POLL: Do you drive an American Car?

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Jerboy

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<< LOL, buy a real car, or at least a real engine... not a matchbox toy >>



Why? I dont need a bigger engine to pull me around, perhaps you do?

- It gets me where I need to go.
- It is a real car, with a real engine, or have i been sleeping for a year since I learned to drive?
- I dont want a bigger car. - Lighter cars get better fuel economy.
- Why should I spend more on a car with a bigger engine, and then more per week on fuel, just to get some respect from you? I have better things to do.

TBH youre not even funny. Try living in the real world where emissions actually mean something.
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What kind of things about car does young Brits talk about? At our school, girls don't really care us long as it runs, doesn't cost too much, boys they brag about nxy liters, big head, got eight cylinder and some wasteful crap like that.
 

bradolson

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2000 Chevy S-10 Extended Cab

I go with GM primarily for the sweet employee discount. Although we design parts (mainly body computers/mobile multimedia) for other manufacturers, the discounts aren't as nice as GM's.
 

Migroo

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<< What kind of things about car does young Brits talk about? At our school, girls don't really care us long as it runs, doesn't cost too much, boys they brag about nxy liters, big head, got eight cylinder and some wasteful crap like that. >>



Well. First of all, as you'd expect, we talk about the type of cars that are actually available... That excludes the large American V8s of course.

German machinery, like fast versions of the BMW 3-series (328 and M3) and M5 get talked about.

To the non-enthusiasts, all that matters is that its a car.
To the enthusiasts, it has to be a nice car.
And to the people that actually know about cars.. they all have their fave cars.

Cheaper cars:
Mk 2 Golf GTi
Pugeot 205 GTi (1.9 litre)

More expensive cars:
Subaru Impreza Turbo (and variations)

Things like that.

Used cars are far more popular than new ones. For the simple point that unlike in the US, cars lose their value FAST. Its pointless buying a new car, unless you buy a Ford (and its pointless buying a second-hand Ford, as its cheap to start with, but repair costs are big.)

As people dont do high milages, (100.000 miles are a LOT here) if you have a Japanese car and dont abuse it, they just DONT BREAK. Second hand Japanese cars are popular.

In the UK, petrol is extremely expensive, so fuel economy is crucial. Thats normally the reason why gas-guzzlers aren't very popular. The petrol is expensive because our government actually conforms to legislation to reduce emissions proposed by other contries, as it doesnt think it owns the world... *i'm not bitter*
Due to fuel costs, deisels are extremely popular. Yuk

So yeah, avarage cars are:

Golf Mark 3 1.6
Fort Escort 1.4, 1.6 (RS-Turbo for the boy-racers)
Vauxhall (General Motors) Astra
Ford Mondeo (Four door saloon) - expect to see a 1.8 or 2.0 litre engine.

Edit:

The common cars in the UK are Fords, Vauxhalls, BMWs (The cheap ones, like 318s), Older Japanese cars.

Japanese cars aren't very popular new because of their often higher purchase cost. (Obviously due to the repair bills, or rather, the LACK of repair bills for Japanese cars, you can see where the money goes). You might find it surprising that most people dont know what a Honda Civic looks like... Imagine that!
 

CraigRT

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2001 Chrysler Neon R/T

but I love Japanese cars too. 0% financing from Chrysler could not be beat by the Japanese companies....

 

geno

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<< even if accords are overpriced, the american cars under the price range of the accord could compete.

ford focus? haha yeah right
ford taurus? LOL
ford contour? a bigger POS
pontiac? haha
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Chevy Malibu? I hate Chevy cars altogether, but I've ridden in a few of the new Malibus and they're just as quiet and smooth riding as an Accord. The Taurus isn't plagued by the typical Ford problems, so nothing wrong there. The Focus isn't even in the same catagory as the Accord, so why bring that up? Also don't forget about the Chrysler Sebring/Dodge Stratus, the new ones are of great quality and comfort.



<< and if they were overpriced, why are they one of the top selling cars in america and not one of the american ones which can be had for much less money >>


Because millions of people are lemmings with the mindframe that American cars suck and always will suck. You'd be surprised at how closeminded an entire country could be. Fact is, most people who stick to Imports give them entirely too much credit, so that makes them feel better about going back to one when it comes time for tradein...
 

RoninRXN

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All American cars look nasty to me.

Right now I drive a European car (Mercedes 190E 2.6) but I'm in a year or so, I'll trade it in toward a new Acura RSX Type-S (Or Type-R when it finally frickin' comes here.)
 

straubs

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<< All American cars look nasty to me >>



That's quite a blanket statement if I've ever seen one! You don't like how the Corvette coupe looks? :Q


I have only owned american cars (so far) and I've had no major problems. I would buy american or an import. Whatever I like best. I'm certainly not going to say "all american cars are crap and always will be, or all import cars are boring" TIMES CHANGE people. Remember when japanese electronics were inferior? I firmly believe you have to check things out for yourself on both sides of the fence. Don't just listen to what people say. A lot of people will start with a domestic or import and then never actually own the other because they didn't have issues with it. Don't knock what you haven't tried.

I will say this. The american cars usually have the advantage of engine size, and consequently, torque. Torque is what puts the smile on your face when driving. And don't think that japanese engines are smaller just because they are aiming for efficiency...they are taxed on engine size. The corvette pushes 400 hp out of a V8 and still gets 19-mpg in the city and 28-mpg on the highway. Please don't talk about "paying for it at the gas pump." That would be TRUCKS you're talking about.
 

Jerboy

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<< All American cars look nasty to me >>



That's quite a blanket statement if I've ever seen one! You don't like how the Corvette coupe looks? :Q


I have only owned american cars (so far) and I've had no major problems. I would buy american or an import. Whatever I like best. I'm certainly not going to say "all american cars are crap and always will be, or all import cars are boring" TIMES CHANGE people. Remember when japanese electronics were inferior? I firmly believe you have to check things out for yourself on both sides of the fence. Don't just listen to what people say. A lot of people will start with a domestic or import and then never actually own the other because they didn't have issues with it. Don't knock what you haven't tried.

I will say this. The american cars usually have the advantage of engine size, and consequently, torque. Torque is what puts the smile on your face when driving. And don't think that japanese engines are smaller just because they are aiming for efficiency...they are taxed on engine size. The corvette pushes 400 hp out of a V8 and still gets 19-mpg in the city and 28-mpg on the highway. Please don't talk about "paying for it at the gas pump." That would be TRUCKS you're talking about.
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I don't like Corvette. Not my friend's 2000 V8'er anyway. Its not the most comfortible car to drive or ride in. Does Corvette really get similar gas mileage to 6 cylinder sedan with similar gas mileage rating? I don't think so. That V8 is going to gulp some gas at stop and go stop and go in city traffic jam.
 

LAUST

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Actually yes the Vette can get VERY good milage, I have an Supercharged Iron Block version engine of the Vette's motor, My truck is also on far bigger tires and gears and weighs 3X as much, when my truck is back to stock timing I get 18MPG out of it and since I live only 3 street lights away from work thats 90% Stop and go city driving, if I could get that thing up to 55-65 and be in OD with no stop and go I could hit 20's..... So if I can do it with a force inducted, aerodynamic as a brick 4x4 truck, I'm guessing the Vette... oh wait I know the milage, it gets in the high 20's.

Check out the V6's in the Rodeo's, Explorer's, trailblazers, and then a Slew of cars including the all worshipped cept by me, Maxima, and some more of those cars, they don't best 30MPG and if they do it's not by much...
 

4824guy

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I will never probably buy a foreign car and have my money support other people in other countries. That is just me.
 

LAUST

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<< I will never probably buy a foreign car and have my money support other people in other countries. That is just me. >>


You actually have a point especially right now, a big helper in putting us in this recession was cause so many companies decide they would rather shell out the work to a sweatshop to save them money then to pay for American Blue collars :|

I never understood how these exec's think, If everyone and their mother did that, then who is going to be out there to buy their own product? it's only 2 more steps to make

1: Sell out work to sweatshop : save money on workers
2: Other companies continue same trend : Less US workers paid
3: resules from above = Many unemployed Americans with little or no money : No money to buy the products from companys listed above.

Seems like 3rd grade economics to me
 

gregshin

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that's strange in cali i would say at least 50% of the cars here are Japanese. Take a moment to look at your street and the freeway and count how many hondas/acura, nissan and toyotas outnumber the domestic brand and euro. I just looked at my company parking lot and i still see more imports then domestic.
 

Ornery

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"I never understood how these exec's think, If everyone and their mother did that, then who is going to be out there to buy their own product?"

Everybody and their brother doesn't have to pay a grunt $30.00 an hour to twist a wrench. Thanks to jobbing out these cars to "sweat shops" in Canada and Mexico, the average consumer can actually afford to buy an American car!
 

straubs

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<< I don't like Corvette. Not my friend's 2000 V8'er anyway. Its not the most comfortible car to drive or ride in. Does Corvette really get similar gas mileage to 6 cylinder sedan with similar gas mileage rating? I don't think so. That V8 is going to gulp some gas at stop and go stop and go in city traffic jam. >>




1. It is one of the most comfortable cars made with that level of performance.

2. Yes it does get similar gas mileage. Many people don't realize this. I repeat: 19-mpg in the city and 28-mpg on the highway. You can read that in motor trend or car & driver.
 

LAUST

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<< Once you go German, you;ll never go back >>


Hmm don't see one German mobile that pulls a 10,000lb trailor, then goes up a 4x4 trail or hauls 700lbs of SOD to fix what your G/F's puppy has tore up that summer.... Have to stay with my big Iron Truck
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M-B Gelenwagen
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Mmmm Great 4x4 basically German Army Jeep... but it ain't a Hauler and a Tower, I would love to get more 4x4 in then I do, but unfortunantly I trailor and haul much more.
 

Blundar

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85 CRX si hybrid with JDM ZC engine, 35% more power/torque than stock minimum

91 CRX HF w/ no engine - B20/H22 drag car
 

Midnight Rambler

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<< Compare a Japanese vehicle THAT'S MADE HERE, IN THE USA with an American vehicle (obviously made here in the USA) and the difference in quality control is very obvious. That and the quality of materials used is very different as well. >>

Complete, utter BS ... there is no difference in QC these days, and as for materials, they all come from the same suppliers and the fact is that Japanese vehicles often have LOWER quality standards and specifications for components/materials. As an Eng. Director/former designer with 25 yrs. of experience in the industry and working for a Tier One supplier (spunoff from a "Major") to almost every major automotive nameplate in the world, I've got facts not fiction. And I'm regularly on location at all of the "major assemblers", so I see how they build their cars; in fact, the only major car companies in the world whose operations I am not familiar with/do not visit, are the Korean assemblers, and I imagine I will soon be hooking up with what is left of Daewoo as we are buying them out. Harp all you want about the aesthetics of design of American cars, I too am not always thrilled with some of the styles, as well as interior designs. But denigrating a company or industry in general (ie. American originals) on the basis of aesthetics of design is hogwash. In the bigger scope of things, style or looks has nothing to do with quality, performance, or product life.


As for the poll, I obviously buy/drive an American car, and not a Japanese-owned (or any other foreign-owned) built-in-America. I have nothing against most of those companies though, and do business with all of them, and most of them are indeed excellent manufacturer's. But there is one company who I will not support, and that is Honda of N. America. Sorry to say, but the moral conscience and soul of that company died along with Mr. Honda in '92. In order to get a typical manufacturing job at Honda now days, you must hire in as a temp, through an agency, and with little/no benefits. The going rate is $9.35 to $10-something, depending on shift. You are not asked if you want to work OT, you are told. Otherwise, hit the door. If you persist long enough, maybe after working as a temp for 2 years or more, you might get lucky and get on full-time, but your chances are not great. Mgmt. treats these "slaves" like dirt, and there are definite lines of demarcation from full-time worker to "temp" as far as treatment. We're talking about jobs that are very hard work, under difficult and dangerous conditions, and often with long-term effects (ergonomics can never totally prevent injury from repetitive motion work). Yet Honda pays them the wages of a fast food employee, and treats them perhaps even worse. But it's not like the full-time workers are exactly happy either, Honda is trying to renege on their retirement program/benefits. The UAW may have lost the recent battle with other Japanese companies to organize their N. American workers, but there's a real good chance that the UAW will win the vote of Honda of America workers. And if they are able to withstand the intimidation and other threats/techniques that are typically used by a Japanese parent company to keep an Union out, and are somehow able to still get enough workers to vote to join the Union, Honda will get their just reward.
 

RossMAN

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My 1994 Toyota Corolla was manufactured in the USA.

However the corporate headquarters for Toyota is located in Asia.
 

CocaCola5

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<< Compare a Japanese vehicle THAT'S MADE HERE, IN THE USA with an American vehicle (obviously made here in the USA) and the difference in quality control is very obvious. That and the quality of materials used is very different as well. >>

Complete, utter BS ... there is no difference in QC these days, and as for materials, they all come from the same suppliers and the fact is that Japanese vehicles often have LOWER quality standards and specifications for components/materials. As an Eng. Director/former designer with 25 yrs. of experience in the industry and working for a Tier One supplier (spunoff from a "Major") to almost every major automotive nameplate in the world, I've got facts not fiction. And I'm regularly on location at all of the "major assemblers", so I see how they build their cars; in fact, the only major car companies in the world whose operations I am not familiar with/do not visit, are the Korean assemblers, and I imagine I will soon be hooking up with what is left of Daewoo as we are buying them out. Harp all you want about the aesthetics of design of American cars, I too am not always thrilled with some of the styles, as well as interior designs. But denigrating a company or industry in general (ie. American originals) on the basis of aesthetics of design is hogwash. In the bigger scope of things, style or looks has nothing to do with quality, performance, or product life.
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As much as the manufacturing has improved, the Taurus is still not a sought after car as the Accord, no way, if the Taurus was a IMPORT, I'd imagine it would be getting less than half the annual sale that its getting now.
 
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