[POLL] Do You Support Socialized Food?

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biostud

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Feb 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Amused
So some taxes are needed to provide saftey and freedom. We just differ on how much and what we should spend it on. And no matter where you put this limit some will say it's wrong, IMHO there's no universal point of right and wrong. It's probably best if it moves back and forwards from time to time, so more get happy at some time.

No. The difference is all equally benefit from a common defense. All do NOT equally benefit from sin taxes, welfare and socialized medicine.

the people at the top of the social structures benefit more from the common defense than the people at the bottom.

Really? so their lives are worth more? Their freedoms and rights are worth more?

The idea that the wealthy have more to lose in times of war or when facing death or the loss of right is simply ludicrous.

Their property is worth more.

I would probably be a lot more unhappy if my house and car was blown up than if my cardbox house was.
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Amused
So some taxes are needed to provide saftey and freedom. We just differ on how much and what we should spend it on. And no matter where you put this limit some will say it's wrong, IMHO there's no universal point of right and wrong. It's probably best if it moves back and forwards from time to time, so more get happy at some time.

No. The difference is all equally benefit from a common defense. All do NOT equally benefit from sin taxes, welfare and socialized medicine.

the people at the top of the social structures benefit more from the common defense than the people at the bottom.

Really? so their lives are worth more? Their freedoms and rights are worth more?

The idea that the wealthy have more to lose in times of war or when facing death or the loss of right is simply ludicrous.

Their property is worth more.

I would probably be a lot more unhappy if my house and car was blown up than if my cardbox house was.

Dead is dead. Oppressed is oppressed. How much money one has matters little when facing loss of life or liberty.

The idea that it is somehow different is an idea only held by those with no wealth, in my experience. It's another symptom of class envy.
 

biostud

Lifer
Feb 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: Amused

Dead is dead. Oppressed is oppressed. How much money one has matters little when facing loss of life or liberty.

The idea that it is somehow different is an idea only held by those with no wealth, in my experience. It's another symptom of class envy.

Money can buy you liberty in many cases.

But I agree that the loss of human life is equal tragic rich or poor, but those who own things does have more to loose than those who don't.
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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..there is no free lunch. Dinner or breakfast either. The Tax Payer will have to pay (you/me) if you "socialize" meals. And foodstamps and other "social" giveaways are already in place..via the TAX PAYER.
 

krcat1

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I think some of you do not understand that the food industry is somewhat socialized. Sometime I think that the red in certain red states come from the Soviet flag.

 
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Originally posted by: krcat1
I think some of you do not understand that the food industry is somewhat socialized. Sometime I think that the red in certain red states come from the Soviet flag.

So the blue is from what, wanna-be blue blooded aristocracy that still believe in the divine right of kings?
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
the people at the top of the social structures benefit more from the common defense than the people at the bottom.

Really? so their lives are worth more? Their freedoms and rights are worth more?

The idea that the wealthy have more to lose in times of war or when facing death or the loss of right is simply ludicrous.

who is in control largely has little impact on those at the bottom. but of course, if someone new is in control at the top, then the ancien regime is not in control anymore. so obviously, they have lost something.
 

imported_jb

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~24,000 people on Earth die everyday from hunger/malnutrition.
however, 20 years ago, that number was double, so one can only assume that death from hunger/malnutrition will be history in another 20 years. and probably for the 1st time in human history.
so who cares about letting another ~70million people starve to death?
 
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