Poll: Creationism Trumps Evolution

[shira]

Originally posted by: busmaster11
If there is one universe only... And that universe has dozens of examples of physics that have been tuned with such precision, where the overwhelming possible combinations would not allow matter to form or suns to provide warmth, much less for life to exist... doesn't that point to an intelligent Creator?

Even if there is only a single universe, what we see in it are only the "success" stories. What none of us sees are the innumerable failures.

You mistakenly believe that seeing an event that might be a one-in-a-quadrillion occurrence by pure chance is proof of the alternative (a Creator). What you aren't allowing for, however, is that the universe has carried out a quadrillion quadrillion quadrillion quadrillion random experiements, meaning that one-in-a-quadrillion occurrences are commonplace.

A pattern seen in the clouds is not proof of the hand of the Creator; it is merely yet another sign of the inventiveness of the human mind.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: earthman
I just read that a poll showed 20 percent of americans believe the sun revolves around the earth, and 30 percent believed that the earth revolved around the sun once every day....so no, this doesn't surprise me. Americans are easily the most ignorant population on earth, certainly in the "developed" world.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/default.aspx?ci=3742

Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question, which has been used to indicate the level of public knowledge in two European countries in recent years: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.

Ignorance seems to be universal

 

[Sunbird]

What if we were created(genetically engineered) by, by what we would call them, aliens?

How many believe that?

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
What if we were created(genetically engineered) by, by what we would call them, aliens?

How many believe that?

lol probably a lot

 

[Caveman]

And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

 

[Abraxas]

That goes completely contrary to the historical trend of using God to explain less and less as time goes on. Extremely unlikely.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future

God is that you?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: daveshel
I'm not so sure this proves anything about ignorance, since the theory of evolution is still a theory. Moreover, it seems to me the most telling statistic would be the percentage that believes that God created the human race through the forces of evolution.

we aren't related to monkeys? I bet your back says otherwise

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
What if we were created(genetically engineered) by, by what we would call them, aliens?

How many believe that?

our genetic footprint was created with the planet, it was just easier during biblical times to put the face of god on a human instead of a tadpole.

 

[Sunbird]

Whats a lot of people here seem to forget is that species evolve over hundreds of thousands and millions of years. Now think about it, imagine how long a time period that is.

Your right, our recorded civilization isn't even a blip on that timescale, we can reasonably track our recorded history only back a couple of thousand of years, not even a quarter of one hundred thousand years.

Given that immense timescale, stuff like evolution can happen.

And we as humans are evolving as we sit in front of these PC's. Overall the population is becoming obese, so maybe in the future our bodies will evolve to handle the side effects of being obese and everybody will be obese and our psychology would chance and we would all find fat people very sexy so we continue to reproduce and further the species.

There is also the fact that people are increasingly born without incisors (fangs) or with jaws to narrow for the incisors because we don't need them anymore with our current lifestyle and they will start dissapearing, it may take a couple of thousand years, but it is possible.

Who knows, maybe the same will happen with our brains since so many people seem not to be using them?

 

[MikeO]

Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education

Shocking.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

Your nickname suits you well.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: daveshel
I'm not so sure this proves anything about ignorance, since the theory of evolution is still a theory. Moreover, it seems to me the most telling statistic would be the percentage that believes that God created the human race through the forces of evolution.

we aren't related to monkeys? I bet your back says otherwise

Ewwwww :laugh:

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

i think it's funny how evolution has taken us this far.... billions of years, through ice ages, natural disaters that would pale by comparison today's catastrophes. worked our way up the food chain and achieved cognitive reasoning........

ONLY TO THROW IT ALL AWAY IN A COSMIC BLINK. what evolutionary path are we on? what strides are we making to better our species? did evolution take us this far so that our selfishness could ruin it? we don't have a set place in the ecological scheme of things. we're an anomoly. we don't conform to the rules the rest of the animal kingdom does. we maintain no symbiotic relationship with the rest of the living world. we take and never give back. is it out of necessity? certainly not! how is that a process of evolution? have we evolved so far as to leave evolution behind?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

Statistical impossibilities?

Given that we have no idea how many different sets of physical laws could create life, and no idea how many previous (or concurrent) universes there have been, statistical improbability isn't very relevant.

It's highly unlikely that I.D. is in my future; it's junk science now, and it will still be junk science in 'several decades'.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Another reason I support the H1B visa program

Exactly. America is growing into an ingnorant mass of lazy rednecks strung along by right wing nuts who lie with a stright face. I fully expect us become a non-superpower country very soon. Cheap oil and imperilism won't trump true progress for long.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

true progress???

where?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Frankly, I am very happy I went to grade school when I did. We said the pledge of allegience, had good milk at lunch, and learned that we EVOLVED over millions of years from Australopithecus afarensis to the slick bi-peds we are today (for the record Australopithecus afarensis was a bipedal creature as well)

So, evolution exists, just not in sharks, alligators, crocodiles, neo-cons, or religious zealots.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

You might be interested to realize that artificial life experiments repeatably evolve complex structures that ID advocates claim are "statistically impossible."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030508075843.htm

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

Your nickname suits you well.

Was just going to say the same thing!

Theorys proven to such a degree as evolution, like relativity or even classical physics, almost never get thrown into the dust bin. We often find that theres something deeper that furthers our understanding, but it does not invalidate the previous theories necessarily.

I.D. is a crock of sh*t. When will you damn creationists understand that evolution does is not incompatible with christianity?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

Your nickname suits you well.

Was just going to say the same thing!

Theorys proven to such a degree as evolution, like relativity or even classical physics, almost never get thrown into the dust bin. We often find that theres something deeper that furthers our understanding, but it does not invalidate the previous theories necessarily.

I.D. is a crock of sh*t. When will you damn creationists understand that evolution does is not incompatible with christianity?

When they stop trying to use the Bible to answer every question on earth. One day, these Fund-A-Mentals will have the evidence so plainly displayed that the Bible is more fiction than fact that they *can't* deny it, lest they be thrown into an insane asylum.


Hmm....why wait?

 

[fornax]

Caveman, you wouldn't recognize _real science_ if it painted itself purple
and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing '"real science is here"...

With apologies to Rowan Atkinson

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

Your nickname suits you well.

Was just going to say the same thing!

Theorys proven to such a degree as evolution, like relativity or even classical physics, almost never get thrown into the dust bin. We often find that theres something deeper that furthers our understanding, but it does not invalidate the previous theories necessarily.

I.D. is a crock of sh*t. When will you damn creationists understand that evolution does is not incompatible with christianity?

When they stop trying to use the Bible to answer every question on earth. One day, these Fund-A-Mentals will have the evidence so plainly displayed that the Bible is more fiction than fact that they *can't* deny it, lest they be thrown into an insane asylum.


Hmm....why wait?

That point passed at least a century ago. Like I've said before, I can blame a person only so much who hasnt been educated for one reason or another. Its now reached the point that any attempt to take the words of the bible, or any other scripture literally, is just childish ignorance.

But to those like caveman who appear to know how to read, and yet still spew this kind of garbage, I have only disgust.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Caveman
And so it goes... The smarter we get, the more we realize just how "dumb" some of our ideas are... evolution is a passing fad... I.D. is in our future; more and more scientists are understanding the nature of statistical impossibilities (even given an infinite timeframe). Assumption is that within several decades, we'll have "evolved" enough to understand that believing in evolution will be much like believing the world is flat.

There will be repeatable experiements for determining/classifying intelligent design; this is what real science is based on.

Your nickname suits you well.

Was just going to say the same thing!

Theorys proven to such a degree as evolution, like relativity or even classical physics, almost never get thrown into the dust bin. We often find that theres something deeper that furthers our understanding, but it does not invalidate the previous theories necessarily.

I.D. is a crock of sh*t. When will you damn creationists understand that evolution does is not incompatible with christianity?

When they stop trying to use the Bible to answer every question on earth. One day, these Fund-A-Mentals will have the evidence so plainly displayed that the Bible is more fiction than fact that they *can't* deny it, lest they be thrown into an insane asylum.


Hmm....why wait?

That point passed at least a century ago. Like I've said before, I can blame a person only so much who hasnt been educated for one reason or another. Its now reached the point that any attempt to take the words of the bible, or any other scripture literally, is just childish ignorance.

But to those like caveman who appear to know how to read, and yet still spew this kind of garbage, I have only disgust.

the bible has shown knowledge that proved to be very advanced for it's time. the creation of the earth for example (you're right, only a retard would believe the earth was created in a week). the basic layout of genesis is in conjuction with science as far as the development of the earth to it's current life supporting status. cleanliness as far as illness and washing of hands long before negrodamus. the mention of the earth as a globe some 3000 years before Columbus. it's unfortunate that selfish christendom, or false religion, has distorted true christianity. of course you can call science stupid if you're arguing with a scientist that thinks 1+1 =3. you gotta find someone that is truly educated (like myself) on the subject. toss a sandwich in the trash. sure you can still call it a sandwich, but it sure as hell isn't what was intended by the maker. you can't blame the sandwich guy cuz the delivery guy pooped in your footlong.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
the bible has shown knowledge that proved to be very advanced for it's time. the creation of the earth for example (you're right, only a retard would believe the earth was created in a week). the basic layout of genesis is in conjuction with science as far as the development of the earth to it's current life supporting status.

Which creation story is that? The one that has light before the sun and stars were created and where birds were created before land (did they just fly about munching on fellow birds and flapping their wings continuously?)