questioned. Phycologically some would say that this lashing out would be because people assume as a reflection of themselves that everyone is simple minded and easily swayed and tricked. Probably a little bit of jealosy (horrible spelling I know) as well.

So before people get carried away with a process used since Mr. Gore invented the Intarweb, give it a little more thought try to see all angles including the reason you think its wrong.

what a load of nonsense . . . and now you are trying to cast doubt on Anand's reviews:Q

The difference [and principle] is" Anand PAYS for addvertising . . . not STEALING it like AEG.

Let me try and logically lay it out for you: AEG specializes
in Viral Advertising:

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide

are you with me . .. still?

AEG has developed a unique campaign of community outreach and involvement to build strong enthusiast support for NVIDIA products and software.

and nVidia says:

AEG serves a pivotal role in helping us to build and manage online buzz for NVIDIA products. AEG?s online community outreach programs have been extraordinarily successful in improving public perception of our company and its products. So much so that we've recently expanded AEG's role into some of our other product lines. AEG plays an essential role in our marketing and public relations programs. In our opinion, they?re the best-of-breed experts in the field of online PR and community management.

nVidia ADMITS they use AEG for what they do BEST - VIRAL Marketing . . . on OUR forums!
:thumbsdown:

i think nVidia's "improving public perception" has just been reversed due to their unethical choice

Anand has proven ethics . . . AEG has proven lack of them and nVidia chose to pollute our forums with their Virus.
:thumbsdown:

edited

Okay... I don't understand why you are incapable of understanding such a blatantly simple concept, but they aren't stealing a damned thing! There are no ads!

So AEG has "proven lack of ethics" just because YOU say so? What would you know? Are you a marketing expert? Or are you just wanting to sound like you actually know something about this that nobody else does?

Nobody was trying to rip on Anand's reviews, what they were saying is that he gets free products, tests, and posts a review (and makes a recommendation based on the products tested). If you think that there isn't pressue put on by the companies to post good reviews, you are out of your mind.

This practice is HARMLESS. If it was a major issue, it would have come up much sooner than this. The whole concept is being misquoted, misrepresented, and basically twisted to sound as horrible as it possibly can, and it is unfortunate that so many people are unable to see through being deceived.

you sound just like AEG's marketing . . . . professional deceivers

you don't need an answer . . . your ethics need a major makeover.
:thumbsdown:

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: apoppin
you are nitpicking to the extreme and missing the BIG picture . . . again . .

Anand has a web site the he pays for and has maintained . . . He has forums that are paid for by him . . . he reviews product that is generally sent to him free of charge and his discloses that fact.

OtOH, AEG only maintains their website that tells what they do. nVidia contracted them to do [what they do best] Viral advertising and paid them money and product.

AEG has employees that MONITOR forums and approach forum members to do PR work for them as "paid moles". They don't contribute ANYthing except advertising for nVidia . . . in fact they deteriorate the forums.

See the difference? i can't make it any clearer . . . perhaps someone else can help.

Isn't elite member status supposed to be for HELPFUL contributors to the forums? The members who would be participating aren't "paid moles", they get a free product and are "welcome to" although that is probably closer to "encouraged to" recommend it when given opportunity. Read the link on the OP and shut up already. Or if you are going to make these claims of how things work... give some links to back it up. Intelligent people see through your FUD

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i am simply reporting the News and reReporting EliteBastards. And fending off BS personal attacks by nVidia fanboys and probably AEG too . . . . . . what took so long?

:Q

I haven't seen any personal attacks, I've seen a lot of people telling you to do some research before you post stupidity and FUD though.

Actually the shoe IS on the other foot - simply put: your company screwed up . . . don't worry it's only "image". . . and i see the nVidia 'damage control' has finally begun and the tactic is to get this thread locked.

This is a perfect example of your misunderstanding of how this type of marketing is designed to work. It is only supposed to be about word-of-mouth news spreading.

Continue to ridicule and defend what cannot be ethically defended. You show yourselves to be true nVidia fanboys . . . and everybody can see it and will remember when you post FUD in the future.

You have yet to give a good reason this is unethical. I'm not an nVidia fanboy, I do happen to have an nVidia card in this computer.

FUD - Acronym for "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt."

The only person posting FUD here is YOU. You are trying to make everybody afraid of a method of marketing that been around for a long time. You are using misinformation and assumption to do it.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: apoppin
you sound just like AEG's marketing . . . . professional deceivers

you don't need an answer . . . your ethics need a major makeover.
:thumbsdown:

You must be a republican.... nobody else is so hard to talk to.

Just because people don't like viral marketing doesn't make it unethical. I'm not the person making up lies about how a company works.