POLL: Desktop SSDs, Pls Vote

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MongGrel

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I the future maybe I guess, have a couple SSD's running my OP at the moment and still like having a big HD RAID array on the side as no NAS running.

I built it years ago and still just use it I suppose.
 

Virgorising

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I the future maybe I guess, have a couple SSD's running my OP at the moment and still like having a big HD RAID array on the side as no NAS running.

I built it years ago and still just use it I suppose.

Listen, if it works for you it works for you!!!!!
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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After running SSD's for several years now, I have moved to disk-less on my current build. Prior to this I always kept my 1Tb Raptor involved for storage. Just don't need to anymore.

Whatever works for you. When i can buy 2TB SSD for the same price or less than a 2TB spindle drive, I'm in.
 

exdeath

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Whatever works for you. When i can buy 2TB SSD for the same price or less than a 2TB spindle drive, I'm in.

Whatever works for you. When I can buy 2TB spindle drives for the same price or less than 2TB in cassette tapes and punch cards, I'm in.

I think I see how this works. Purposely stick to obsolete painfully inadequate technology and hide behind a 5% price difference eg: people who build $2000 PCs and upgrade GPUs every year and then bend over backwards to save $100 and pinch pennies on a one time purchase by limiting themselves to 1950s storage technology.

Please wait.... loading.... still loading.... still loading....still loading.... 90 kbps....two days remaining...(Not Responding...)

When your drive access light is brighter and more solidly lit than your power light, you have serious issues.

To each their own... You anti SSD cheapskates enjoy that 8 core HT CPU with 16 threads that will for the most part ALWAYS be idle because of disk latency.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Whatever works for you. When I can buy 2TB spindle drives for the same price or less than 2TB in cassette tapes and punch cards, I'm in.

I think I see how this works. Purposely stick to obsolete painfully inadequate technology and hide behind a 5% price difference (eg: people who build $2000 PCs and then claim they want to save $100 by limiting themselves to 1950s storage technology).

To each their own...

Please wait.... loading.... still loading.... still loading....still loading....

woah buddy, spindle drives are not painfully inadequate. they get the job done quite nicely. I visit facilities that have litterally 10's of thousands of spindle drives still cranking away. Anywhere from 1-3tb 7200 rpm drives, and up to 600GB SAS 10 or 15k rpm drives. Some of these places have multiple sites across the country for redundancy. It's going to be a long time before spindle drives are gone for good.

SSD and flash storage is starting to roll in as more than POC test runs, and more with each new machine. I haven't physically seen bigger than 400GB SSD's though.

My PC didn't costs $2k, because I don't buy the newest "latest and greatest" gear. Such as SSD's. I have two 64GB SSD's, one Crucial and one Samsung. They're in my laptops, store non critical data, and get whatever they need from the file share of my 2TB RAID1. Which can stream multiple 1080p files at once.

I see how this works. Take your solution, and apply it across the board. FWIW, my next SSD will be big enough to replace the drive in the box with teh 2TB RAID1. it will be my OS drive.

When your drive access light is brighter and more solidly lit than your power light, you have serious issues.

To each their own... You anti SSD cheapskates enjoy that 8 core HT CPU with 16 threads that will for the most part ALWAYS be idle because of disk latency.

I added this since you edited while I was typing.

Sorry if this is your experience with spindle drives. Maybe it's not the drives that are the problem. This is not my experience at all.

I'm not anti SSD, I use it for my needs. Which was my point. If going all SSD works for you, then great.

I don't have an 8 core CPU either as I said, I don't buy the latest and greatest. I'm always a couple years behind it seems. Cheapskate, stingy, frugal, call it whatever you want...Can't change it.
 
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Virgorising

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Whatever works for you. When I can buy 2TB spindle drives for the same price or less than 2TB in cassette tapes and punch cards, I'm in.

I think I see how this works. Purposely stick to obsolete painfully inadequate technology and hide behind a 5% price difference eg: people who build $2000 PCs and upgrade GPUs every year and then bend over backwards to save $100 and pinch pennies on a one time purchase by limiting themselves to 1950s storage technology.

Please wait.... loading.... still loading.... still loading....still loading.... 90 kbps....two days remaining...(Not Responding...)

When your drive access light is brighter and more solidly lit than your power light, you have serious issues.

To each their own... You anti SSD cheapskates enjoy that 8 core HT CPU with 16 completely idle threads waiting on disk interrupts.

K....but we must honor INDIVIDUALS as unique individuals. And never harshly judge, forget mock their reality, elements of which we are not privy to.
 

exdeath

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woah buddy, spindle drives are not painfully inadequate.

Yes. Yes they are.

CPU:RAM speeds are over 50 GB/sec Even internet speeds are hitting 100+ MB/sec in some places. The fastest hard drives that the majority of people have can't even saturate a single 150 MB/sec SATA 1 link. And if the heads have to move it's more like 100 kbps.

People only use them because they have to, for whatever unfortunate reason.

The only place that spindle drives are adequate in any capacity is in a data center environment when very large amounts of them are aggregated together in SANs and can deliver 1000s of MB/sec. They are absolutely inadequate in a single drive end user workstation environment.
 
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Virgorising

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woah buddy, spindle drives are not painfully inadequate.

This is open and shut true. Witness the reality of the amazing WD Black on am on right now.

By Thursday, I will know, first hand, if what I was finally moved to do, was worth it or not.

And believe, me only then will I know!
 

Virgorising

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Yes. Yes they are.

CPU:RAM speeds are over 50 GB/sec Even internet speeds are hitting 100+ MB/sec in some places. The fastest hard drives that the majority of people have can't even saturate a single 150 MB/sec SATA 1 link. And if the heads have to move it's more like 100 kbps.

People only use them because they have to, for whatever unfortunate reason.


Please....speak for yourself, and stop making cavalier, broad generalizations.

I know MANY people who could easily afford the biggest SDDs available, but choose not to go there, because their individual needs are being met just fine.
 
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exdeath

Lifer
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woah buddy, spindle drives are not painfully inadequate. they get the job done quite nicely. I visit facilities that have litterally 10's of thousands of spindle drives still cranking away. Anywhere from 1-3tb 7200 rpm drives, and up to 600GB SAS 10 or 15k rpm drives. Some of these places have multiple sites across the country for redundancy. It's going to be a long time before spindle drives are gone for good.

SSD and flash storage is starting to roll in as more than POC test runs, and more with each new machine. I haven't physically seen bigger than 400GB SSD's though.

My PC didn't costs $2k, because I don't buy the newest "latest and greatest" gear. Such as SSD's. I have two 64GB SSD's, one Crucial and one Samsung. They're in my laptops, store non critical data, and get whatever they need from the file share of my 2TB RAID1. Which can stream multiple 1080p files at once.

I see how this works. Take your solution, and apply it across the board. FWIW, my next SSD will be big enough to replace the drive in the box with teh 2TB RAID1. it will be my OS drive.



I added this since you edited while I was typing.

Sorry if this is your experience with spindle drives. Maybe it's not the drives that are the problem. This is not my experience at all.

I'm not anti SSD, I use it for my needs. Which was my point. If going all SSD works for you, then great.

I don't have an 8 core CPU either as I said, I don't buy the latest and greatest. I'm always a couple years behind it seems. Cheapskate, stingy, frugal, call it whatever you want...Can't change it.

It's nothing personal. I just feel like killing myself every time I have to use a computer with a spindle drive. :awe: Hard to justify when it takes almost 30 mins to install an email client on a enterprise PC in a multi million dollar environment when I can reinstall my entire operating system on my outdated PC at home in less than 4 minutes flat. Then again I run 10 gig Infiniband at home too with 1000 MB/sec from SSD PC to SSD PC vs the crappy 1 GbE in said multi million dollar enterprise.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Yes. Yes they are.

CPU:RAM speeds are over 50 GB/sec Even internet speeds are hitting 100+ MB/sec in some places. The fastest hard drives that the majority of people have can't even saturate a single 150 MB/sec SATA 1 link. And if the heads have to move it's more like 100 kbps.

People only use them because they have to, for whatever unfortunate reason.

The only place that spindle drives are adequate in any capacity is in a data center environment when very large amounts of them are aggregated together in SANs and can deliver 1000s of MB/sec. They are absolutely inadequate in a single drive end user workstation environment.

And here's where you entire opinion is coming from. As I said. My 2TB RAID1 keeps up quite nicely. It's not my OS drive.

edit: You know, these same places are using the aggregated spindle drives to provide virtual desktop envinronments so they can eliminate end user workstations with drives of any kind. Pretty sweet.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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This is open and shut true. Witness the reality of the amazing WD Black on am on right now.

By Thursday, I will know, first hand, if what I was finally moved to do, was worth it or not.

And believe, me only then will I know!

You will notice a difference. That is definite.
 

Virgorising

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It's nothing personal. I just feel like killing myself every time I have to use a computer with a spindle drive

Well come visit. Experience the reality of this new/used Lynnfield i7 system and this WD Black I am writing from.

You will learn stuff, have yr perspective broadened..... and not be SUICIDAL.

And, I say that with my first SSD on the way.
 

Virgorising

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And here's where you entire opinion is coming from. As I said. My 2TB RAID1 keeps up quite nicely. It's not my OS drive.

edit: You know, these same places are using the aggregated spindle drives to provide virtual desktop envinronments so they can eliminate end user workstations with drives of any kind. Pretty sweet.

BOOM!!!!!:thumbsup:
 

exdeath

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Well come visit. Experience the reality of this new/used Lynnfield i7 system and this WD Black I am writing from.

You will learn stuff, have yr perspective broadened..... and not be SUICIDAL.

And, I say that with my first SSD on the way.

My perspective has been broadened wide open by a LSI 9260 saturated in 32 nm toggle NAND, don't think any spindle in the world is going to make a dent :awe:

Even my crappy CPU bottlenecked web browsing laptop has a Chronos Deluxe 240GB that almost saturates the SATA 2 link even with randoms. It's a life altering experience when the speed that you can zip 16 GB of data is limited by your CPU running 100% instead of disk access time.
 
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Virgorising

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My perspective has been broadened wide open by a LSI 9260 saturated in 32 nm toggle NAND, don't think any spindle in the world is going to make a dent :awe:

Works back to that "the material" is as dense, opaque and impervious as it seems.

Could also be some endocrine overload.....but we would have to run blood screens to determine that. Forget, that.....would take time.

Good you can't conceive and gestate a new human. Would optimally take 9 mos.
 
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ch33zw1z

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My perspective has been broadened wide open by a LSI 9260 saturated in 32 nm toggle NAND, don't think any spindle in the world is going to make a dent :awe:

Even my crappy CPU bottlenecked web browsing laptop has a Chronos Deluxe 240GB that almost saturates the SATA 2 link even with randoms.

So you want to compare a server class controller to what standard desktops use?

I think I see how this works. Purposely stick to obsolete painfully inadequate technology and hide behind a 5% price difference eg: people who build $2000 PCs and upgrade GPUs every year and then bend over backwards to save $100 and pinch pennies on a one time purchase by limiting themselves to 1950s storage technology.

good thing were both not the person you described.

Which $100 will be pinched between a 2TB spindle and a 2TB SSD? Or did you want to add a zero or two to some numbers.
 

exdeath

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Good you can't conceive and gestate a new human. Would optimally take 9 mos.

Yeah but people don't promise an expectation of 500 billion operations per second and then bait and switch with "please wait... loading..." trivial data sets either. I tell you what, if I could do 500 billion things per second, the last thing you'd hear from me is "please wait".
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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Whatever works for you. When I can buy 2TB spindle drives for the same price or less than 2TB in cassette tapes and punch cards, I'm in.

I think I see how this works. Purposely stick to obsolete painfully inadequate technology and hide behind a 5% price difference eg: people who build $2000 PCs and upgrade GPUs every year and then bend over backwards to save $100 and pinch pennies on a one time purchase by limiting themselves to 1950s storage technology.

Please wait.... loading.... still loading.... still loading....still loading.... 90 kbps....two days remaining...(Not Responding...)

When your drive access light is brighter and more solidly lit than your power light, you have serious issues.

To each their own... You anti SSD cheapskates enjoy that 8 core HT CPU with 16 threads that will for the most part ALWAYS be idle because of disk latency.
Obviously you don't.
 

Virgorising

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Yeah but people don't promise an expectation of 500 billion operations per second and then bait and switch with "please wait... loading..." trivial data sets either. I tell you what, if I could do 500 billion things per second, the last thing you'd hear from me is "please wait".

I have not once, so far, felt victim of bait and switch. Trust me, getting the new SSD was an indulgence for me. Not about money, about for my needs; this system, esp since getting the WD Black, not once has caused me any frustration at all.

If I boot into my much slower backup drive, it does.

And why would U EVAH wanna do 500 billion things per second? Have you any clue THE WONDER you would miss THIS MOMENT, EVERY moment IN POTENTIAL?

Pls chill.
 
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