Poll: Creationism Trumps Evolution

[conjur]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...polls/main657083.shtml

(CBS) Americans do not believe that humans evolved, and the vast majority says that even if they evolved, God guided the process. Just 13 percent say that God was not involved. But most would not substitute the teaching of creationism for the teaching of evolution in public schools.

Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education and among those who attend religious services rarely or not at all.

There are also differences between voters who supported Kerry and those who supported Bush: 47 percent of John Kerry?s voters think God created humans as they are now, compared with 67 percent of Bush voters.

More proof that ignorance is bliss.

I weep for this nation.

 

[Bowfinger]

Isn't 67% about the same as the percentage who believe Iraq was connected to 9/11? Coincidence?

 

[daveshel]

I'm not so sure this proves anything about ignorance, since the theory of evolution is still a theory. Moreover, it seems to me the most telling statistic would be the percentage that believes that God created the human race through the forces of evolution.

 

[Czar]

I expect a step backwards if this continues

 

[jlmadyson]

Be afraid...very afraid

Woo scary.....:laugh:

 

[wirelessenabled]

Originally posted by: daveshel
I'm not so sure this proves anything about ignorance, since the theory of evolution is still a theory. Moreover, it seems to me the most telling statistic would be the percentage that believes that God created the human race through the forces of evolution.

EVERYTHING in science is a theory! We have this theory about how electrons behave in a semiconductor. We use the theory to design and build CPUs to power a computer. Does this make the theory a truth? No, it is still a theory. The theory fits the facts well enough to allow us to harness its power but it still does not make it a truth.

Same holds true for evolution. It will never be a fact no matter how much evidence we gather or how well it fits and explains and predicts the evidence.

The evangelicals stating that evolution is "only a theory" just means one more level of ignorance to me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: daveshel
I'm not so sure this proves anything about ignorance, since the theory of evolution is still a theory. Moreover, it seems to me the most telling statistic would be the percentage that believes that God created the human race through the forces of evolution.

Oy vey...here we go again.


:roll:

 

[Martin]

There's a great quote by HeroOfPellinor that goes something like "Hey moron, evolution isn't science, that's why they call it a THEORY"

it was in someone's sig. Hilarious.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Martin
There's a great quote by HeroOfPellinor that goes something like "Hey moron, evolution isn't science, that's why they call it a THEORY"

it was in someone's sig. Hilarious.

Hahahahaha... what can I say, HOP is a genius.

 

[kage69]

The stupidity of closeminded people never ceases to amaze me. My poor, poor country.

 

[piasabird]

Evolution is statistically improbable. Prove Man evolved.

Just because some species became extinct is not an indication of evolution.

Today we have people who study genetics and want to do cloning. It is not too absurd to thing mankind or an intelligent being could create a person through intelligent design. Just think of God as a very smart geneticist. The words for create in the bible that create was interpreted from have a literal meaning which means "To Organize!"

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: kage69
The stupidity of closeminded people never ceases to amaze me. My poor, poor country.

And then piasabird followed up your post.

Perfect timing.


Oy vey.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: daveshel
I'm not so sure this proves anything about ignorance, since the theory of evolution is still a theory. Moreover, it seems to me the most telling statistic would be the percentage that believes that God created the human race through the forces of evolution.

Oy vey...here we go again.

To risk covering ground of which you are weary, I am just saying that evolution is no more provable than the existence of God, but the MOREOVER part, which means it is the main point, is that these two positions are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: kage69
The stupidity of closeminded people never ceases to amaze me. My poor, poor country.

And then piasabird followed up your post.

Perfect timing.


Oy vey.

Are you sure that 'close-minded' label doesn't more accurately describe your post, moreso than pisabird's? :roll:

I have no idea how humans came to be - whether we grew out of a puddle of gunk, evolved from other animals (that mysterious sprung up), were placed here by being(s) of higher intelligence, shite-out by a passing Space Walrus, etc - but I'm certainly going to keep my mind open about any and all potential possibilities. You, however, seem to have already decided which ones you can ignore. Must be nice to have all the answers..

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Evolution is statistically improbable. Prove Man evolved.

Just because some species became extinct is not an indication of evolution.

Today we have people who study genetics and want to do cloning. It is not too absurd to thing mankind or an intelligent being could create a person through intelligent design. Just think of God as a very smart geneticist. The words for create in the bible that create was interpreted from have a literal meaning which means "To Organize!"

You are right. When you look at individual mutations, evolution is highly improbable. The odds are much, much worse than winning Powerball, for example.

Yet sooner or later, someone always wins Powerball. When you have trillions of mutations occurring over billions of years, even the highly improbable becomes almost certain. That is the basis for the Science of evolution.

 

[SuperTool]

Another reason I support the H1B visa program

 

[chess9]

Micro evolution has more proof for it's "truth" than the existence of God by a wide margin. This doesn't mean that God doesn't exist and/or that God wasn't involved in the process if that's what you want to believe.

I'm afraid we have a lot of misconceptions about the nature of evolution already in this thread. Evolution and abiogenesis are two distinct ideas that the religious right, and, I'm sorry to say, most Americans confuse.

PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE ABIOGENESIS WITH EVOLUTION!!!!!!

If you guys hadn't smoked so much dope in high school you might have learned those two ideas in the tenth grade. So much for Rip's theory of the superiority of a modern education.....

-Robert

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: kage69
The stupidity of closeminded people never ceases to amaze me. My poor, poor country.

And then piasabird followed up your post.

Perfect timing.


Oy vey.

Are you sure that 'close-minded' label doesn't more accurately describe your post, moreso than pisabird's? :roll:

I have no idea how humans came to be - whether we grew out of a puddle of gunk, evolved from other animals (that mysterious sprung up), were placed here by being(s) of higher intelligence, shite-out by a passing Space Walrus, etc - but I'm certainly going to keep my mind open about any and all potential possibilities. You, however, seem to have already decided which ones you can ignore. Must be nice to have all the answers..

You don't have to ignore anything, but you can still assign probabilities to each theory.
Just because you can't form an opinion, don't bash those who have.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: piasabird
Evolution is statistically improbable. Prove Man evolved.

Just because some species became extinct is not an indication of evolution.

Today we have people who study genetics and want to do cloning. It is not too absurd to thing mankind or an intelligent being could create a person through intelligent design. Just think of God as a very smart geneticist. The words for create in the bible that create was interpreted from have a literal meaning which means "To Organize!"

You are right. When you look at individual mutations, evolution is highly improbable. The odds are much, much worse than winning Powerball, for example.

Yet sooner or later, someone always wins Powerball. When you have trillions of mutations occurring over billions of years, even the highly improbable becomes almost certain. That is the basis for the Science of evolution.

Wait, so if the the highly improbably becomes almost certain, does that mean the highly improbable idea of a super-being coming into existinence over the course of billions of years, with the power to create humans, is almost certain as well? Or does it only apply to theories you *personally* like?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: kage69
The stupidity of closeminded people never ceases to amaze me. My poor, poor country.

And then piasabird followed up your post.

Perfect timing.


Oy vey.

Are you sure that 'close-minded' label doesn't more accurately describe your post, moreso than pisabird's? :roll:

I have no idea how humans came to be - whether we grew out of a puddle of gunk, evolved from other animals (that mysterious sprung up), were placed here by being(s) of higher intelligence, shite-out by a passing Space Walrus, etc - but I'm certainly going to keep my mind open about any and all potential possibilities. You, however, seem to have already decided which ones you can ignore. Must be nice to have all the answers..

You don't have to ignore anything, but you can still assign probabilities to each theory.
Just because you can't form an opinion, don't bash those who have.

I'm not bashing anyone, just pointing out the absurdity of calling someone stupid and close-minded because they refuse to agree with your opinion. I think there's a word for that kind of thing.. starts with an "H," if I'm not mistaken.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: kage69
The stupidity of closeminded people never ceases to amaze me. My poor, poor country.

And then piasabird followed up your post.

Perfect timing.


Oy vey.

Are you sure that 'close-minded' label doesn't more accurately describe your post, moreso than pisabird's? :roll:

I have no idea how humans came to be - whether we grew out of a puddle of gunk, evolved from other animals (that mysterious sprung up), were placed here by being(s) of higher intelligence, shite-out by a passing Space Walrus, etc - but I'm certainly going to keep my mind open about any and all potential possibilities. You, however, seem to have already decided which ones you can ignore. Must be nice to have all the answers..

You don't have to ignore anything, but you can still assign probabilities to each theory.
Just because you can't form an opinion, don't bash those who have.

I'm not bashing anyone, just pointing out the absurdity of calling someone stupid and close-minded because they refuse to agree with your opinion. I think there's a word for that kind of thing.. starts with an "H," if I'm not mistaken.

Is it absurd to call someone who believes in Santa Claus stupid? Where do you draw the line?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Isn't 67% about the same as the percentage who believe Iraq was connected to 9/11? Coincidence?

In our new Republican faith-based society, it only matters what you believe is true, not what the truth really is.

 

[kage69]

Oy vey.

Indeed. Lots of' mushugina' (sp?) folk round these parts.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: kage69
The stupidity of closeminded people never ceases to amaze me. My poor, poor country.

And then piasabird followed up your post.

Perfect timing.


Oy vey.

Are you sure that 'close-minded' label doesn't more accurately describe your post, moreso than pisabird's? :roll:

I have no idea how humans came to be - whether we grew out of a puddle of gunk, evolved from other animals (that mysterious sprung up), were placed here by being(s) of higher intelligence, shite-out by a passing Space Walrus, etc - but I'm certainly going to keep my mind open about any and all potential possibilities. You, however, seem to have already decided which ones you can ignore. Must be nice to have all the answers..

You don't have to ignore anything, but you can still assign probabilities to each theory.
Just because you can't form an opinion, don't bash those who have.

I'm not bashing anyone, just pointing out the absurdity of calling someone stupid and close-minded because they refuse to agree with your opinion. I think there's a word for that kind of thing.. starts with an "H," if I'm not mistaken.

Is it absurd to call someone who believes in Santa Claus stupid? Where do you draw the line?

Umm..
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.
.

^
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There!


Regardless, if you are standing next to me and either call my daughter stupid for believing in Santa or my grandmother stupid for believing in God, I'm probably going to attempt to physically shove your head up your ass, or pull it out, as the case may be.

 

[kage69]

I'm not bashing anyone, just pointing out the absurdity of calling someone stupid and close-minded because they refuse to agree with your opinion

It's not absurd to call someone stupid or closeminded if they stick their nose up at the overwhelming mountain of evidence that proves evolution via natural selection. This isn't opinion, it's fact. Anyone who states otherwise is delusional, stupid, or both. Sorry. Darwin was largely right, people just need to deal with it. If that's going to prove destructive to their fragile belief system, oh well. But hey, it's a free country - you can choose to live in a fairytale if you wish, no skin off my back (unless of course you insist on imposing your dogma on me or my government, then we have a problem).