Poll: Atheist or Agnostic?

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: optoman
I am God, so does that make me agnostic if I don't believe in a religion?

In the church of Satan, they believe that each one among them is their own god. Perhaps you are actually a follower of Satanism?

 

[xcript]

Atheist, I suppose. I firmly believe that there is no god in much the same way that I firmly believe there is no Father Christmas, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, etc. Not that I can prove any of this, of course.

 

[akubi]

i'm agnostic, as in, I don't feel I should waste my time thinking about religion and the existence of god(s)

 

[SilverThief]

Originally posted by: her209
If the universe cannot be created without God, then who created God? Similarly, if God was all knowing, then does he know what he's going to do before he does it?

God always was.
He knew everything you would ever say and do before you were even born.

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Nebben

Originally posted by: hardwareuser
First, I'd like to define god as some omnipotent lifeform, and not just some blob that started the universe.

Well, with all the contradictions (like how Christianity said the earth is flat), I tend to believe that it's all crap.

Heh, 'Christianity' never said the Earth was flat. Where'd you hear that?

Yeah, it wasn't that they said the earth was flat, it's that they said the sun revolved around the earth. It was charming and cute how they attempted to kill anyone that claimed otherwise.

A system of beliefs can't really kill people. But I guess since a certain group of people that said they believed a certain thing killed people, it must mean that system of beliefs is evil!

Like this one time in junior high, a guy that wore Dockers was mean to me! I'm suing Dockers!

 

[Legend]

God always was.
He knew everything you would ever say and do before you were even born.

So the universe requires creation, but God does not? Based on what?

 

[chambersc]

i'm atheist because i believe God is a tool created by man to help explain the unexplainable and to look to something when something good/bad happens. basically, i believe in the human being as opposed to a higher power because I feel that offering oneself to a higher power shows an absence of respect for oneself and others in the human race. none of this trite "prove it" stuff for me.

 

[ctracyw]

an agnostic is just an atheist who is afraid to commit....

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: Legend

God always was.
He knew everything you would ever say and do before you were even born.

So the universe requires creation, but God does not? Based on what?

If there's a God, why can't he be outside of the rules of our known world?

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: ctracyw
an agnostic is just an atheist who is afraid to commit....

No, an agnostic is someone that isn't so pigheaded to think that we know enough to prove whether or not there is a God.

Edit: I think this whole thing varies a lot on what your definitions for atheist and agnostic are. The traditional definitions, to the best of my knowledge, are:

Atheist = a lack of belief in a God
Agnostic = thinks that it's not possible to know if there is a God or not

But for some reason atheist has come to mean things like "I am 100% sure God doesn't exist" and "I hate God and I'm gonna wear a bunch of black stuff"

So anytime this subject comes up it'd be wise to clear up definitions first

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Nebben

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Nebben

Originally posted by: hardwareuser
First, I'd like to define god as some omnipotent lifeform, and not just some blob that started the universe.

Well, with all the contradictions (like how Christianity said the earth is flat), I tend to believe that it's all crap.

Heh, 'Christianity' never said the Earth was flat. Where'd you hear that?

Yeah, it wasn't that they said the earth was flat, it's that they said the sun revolved around the earth. It was charming and cute how they attempted to kill anyone that claimed otherwise.

A system of beliefs can't really kill people. But I guess since a certain group of people that said they believed a certain thing killed people, it must mean that system of beliefs is evil!

Like this one time in junior high, a guy that wore Dockers was mean to me! I'm suing Dockers!

ROFLMAO!!! Nice attempt at spinning that. A system of beliefs didn't kill anyone, the Catholic Church went out, hunted down and killed scientists who taught that the sun was the center of the solar system and that the earth revolved around it. Do you deny that the Catholic Church organized and participated in the widespread extermination of those who disagreed with them? It wasn't a system of beliefs murdering scientists in God's name, it was the Catholic Church itself.

 

[angrycomputer]

How do you know what is around you and what you see, hear, smell and taste isn't just a figment of your imagination? What is imaginiation? I am speaking a language of imagination.....define the world around you without a creator. Every heart has these questions, such as, how did I get here?the first humans resorted to gods. IMPO science is nothing without faith, and faith is invalid without the proof of science.

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Nebben

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Nebben

Originally posted by: hardwareuser
First, I'd like to define god as some omnipotent lifeform, and not just some blob that started the universe.

Well, with all the contradictions (like how Christianity said the earth is flat), I tend to believe that it's all crap.

Heh, 'Christianity' never said the Earth was flat. Where'd you hear that?

Yeah, it wasn't that they said the earth was flat, it's that they said the sun revolved around the earth. It was charming and cute how they attempted to kill anyone that claimed otherwise.

A system of beliefs can't really kill people. But I guess since a certain group of people that said they believed a certain thing killed people, it must mean that system of beliefs is evil!

Like this one time in junior high, a guy that wore Dockers was mean to me! I'm suing Dockers!

ROFLMAO!!! Nice attempt at spinning that. A system of beliefs didn't kill anyone, the Catholic Church went out, hunted down and killed scientists who taught that the sun was the center of the solar system and that the earth revolved around it. Do you deny that the Catholic Church organized and participated in the widespread extermination of those who disagreed with them? It wasn't a system of beliefs murdering scientists in God's name, it was the Catholic Church itself.

Uh, yeah. So the Catholic Church killed people, not Christianity.

Christianity is a system of beliefs, not a group of people.

 

[chambersc]

catholic church killed people not christianity

=

guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do.

BOTH TRUE!

 

[Legend]

If there's a God, why can't he be outside of the rules of our known world?

Sorry I'm not buying the whole "God can do anything" line.

Seems some people can't understand a universe that has no beginning and no end. So they create an entity that creates the universe, but when the subject of how that entity was created, they say that he has no beginning because he's God. Uh, right...

 

[angrycomputer]

Originally posted by: Nebben

Originally posted by: Legend

God always was.
He knew everything you would ever say and do before you were even born.

So the universe requires creation, but God does not? Based on what?

If there's a God, why can't he be outside of the rules of our known world?

Excellent point, all of our speech, thoughts, explanations, IMO are nothing compared to the vastness of God. God is beyond our comprehension. We only have faith to guide us.

 

[angrycomputer]

Originally posted by: Legend

If there's a God, why can't he be outside of the rules of our known world?

Sorry I'm not buying the whole "God can do anything" line.

Seems some people can't understand a universe that has no beginning and no end. So they create an entity that creates the universe, but when the subject of how that entity was created, they say that he has no beginning because he's God. Uh, right...

Yes exactly. Please explain how that is such an illogical reasoning to you, besides "Uh, Right"

 

[Skiguy411]

My thing is what created the earth? well what created that? and then what created that? and that? and that?!

Does this not freak anyone else out!!??

 

[Legend]

It's illogical because the explanation for how the universe has no beginning comes back to the initial problem. God is a middle man.

My belief is that the universe has no beginning because there's nothing to indicate that it does. Just because we can't understand time in this manner doesn't suggest that there's some mythological father figure in the clouds.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: angrycomputer
Excellent point, all of our speech, thoughts, explanations, IMO are nothing compared to the vastness of God. God is beyond our comprehension. We only have faith to guide us.

Why can't we say "the creation of the universe is beyond our comprehension"?

 

[Legend]

Exactly what I'm saying.

I think time is an infinite dimension, just like 3D space. Does our universe have boundaries? Is there anything to indicate that? As far as we know it just keeps going forever.

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: angrycomputer
Excellent point, all of our speech, thoughts, explanations, IMO are nothing compared to the vastness of God. God is beyond our comprehension. We only have faith to guide us.

Why can't we say "the creation of the universe is beyond our comprehension"?

You can say that.

Problem is, many people don't say that. They say something more like "I know there is no God" even though that's not possible to know.

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: Legend
It's illogical because the explanation for how the universe has no beginning comes back to the initial problem. God is a middle man.

My belief is that the universe has no beginning because there's nothing to indicate that it does. Just because we can't understand time in this manner doesn't suggest that there's some mythological father figure in the clouds.

It's not illogical, you just disagree with it.

In my opinion, both "There's probably something that created all of this" and "This all probably has existed forever, and had no creation" are about equal in terms of how logically likely they are.

 

[chrisms]

Agnostic. I go back and forth a lot on the god issue

 

[shoegazer]

atheist. agnostic seems like somewhat of a cop out. by saying i'm atheist i don't mean i'm positive there is no god. i'm not entirely sure about anything. but, i don't see any evidence for a god so i don't think there is one.