Poll: Are you willing to die for US?

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Phunktion

Platinum Member
Jan 29, 2001
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I would defend this country with my life but only if someone were invading us or they were a real threat to our nation.. if it were an invasion it wouldn't be easy for them because there is a certain right to bear arms that allows me to pull out my shotgun and take down some suckers trying to invade my country
 

JupiterJones

Senior member
Jun 14, 2001
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Are you willing to defend US with your life?

Only Just Wars are Ethically defensable. If the action in question meets this criteria then it is our duty, though I would rather make the other guy die for his country.

Principles of the Just War

A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.

A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate. If possible, the war must be declared.

A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient--see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissable objective of a just war is to redress the injury.
A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.

The ulimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.
The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered.

The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissable targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.
 

flambus

Senior member
Apr 2, 2001
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I would pump as many 12 gauge shells and stab as much flesh as I could to defend my "backyard".

Quote:
"everybody wants to be us, but they will never be us..." - Sam Kinison
 

Raspewtin

Diamond Member
Nov 16, 1999
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Only if the US will die for me also. Goodness knows i don't want to be some expendable little green Army man for some fat old man in the Pentagon.
 

Red Dawn

Elite Member
Jun 4, 2001
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67gt500


<< you are not a true american. >>



<< Whatever Red Dawn. I'm sorry that I feel a sense of patriotism towards the country I was born in. Please forgive my moronic stance on this issue. >>

Again you prove that you would have made a good German Soldier in WWII when in the Nuremberg Trials they were asked why they commited the Atrocities they did and they answered &quot;I was only following orders&quot; Who the fsck are you to say who is a good American and who isn't. Personally I feel sheep like you are pathetic Americans, not true Patriots. It's not so much that you would do what your country asked without question, its's the fact that you have the audacity to judge others based on your sheep like feelings.

I'm as much a Patriot as you, I'm just not a blind follower.
 

Pennstate

Diamond Member
Oct 14, 1999
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67gt500:

TRue Americans WILL NOT WANT zombic hotheads like you to be involved in any way in running this country.

You belong in the militia, not in the military
 

busmaster11

Platinum Member
Mar 4, 2000
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If its for a good reason, sure. But if its for a stupid reason, like how our dumbass non-elected amateur prez will one day piss off some other country with his idiocy and ignorance, then no.
 

Circlenaut

Platinum Member
Mar 22, 2001
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I will join the other side and crush the US. I'm only in the US for Money and education nothing more. People here are to Self-centered.
 

UnixFreak

Platinum Member
Nov 27, 2000
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In an attack on our soil, you betcha. Pretty chickensh*t not to. But to defend some third world country I give two sh*ts about, not really.
 

J2T

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Jan 8, 2001
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Im with 67gt500. Hell yea I would.

And also, I think if there ever is a World War again, I say we f'ing keep whatever land we take back. Ungrateful bastards. Im mainly talking about the French..heh Just my .02
 

Red Dawn

Elite Member
Jun 4, 2001
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<< Im with 67gt500. Hell yea I would. >>

So you would die in Bahrain to Protect Mobile Oils interest bvecause GW would send American troops there right?

I can tell one place I would refuse to go fight and fight for and that would be Isreal.
 

J2T

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Jan 8, 2001
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So Red Dawn you criticize others for judging others but some how feel that you are all knowing in your judgements? I would die fighting for my country in a heartbeat. Im tired of people tearing down this country like they are some modern day hippie. Ya know if you have nothing but complaining to do about this country than pack your sh*t and move to Canada or Europe since it must be so much better than here.
 

busmaster11

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Mar 4, 2000
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J2T, you are very honorable in saying you'll die for your country in a heartbeat, but just like sheep, your words indicate nothing to contradict that so many people who say the same things are blind to America's evils and crimes overseas, proud to be an American, and arrogant in the belief that you're a citizen in the richest and most powerful country in the world, therefore, nobody anywhere else matters.

This is arguably the best country to live in. The political system and Constitution is the best in all history, idiot prez notwithstanding. Being accustomed to it, Americans don't have a clue how lucky they are, and as such, don't give a rats ass about those in third world countries. You think you're too important.
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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<< Ya know if you have nothing but complaining to do about this country than pack your sh*t and move to Canada or Europe since it must be so much better than here. >>

Spoken like a friggin all talk no action punk. My biggest complaint is the brain dead fart knockers like you who pretend to have large cajones when in reality their cajones is only the anonymity of their keyboard. BTW, Cananduh and Europe have incredibly myopic individuals just liike you. In the 1930's Germany was full of them.



<< Im tired of people tearing down this country like they are some modern day hippie. >>

In reality it is you who is tiring and your psuedo Patriotism does not impress anybody.
 

J2T

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Jan 8, 2001
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So while you hide behind the anonymity of your keyboard you spew out your self righteous drivel. You stand there and judge everyone for their opinions (while hiding behind your keyboard) and then cut down others when they dont agree with you. Now I am really impressed. Is that how we better our country since we seem to be in such bad shape. I am not saying our country doesnt have faults...lord knows we do. But I cant think of any other country I would want to live in. So you can sit there and make your judgements when you dont know anything about the &quot;anonymous&quot; person on the other keyboard.
 
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Depends on the cause. If it's for some BS reasons, then no.

Edit: in anycase i am a believer of Non Violence.. so I would prefer that first.. until the end is that I got to strike back.
 

iotone

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Dec 1, 2000
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i don't think i would just die for the US...

as for fighting to the death, it's a possibility... then again, if the US is run on money and the idea of individualism, what kind of compensation am i getting on the basis that i'm risking my life?? i mean, if garbage men get paid a lot because of their high exposure to all that garbage, i should get paid a lot for that high exposure to bullets and the like...

but that's just my .02
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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<< . Now I am really impressed >>

Trust me, the last thing I'm worried about is impressing you beef lips.



<< So you can sit there and make your judgements when you dont know anything about the &quot;anonymous&quot; person on the other keyboard. >>

This is what I know about you



<< Im tired of people tearing down this country like they are some modern day hippie. Ya know if you have nothing but complaining to do about this country than pack your sh*t and move to Canada or Europe since it must be so much better than here >>

Sounds like some pot bellied milk toast goober to me.

If you wqant to go an waste your life fighting for some BS cause then fine. But the moment you call others unpatriotic because they choose not to forfiet their lives needlessly is the moment you are considered a sh!theel by me and probably any other clear thinking individuals. If it were just you talking about serving your country without holding yourself up as a Patriot over oithers you would have been fine.
 

AndrewR

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Going to have interject some points here because of all the crap flying out of California. Maybe it has something to do with the lack of air conditioning making people cranky.

Anyway, I do have a problem with people who refuse to do anything for this country -- I couldn't care less about foreign countries. One of the biggest problems I see in this country in recent times is the wholesale lack of any sort of civic responsibility. No one votes; no one serves in the military; no one volunteers; no one wants to do sh|t because they feel ENTITLED to live here while letting everyone else shoulder the burden for the sorts of civic duties which must be done for the country to effectively operate. That does not mean that everyone must serve in the military; obviously, there isn't enough manpower to accomodate that (and the services don't want the draft again). However, there are other ways to serve this country, out of uniform.

Too many people, especially the young it seems, feel that they owe nothing but are owed everything. The distinction between RIGHTS and PRIVILEGES has been lost to where these misguided individuals construe everything as a right. That is simply NOT the case, but they are so soft as to not realize how selfish they are being. Should that attitude become even more pervasive, we face a grave crisis down the road.

I am NOT pointing any fingers here (not at you, Red, as I'm fairly certain you don't qualify under this rubrick), and I frankly haven't read all the posts to decide if anyone falls in that category. I have met and read about numerous people who do fit the above description though, and it frankly sickens me.

Ask not what your country can do for you...those words still have meaning, even if you disagree with the speaker's politics (and I do).
 

yasha

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Jun 11, 2001
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I there was a direct attack on US soil, you bet I would! It's either kill or be killed at that point. I would fight with extreme prejudice to defend my home and family. I would show absolutely no mercy what so ever!

Now keep in mind, I'm talking about a direct attack! I'm not talking about fighting abroad for some other country's problems.
 
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