POll: Did you circumcise your son, if he was born in the past 5 years?

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: SammyJr
I concede nothing on the HPV issue. We have millions of cut dicks in this country and 1 in 4 teenage girls has HPV. It isn't doing shit.

I see that facts aren't going to get in the way of your opinions. No sense keeping on with someone who clearly would still be clinging to his doggy-dick no matter the evidence. Humans no longer sleep in the dirt nor run through the thickets naked, while female hygiene is much better than it was 100,000 years ago, and thus don't need a flap of skin whose biological purpose is to protect the penis from injury and infection by harboring its own colony of competitive goo-producing bacteria (normal flora).

BTW, as our rates of circumcision drop, our rates of HPV have increased.

Circumcision reduces risk of herpes and HPV infection

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: SammyJr
I concede nothing on the HPV issue. We have millions of cut dicks in this country and 1 in 4 teenage girls has HPV. It isn't doing shit.

I see that facts aren't going to get in the way of your opinions. No sense keeping on with someone who clearly would still be clinging to his doggy-dick no matter the evidence. Humans no longer sleep in the dirt nor run through the thickets naked, while female hygiene is much better than it was 100,000 years ago, and thus don't need a flap of skin whose biological purpose is to protect the penis from injury and infection by harboring its own colony of competitive goo-producing bacteria (normal flora).

BTW, as our rates of circumcision drop, our rates of HPV have increased.

Circumcision reduces risk of herpes and HPV infection

Google HPV.

The top links are from the CDC. They are heavily promoting vaccination and it is being considered for boys.

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/

Only one page mentions circumcision and indicates HPV's association with penile cancer. They indicate that circumcised men might have lower rates of penile cancer, but indicate how absurdly rare it is. They don't mention it with regard to anal cancer or other HPV cancers. They also state that HPV vaccine studies are in progress for men.

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV-and-men.htm

A little further down is Medline on the NIH website. Circumcision isn't mentioned there either. They are heavily promoting vaccination.

The American Social Health Alliance has a statistics page, which is linked from the NIH page. It states that 3 out of 4 Americans will contract HPV at some point in their life. Where's the circumcision protection?

http://www.ashastd.org/learn/learn_hpv_facts.cfm

More stats. Where's the prevention?

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/stats07/figures/43.htm

People, mostly Americans, have been trying to find a good use for circumcision for years and will create studies that justify their wants. Too bad the real world paints a far different picture.

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal if an adult chooses it for themselves.

Fixed it for you.

I never chose to be circumcised, but there's nothing wrong with being circumcised. It's really no big deal. If I wasn't already I wouldn't feel any desire to get it done, but since it's already done it's not like I'm crippled or anything. The part about it reducing sensitivity is a non-issue, I've never heard anyone complain of their circumcised penis not being sensitive enough. In fact, the only side I ever hear is how it's too sensitive and they can't hold out long enough during sex. If there was a large segment of the population that claimed that their dick wasn't sensitive enough and they can't get off then I'd think there is some merit to that viewpoint, but there's not.

i disagree with this. my boyfriend actually thinks that because of the circumcision his penis is less sensitive and responsive to oral sex. he still feels great pleasure and lovveesss it, however, he feels the decreased sensitivity disallows him to orgam from it. but we will never know.

i know a lot of guys who cannot get off from oral, and actually, all of those guys ARE circumcised so maybe it IS related.....

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

When you do it "just because" and there is no problem YES!

Your arguments this whole thread have been as bad as the eyelid argument

I am actually not arguing.

MotionMan

You must be delusional then.

You are so staunchly for it I would venture to say either you have a religious obligation to do it or something more subtle.

I am for it at this time. I am reading the arguments against it and examining my views. To examine those views, I need to further investigate the opposing view. As lawyer, I tend to examine differing views by analogy.

At this moment, I would like to understand the issue the anti-circumcision crowd's have based on the "involuntary" aspect of circumcision. In my own life, I had oral surgery and braces forced upon me as a minor for purely cosmetic reasons. I was just wondering how those who are against circumcision view involuntary cosmetic oral surgery and orthodontial work on minors.

MotionMan

I am against that as well, if my kid had no ill effects from his crooked teeth and he didnt want me to give him braces I would not. When it comes down to it I am his caregiver and am there to recommend things to help prepare him for life, I am NOT there to run his life like I would want it to be ran.

Ultimately, his life is his own and unless I am protecting him from REAL danger as in he will surely suffer ill effects or death because of a lack of surgery etc I am overstepping my bounds by forcing a mainly cosmetic surgery (with arguable health benefits) onto him.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Google HPV.

I don't need to. I have forgotten more about health science in the past year than you'll ever know in your lifetime.

The top links are from the CDC. They are heavily promoting vaccination and it is being considered for boys.

That's great. Now if it only covered the other dozen HPV sub-types that have been linked to cancer and genital warts. And what's the HPV vaccine got to do with chlamydia, herpes, and HIV again?

The American Social Health Alliance has a statistics page, which is linked from the NIH page. It states that 3 out of 4 Americans will contract HPV at some point in their life. Where's the circumcision protection?

Dwindling along with rates of circumcision. HPV rates have increased over the past 25 years, precisely as circumcision rates decreased. The fact that HPV exists in the USA is a canard. Nobody said circumcision could eliminate the risk of HPV or other STDs.

Did you get your herpes or HIV vaccine yet? Oh, that's right, there isn't one. And circumcision substantially reduces the risk of transmitting those, too.

People, mostly Americans, have been trying to find a good use for circumcision for years and will create studies that justify their wants. Too bad the real world paints a far different picture.

Right, "the real world" where high-quality peer reviewed study after high-quality peer reviewed study have proved it beyond dispute. Got it.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Google HPV.

I don't need to. I have forgotten more about health science in the past year than you'll ever know in your lifetime.

The top links are from the CDC. They are heavily promoting vaccination and it is being considered for boys.

That's great. Now if it only covered the other dozen HPV sub-types that have been linked to cancer and genital warts. And what's the HPV vaccine got to do with chlamydia, herpes, and HIV again?

The American Social Health Alliance has a statistics page, which is linked from the NIH page. It states that 3 out of 4 Americans will contract HPV at some point in their life. Where's the circumcision protection?

Dwindling along with rates of circumcision. HPV rates have increased over the past 25 years, precisely as circumcision rates decreased. The fact that HPV exists in the USA is a canard. Nobody said circumcision could eliminate the risk of HPV or other STDs.

Did you get your herpes or HIV vaccine yet? Oh, that's right, there isn't one. And circumcision substantially reduces the risk of transmitting those, too.

People, mostly Americans, have been trying to find a good use for circumcision for years and will create studies that justify their wants. Too bad the real world paints a far different picture.

Right, "the real world" where high-quality peer reviewed study after high-quality peer reviewed study have proved it beyond dispute. Got it.

Substantially? Hardy, its marginal at best. and even in those studies the % is small

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal if an adult chooses it for themselves.

Fixed it for you.

I never chose to be circumcised, but there's nothing wrong with being circumcised. It's really no big deal. If I wasn't already I wouldn't feel any desire to get it done, but since it's already done it's not like I'm crippled or anything. The part about it reducing sensitivity is a non-issue, I've never heard anyone complain of their circumcised penis not being sensitive enough. In fact, the only side I ever hear is how it's too sensitive and they can't hold out long enough during sex. If there was a large segment of the population that claimed that their dick wasn't sensitive enough and they can't get off then I'd think there is some merit to that viewpoint, but there's not.

i disagree with this. my boyfriend actually thinks that because of the circumcision his penis is less sensitive and responsive to oral sex. he still feels great pleasure and lovveesss it, however, he feels the decreased sensitivity disallows him to orgam from it. but we will never know.

i know a lot of guys who cannot get off from oral, and actually, all of those guys ARE circumcised so maybe it IS related.....

Believe me, I get off just fine orally. Skeet, skeet, skeet like a water hose.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Google HPV.

I don't need to. I have forgotten more about health science in the past year than you'll ever know in your lifetime.

The top links are from the CDC. They are heavily promoting vaccination and it is being considered for boys.

That's great. Now if it only covered the other dozen HPV sub-types that have been linked to cancer and genital warts. And what's the HPV vaccine got to do with chlamydia, herpes, and HIV again?

The American Social Health Alliance has a statistics page, which is linked from the NIH page. It states that 3 out of 4 Americans will contract HPV at some point in their life. Where's the circumcision protection?

Dwindling along with rates of circumcision. HPV rates have increased over the past 25 years, precisely as circumcision rates decreased. The fact that HPV exists in the USA is a canard. Nobody said circumcision could eliminate the risk of HPV or other STDs.

Did you get your herpes or HIV vaccine yet? Oh, that's right, there isn't one. And circumcision substantially reduces the risk of transmitting those, too.

People, mostly Americans, have been trying to find a good use for circumcision for years and will create studies that justify their wants. Too bad the real world paints a far different picture.

Right, "the real world" where high-quality peer reviewed study after high-quality peer reviewed study have proved it beyond dispute. Got it.

And circumcision doesn't work as half as well as vaccination, education, STD testing, condoms, and safe sex. Why are you so eager to promote an inferior product? Why is it that most Americans have this hangup about trying to prove their cut dicks somehow make them superior in some way? Get over yourself. You have a cut dick not a magic shield against disease.

I'm sure you could create a high quality peer reviewed study that showed that removal of all breast tissue in newborns would significantly reduce the rate of breast cancer in women. That doesn't mean that it is the right way of doing things or that there aren't better alternatives.

And here's another one for you:

Study: Circumcision doesn't cut HIV in women

"Condom use after male circumcision is essential for HIV prevention."

So if you're wearing a condom anyway, what is the point of the circumcision?

 

[shortylickens]

I was born in '79.
I'm not Jewish.
I am circumcised.

Circumcision was the standard for baby boys in my part of the country. I dont think I'm missing out on anything. I dont think it damaged anything or made my sex life less fun. Believe me, my knob is plenty sensitive enough.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Safeway
I will probably have my son circumcised just so he looks like me and doesn't form developmental issues from being different than his father.

Uh, why would your son know what your penis looks like?

Do you have kids? That talk happens.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
I was born in '79.
I'm not Jewish.
I am circumcised.

Circumcision was the standard for baby boys in my part of the country. I dont think I'm missing out on anything. I dont think it damaged anything or made my sex life less fun. Believe me, my knob is plenty sensitive enough.

Great. Don't cut your kid.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I never chose to be circumcised, but there's nothing wrong with being circumcised. It's really no big deal. If I wasn't already I wouldn't feel any desire to get it done, but since it's already done it's not like I'm crippled or anything. The part about it reducing sensitivity is a non-issue, I've never heard anyone complain of their circumcised penis not being sensitive enough. In fact, the only side I ever hear is how it's too sensitive and they can't hold out long enough during sex. If there was a large segment of the population that claimed that their dick wasn't sensitive enough and they can't get off then I'd think there is some merit to that viewpoint, but there's not.

Well a lot of people are circumcised shortly after birth, so I'd guess that lots of them probably won't remember any pre-circumcision orgasms from all those orgies in the hospital's nursery. (You know they have those, don't lie.)
Kind of like how you don't hear a lot of people complain about how it sucks that they can't see ultraviolet and gamma ray emissions anymore - because they never did in the first place, thus there's no point of reference.

 

[RadioHead84]

I have not had a child, but when/if I do, I would not

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal if an adult chooses it for themselves.

Fixed it for you.

I never chose to be circumcised, but there's nothing wrong with being circumcised. It's really no big deal. If I wasn't already I wouldn't feel any desire to get it done, but since it's already done it's not like I'm crippled or anything. The part about it reducing sensitivity is a non-issue, I've never heard anyone complain of their circumcised penis not being sensitive enough. In fact, the only side I ever hear is how it's too sensitive and they can't hold out long enough during sex. If there was a large segment of the population that claimed that their dick wasn't sensitive enough and they can't get off then I'd think there is some merit to that viewpoint, but there's not.

i disagree with this. my boyfriend actually thinks that because of the circumcision his penis is less sensitive and responsive to oral sex. he still feels great pleasure and lovveesss it, however, he feels the decreased sensitivity disallows him to orgam from it. but we will never know.

i know a lot of guys who cannot get off from oral, and actually, all of those guys ARE circumcised so maybe it IS related.....

Believe me, I get off just fine orally. Skeet, skeet, skeet like a water hose.

lol... TMI
i didnt say ALL men, but quite a few

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal.

Are you circumcised?
Would you circumcise your child at birth?

I don't know if you've already answered the question already or not and I'm not willing to dig through 34 pages of rubble for it.

 

[coolVariable]

Originally posted by: adlep

Originally posted by: coolVariable

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I see mutilation of innocent babies is still alive and well.

LOL! Genital mutilation is some Muslims/some Africans cutting out the clitoris in their newborn daughters.

Circumcision is not mutilation, by any means. :roll:

Yes it is.
Mosaic religions got a firm grip on American culture much??

Ditto, circumcision is a form of a genital mutilation, that is a bottom line
Sorry, just accept it as a fact and when it comes to your time to make a decision for your little one, do the right thing.

Yup.

Could this also be the basis for the stereotype that american men are bad in bed (i.e. shoot off too early)?

 

[Synomenon]

Huh? Circumcision makes you less sensitive (making you less likely to "shoot off too early").


What's the big deal anyway? If you're circumcised, good for you. You can be a little lazy by not having to thoroughly clean your penis unlike an uncircumcised guy. If you're uncircumcised, good for you. You have more sensation down there and look like 95% of the other men on the planet.

If you're against circumcision, then don't get yourself and your son(s) circumcised. If you're for it then get your son(s) circumcised.

A circumcised guy won't know what he's missing if he was circumcised at birth. I've never heard a circumcised guy complain that sex didn't feel good because he doesn't have as much sensation in his cock as an uncircumcised guy does.

Circumcision has been done for years and years and I've never seen anyone crying about how their parents never gave them a chance to decide if they wanted to be circumcised or not.

I'm a little confused about those here who seem so concerned about some other guy's or baby's circumcised penis.

How many threads about this have we had here anyway?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

How the hell is this thread still going? Even I tire of talking about dick eventually.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
How the hell is this thread still going? Even I tire of talking about dick eventually.

Well imo, this hasn't been so much about dicks, but rather a parent's right to make permanent medical decisions for their child. No matter what side of the argument you sit on, it's a real fine line to tread when you are telling people what to do with their children.

 

[GiggleGirl]

i think im done talking about it now. haha

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Well a lot of people are circumcised shortly after birth, so I'd guess that lots of them probably won't remember any pre-circumcision orgasms from all those orgies in the hospital's nursery. (You know they have those, don't lie.)
Kind of like how you don't hear a lot of people complain about how it sucks that they can't see ultraviolet and gamma ray emissions anymore - because they never did in the first place, thus there's no point of reference.

How could you miss such a basic point so completely?

Let me dumb it down to a level that even you can understand:

If circumcised guys still wish they could hold out longer and there are even numbing lotions (and condoms that come with it) to reduce the sensitivity so they can, then why would you claim that circumcised guys aren't sensitive enough?

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
How could you miss such a basic point so completely?

Let me dumb it down to a level that even you can understand:

If circumcised guys still wish they could hold out longer and there are even numbing lotions (and condoms that come with it) to reduce the sensitivity so they can, then why would you claim that circumcised guys aren't sensitive enough?

"Holding out longer" isn't all about sensitivity. Circumcised guys wanting to hold out longer isn't necessarily proof, and doesn't even suggest that their problems "holding out" have anything to do with how sensitive they are or aren't. Let's assume physical sensation is identical... would you have trouble holding out longer with a swimsuit model or Rosie O'Donnell? C'mon... just picture it =)

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
How could you miss such a basic point so completely?

Let me dumb it down to a level that even you can understand:

If circumcised guys still wish they could hold out longer and there are even numbing lotions (and condoms that come with it) to reduce the sensitivity so they can, then why would you claim that circumcised guys aren't sensitive enough?

I saw your point easily, but disregarded it as a irrelevant anyway. Holding out is about state of mind, and mental control and discipline, which many people seem to lack these days.

My post was about sensation and feeling. The foreskin has a LOT of nerves in it. Dice that off, and a lot of the sensation goes away. My point was that most people can't say, "I'm just as sensitive after being circumcised," because they have no way of knowing how things were beforehand.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
How could you miss such a basic point so completely?

Let me dumb it down to a level that even you can understand:

If circumcised guys still wish they could hold out longer and there are even numbing lotions (and condoms that come with it) to reduce the sensitivity so they can, then why would you claim that circumcised guys aren't sensitive enough?

I saw your point easily, but disregarded it as a irrelevant anyway. Holding out is about state of mind, and mental control and discipline, which many people seem to lack these days.

My post was about sensation and feeling. The foreskin has a LOT of nerves in it. Dice that off, and a lot of the sensation goes away. My point was that most people can't say, "I'm just as sensitive after being circumcised," because they have no way of knowing how things were beforehand.

You seem way too emotionally invested in this discussion. It's not really a big deal.

And how can the circumcised guys say that guys who were circumcised shortly after birth are lacking feeling? If they've never experienced it the other way they're just talking out of their ass.

Why is it that the people who are really enthusiastic about this debate are the uncircumcised guys? Seriously, it's pathetic. You're all coming off as insecure kids who are trying in vain to prove something. It's not working.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Why is it that the people who are really enthusiastic about this debate are the uncircumcised guys? Seriously, it's pathetic. You're all coming off as insecure kids who are trying in vain to prove something. It's not working.

I'm cut and I think newborn circumcision is wrong.

Read back through the thread. There are a lot of cut guys that are at least as insecure and create massive posts justifying how their cut dick gives them great advantages against disease and how it is lusted after by all women everywhere.