[POLL] Do you believe the U.S. can lose this war?

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Kenazo

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Sep 15, 2000
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I too will voice the "In war anything can happen" statement. However, I believe they will win.
 

Mookow

Lifer
Apr 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Kenazo
I too will voice the "In war anything can happen" statement. However, I believe they will win.


That should have been an option in the poll
 

Yossarian

Lifer
Dec 26, 2000
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LANMAN: Why not?

Mookow: that would be a 'yes' response

I have to say I'm very surprised that 25.2% out of 127 voters picked 'yes', I thought it would be a LOT lower.
 

LunarRay

Diamond Member
Mar 2, 2003
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Originally posted by: Tabb
Its too early to tell if we will win or lose.

This is true.... perhaps. But, The criteria rests in each persons mind as to what win means or what loses means... it is, therefore, a very loose question. The poll asked ....can lose this war? Which means does there exsist any possibility for a loss based on an articulated criteria.
The only answer to that is yes unless all possible scenerios are obviated and I don't think that is possible... you have a lot of "if this or thats"
As time plays out and the intentions of all the players is more cemented It becomes easier to narrow the end game options..


 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: TheCorm
Do you believe the U.S. can lose this war?

Could we change to "Do you believe the allies can lose this war?"

Corm

Er yeah, this is all about "the coalition"
Getting down with the coalition. Estonia is in the house. Lithuania is representing.
Slovenia was on the invite list, but didn't RSVP. Poland is partying like it's 1939.
U know what Im saying.
 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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It's funny how Poland is using one of it's brief periods of not being occupied to support an occupation of Iraq.
 

yowolabi

Diamond Member
Jun 29, 2001
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I like Bill Maher's definition of our coalition that includes "MadeUpistan".

Underlying all of this "weapons of mass destruction" and "regime change" is the belief that the US will be better off and safer because of this war.

If more people in the middle east hate us, and we isolate ourselves from the rest of the world, and if the new Iraq government isn't friendly to us, I would consider that a resounding loss.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
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At this point 44 of you think the US could lose the war. I'll admit that it could become a standstill, but just think about it. The US spends more on defense than the rest of the world combined. I suspect we have a bomb for every single soldier Saddam has, and then some. We have advanced training methods and technology that Iraq could only dream of. This is not Vietnam. We have tactics for Iraq, and we learned our lessons from Vietnam. The only way we could lose is if public support for the war goes downhill.
 

FishTankX

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Oct 6, 2001
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I think there are two posibilities for loss

1. Act of God (I.E. British saved from the spanish by massive hurricane that blew all their ships away)

2. Republican guard proves too much in urban warfare and it's impossible to win without massive civilian casualties.
 

alexruiz

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Sep 21, 2001
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I also said yes..... I stated before that the USa army is going to butcher Iraq's army, but the eventual result will be the withdrawal of troops..... too many people joining the guerrilla to effectively have control of the country.

If we speculate a tlittle, I guess Saddam learned his lesson in the first war: no frontal confrontation against an enemy with much superior technology. I also think that all the hype about "Republican guard rings" is more propaganda, as Tarek Aziz himself said "Do you think we are going to put are troops in position to be bombed from the air...." Obviously they cannot hide all the tanks in the cities, and those tanks will be scapegoats, as the main force (infantry with portable antitank/antiaircraft missiles) will be in the city. I am pretty sure they know those tanks will be destroyed, but they hope thay can inflict as much damage as possible to weaken the enemy entering the city. Or maybe tanks made of wood "Rommel style"???

No chemical weapons will be used because there are none. Guerrilla will have NO problem getting supplies from Iran, SA and Siria. The guerrilla will kill more USA/British troops than all the Iraqui army. In fact, the guerrilla will get better weapons (From France, Russia, the UK, even from the USA or even made by Israel.... yes, black market baby!)

Finally, my last conjeture is that Saddam is not in Baghdad.... he is somewhere else. The TV transmissions used a double very well trained in the duty. He knows the bombimg is going to focus too much in the big city, while forgetting the rest of the country. Anonimity is the key here.
 

rickon66

Golden Member
Oct 11, 1999
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The U.S. will win short term, but could very well wish we had never started this in the long term.
 

Morph

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Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: alexruiz
I also said yes..... I stated before that the USa army is going to butcher Iraq's army, but the eventual result will be the withdrawal of troops..... too many people joining the guerrilla to effectively have control of the country.

If we speculate a tlittle, I guess Saddam learned his lesson in the first war: no frontal confrontation against an enemy with much superior technology. I also think that all the hype about "Republican guard rings" is more propaganda, as Tarek Aziz himself said "Do you think we are going to put are troops in position to be bombed from the air...." Obviously they cannot hide all the tanks in the cities, and those tanks will be scapegoats, as the main force (infantry with portable antitank/antiaircraft missiles) will be in the city. I am pretty sure they know those tanks will be destroyed, but they hope thay can inflict as much damage as possible to weaken the enemy entering the city. Or maybe tanks made of wood "Rommel style"???

No chemical weapons will be used because there are none. Guerrilla will have NO problem getting supplies from Iran, SA and Siria. The guerrilla will kill more USA/British troops than all the Iraqui army. In fact, the guerrilla will get better weapons (From France, Russia, the UK, even from the USA or even made by Israel.... yes, black market baby!)

Finally, my last conjeture is that Saddam is not in Baghdad.... he is somewhere else. The TV transmissions used a double very well trained in the duty. He knows the bombimg is going to focus too much in the big city, while forgetting the rest of the country. Anonimity is the key here.

I agree with everything you said. Except for the part about Saddam's body double.

 

seawolf21

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Feb 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: FishTankX
I think there are two posibilities for loss

1. Act of God (I.E. British saved from the spanish by massive hurricane that blew all their ships away)

2. Republican guard proves too much in urban warfare and it's impossible to win without massive civilian casualties.

Another possiblity.....a bit more chance of happening than Act of God but not by much....Arab nations finally setting aside their differences, decides that they won't want our money and shut the oil spigot off forcing a diplomatic settlement.
 

Yossarian

Lifer
Dec 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: Soldat
there should be another option 'please don't make me laugh'

The will of the U.S. public to fight will give out before the ability of the military to do so.
 

BaliBabyDoc

Lifer
Jan 20, 2001
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win = U.S. achieves its military objective, to topple the Iraqi regime by killing Saddam

Bush and CentCom have made it clear they will do WHATEVER it takes to claim such a victory. By that definition of course we are going to win . . . but unless Saddam or his underlords surrender . . . it will definitely be a pyrrhic victory. I hope Bush isn't serious when he makes such passionate entreaties. Saddam is dangerous b/c he is SERIOUS. There's probably no limit to his depravity . . . if you offered him a great weapon in exchange for little Uday or Qasi (whatever) . . . he would probably slit their throats himself.

I support Bush's ultimate goal but deplore his means. The typical American SHOULD say there is a limit to the amount of death and destruction we will accept. Bush wants America to believe invading Iraq is part of the war against terrorism . . . which I think is a bunch of BS. Even accepting his premise leaves America wanting when it comes to finding allies to fight terrorism. What hope do we have for combating such ills if the world's greatest sponsor, Saudi Arabia, is in one breath an ally but in the next handing us walking papers?

You twits rant about France, Russia, and China but ignore the ugliness festering in SA, Pakistan, Yemen, et al. France may want oil. Russia may sell weapons. China . . . well China just wants to keep Walmart in business. But NONE of them shoot at us or pilot airplanes into buildings . . . that honor is saved for our allies.
 

T2T III

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Just like in a card game, the coalition forces haven't played their Kings and Aces yet. We have the cards, but they have not been played.
 
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