Poll, are the media complicit in mass shootings?

Jhhnn

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Interesting piece by the LA Times, and IMHO, they are complicit.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-shooting-media-20160618-snap-story.html

From your link-

Still, she said the phenomenon has its limits, noting that mass shootings remain rare in Canada even though most people there live close to the U.S. border and are exposed to the same news coverage.

The difference, she suggested, could be that Canadians have more regulated access to firearms.

Couldn't be! Impossible!
 

Artdeco

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From your link-



Couldn't be! Impossible!

Drawing comparisons to Canada is actually difficult, check out issues like population density, diversity, placement, etc, it's sort of like comparing North Dakota to the rest of the US, and it's really not the subject of this thread, is it?
 

Jhhnn

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Drawing comparisons to Canada is actually difficult, check out issues like population density, diversity, placement, etc, it's sort of like comparing North Dakota to the rest of the US, and it's really not the subject of this thread, is it?

It's your link. Your comparison is bullshit given that Canada has several large metropolitan areas.

When do you figure that Faux News & World Nut Daily will change their ways?

What's more important- things we can change or things we can't?
 

Grooveriding

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Drawing comparisons to Canada is actually difficult, check out issues like population density, diversity, placement, etc, it's sort of like comparing North Dakota to the rest of the US, and it's really not the subject of this thread, is it?

Toronto is considered the most multiculturally diverse city in the world. Third largest city in North America. We have about 60 murders a year. How many are gun related I don't know, but less than 60. No mass shootings by crazies I can remember in 35 years living here. The only thing close I can think of is some gang dispute a few years ago where they were shooting at each other in a park.

Montreal is not much smaller. I can remember a mass shooting there by a crazy misogynist who killed a number of women at a university in the 80s.

You can own firearms here, handguns, shotguns and rifles. You can't buy military weapons; m-16s, ak-47s that sort of thing, who needs those outside of a war zone anyways ? But people can buy firearms after a background check showing no criminal record or mental health issues.
 
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Artdeco

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It's your link. Your comparison is bullshit given that Canada has several large metropolitan areas.

When do you figure that Faux News & World Nut Daily will change their ways?

What's more important- things we can change or things we can't?

Why do you keep taking this thread OT? Start or post in a different one, please.
 

Jaskalas

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...experts who study mass violence say they are also part of the story, because the intense coverage that such tragedies receive can inspire new shooters.
I agree, people who are sick are going to fantasize about being the next big media story. There's likely a great deal of ego and narcissism that goes into deciding to kill a whole bunch of people. To place your judgement over the lives of innocent people... media coverage is going to assist in that feeling of power trip.
 

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Toronto is considered the most multiculturally diverse city in the world. Third largest city in North America. We have about 60 murders a year. How many are gun related I don't know, but less than 60. No mass shootings by crazies I can remember in 35 years living here. The only thing close I can think of is some gang dispute a few years ago where they were shooting at each other in a park.

Montreal is not much smaller. I can remember a mass shooting there by a crazy misogynist who killed a number of women at a university in the 80s.

You can own firearms here, handguns, shotguns and rifles. You can't buy military weapons; m-16s, ak-47s that sort of thing, who needs those outside of a war zone anyways ? But people can buy firearms after a background check showing no criminal record or mental health issues.

5th largest city, not 3rd, please just start a thread on Canada, this is about a completely different subject.
 

sandorski

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5th largest city, not 3rd, please just start a thread on Canada, this is about a completely different subject.

Is it though? Seems like it's just part of the discussion that undermines your assertion.

Does Media coverage of these incidents contribute to Copy Cat events? Sometimes. Should these events just never make the News or get swept under-the-rug? No, that would be stupid. Are Copy Catters more dangerous because of easy access to Firearms? Undoubtedly, Yes.
 

Jhhnn

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Why do you keep taking this thread OT? Start or post in a different one, please.

5th largest city, not 3rd, please just start a thread on Canada, this is about a completely different subject.

Gawd. Of course the sensationalist media is complicit. I'm sure they were complicit in the Civil War, too.

That won't change. Dwelling on it is diversion.
 

Jhhnn

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Is it though? Seems like it's just part of the discussion that undermines your assertion.

Does Media coverage of these incidents contribute to Copy Cat events? Sometimes. Should these events just never make the News or get swept under-the-rug? No, that would be stupid. Are Copy Catters more dangerous because of easy access to Firearms? Undoubtedly, Yes.

Mass shootings are great for sales, however. Go figure.
 
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I'm going to say partially complicit. The horrible tragedies happen, is the news not supposed to report on them? Are they not to give the name of the killer(s)?
 

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I've pointed it out in the past - it's well known that they way the media reports suicides can have a major impact on the number of others who also commit suicide as a result of the first one in an area. Everyone, for the most part, seems to neglect this connection when deciding to report it in the worst possible manner as far as it's psychological effects of inspiring others to do the same.
 

DrPizza

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And a war on drugs would stop drug deaths.

If you have some point, make it.
I don't often agree with LegendKiller politically, but he raised a pretty good point - installing alcohol sensor interlocks undeniably would decrease the number of DWI deaths. (He's wrong about the sugar) I'm not sure why you attacked that with a strawman.
 

LegendKiller

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I don't often agree with LegendKiller politically, but he raised a pretty good point - installing alcohol sensor interlocks undeniably would decrease the number of DWI deaths. (He's wrong about the sugar) I'm not sure why you attacked that with a strawman.
Why wouldn't it? If we banned everything some DC douchenozzle said was "bad" we'd have an oppressive and tyrannical government. The exact reason we have private gun ownership to begin with.
 

Jaskalas

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I'm going to say partially complicit. The horrible tragedies happen, is the news not supposed to report on them? Are they not to give the name of the killer(s)?

Report the name, etc? Sure.
Week long coverage plastering the guy's face and details to everyone's home 24/7? It's more like a celebration than media coverage.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Report the name, etc? Sure.
Week long coverage plastering the guy's face and details to everyone's home 24/7? It's more like a celebration than media coverage.

This is why I would say the media is partially complicit. Any person contemplating a mass shooting would know they would have far more than a passing mention.
 
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This is why I would say the media is partially complicit. Any person contemplating a mass shooting would know they would have far more than a passing mention.

That's why I said partially as well. Other than morbid curiosity, what purpose does it serve to know what kind of high school or grade school student the killer(s) were? Or the fact they abused animals as a child.
To a trained psychologist or criminal investigator, sure, probably some valid info there, but for the rest of us shlubs? No value, only semi-salient points to prove or disprove our existing views on the tragedy.
 

Exterous

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Everyone, for the most part, seems to neglect this connection when deciding to report it in the worst possible manner as far as it's psychological effects of inspiring others to do the same.

Oddly enough places like CNN and the NYT will acknowledge the role experts say reporting has in these sorts of incidents and those articles can be found as links to related stories when their front page is covered in the exact sort of reporting they admit they should be avoiding.
 

Triumph

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I don't know how many times I've heard over the last week, "...50 people dead, the worst shooting in US history..." It's like they're goading the next sicko out there to go for 51.
 
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