Poll: Do you think today is the beginning of end for Trump? [Post-Helsinki Summit with Putin]

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Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Or not

"However, Trump’s performance at the Helsinki summit, where Trump refused to blame the Russian leader for meddling in the 2016 U.S. election and cast doubt on the findings of U.S. intelligence agencies, did not seem to have an impact on his overall approval rating.

Forty-two percent of registered voters said they approved of Trump’s performance in office in the latest opinion poll, compared with a daily average of between 40 and 44 percent so far in July.

The poll found that 55 percent of registered voters disapproved while 37 percent approved of his handling of relations with Russia.

Among Republicans, 71 percent approved of his handling of Russia compared to 14 percent of Democrats.

Trump still enjoys broad support among Republican voters despite criticism from party leaders about his words and actions while standing alongside the Russian leader answering questions from reporters, the poll results showed."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dling-russia-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1K72T1
Perhaps. American politics have become so tribal that there is a contingent of voters who will continue to support Trump and the GOP no matter what Trump does.

I’ve noticed a tonal shift since Helsininki in some of the blue dog Democrat Trump supporters I know. The tough guy stigginit routine is what attracted them to Trump, and after the North Korea and now Russia summits, that facade lays in ruin.
 

K1052

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I’ve noticed a tonal shift since Helsininki in some of the blue dog Democrat Trump supporters I know. The tough guy stigginit routine is what attracted them to Trump, and after the North Korea and now Russia summits, that facade lays in ruin.

Got a few pretty hardcore business minded Republicans round me that are looking askance at this situation. What faith they had in Trump's self professed abilities seems definitely shaken. The adjectives being used are not complementary.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Got a few pretty hardcore business minded Republicans round me that are looking askance at this situation. What faith they had in Trump's self professed abilities seems definitely shaken. The adjectives being used are not complementary.
Perhaps. American politics have become so tribal that there is a contingent of voters who will continue to support Trump and the GOP no matter what Trump does.

I’ve noticed a tonal shift since Helsininki in some of the blue dog Democrat Trump supporters I know. The tough guy stigginit routine is what attracted them to Trump, and after the North Korea and now Russia summits, that facade lays in ruin.
Don't worry fellas. There is a huge contingent of Americans that will never vote for a filthy Democrat no matter how bad Trump gets. 99% of conservatives, 75% (and climbing) of "independents," and 50% of liberals (Bernie Bros).
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Don't worry fellas. There is a huge contingent of Americans that will never vote for a filthy Democrat no matter how bad Trump gets. 99% of conservatives, 75% (and climbing) of "independents," and 50% of liberals (Bernie Bros).
Maybe the Democrats have a marketing problem if independents and Bernie Bros millenials aren’t shifting allegiance in the age of Trump.
 

Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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You know who Trump is reminding me of these days? George Zimmerman.

An intelligent observer could tell from the start that both were serious problems and should've been stopped in their tracks. Both get away with it because enough of the right people believe their lies. And both have seemingly bent over backwards to prove their critics right. If their last bit of egregious behaviour wasn't enough, they do something that much more horrible to make another chunk of the faithful question their support.
 
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glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
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Corruption Message Gaining Traction Against GOP.

My heart says just maybe
- I do see SOME movement from Republicans. Did something finally tick?

My brain says lol no. These lemmings will follow him to jail because white america belongs to them and all of the racists' shortcoming can be blamed on darker folks. Perhaps this is old news by next week. Nothing else changed.

I actually voted not quite sure.

If you think Trump refusing to publicly scold Putin is going to lead to the end of his Presidency that's silly. Hell that's not even the stupidest thing he's done this week. There's plenty of reasons to vote against him without needing to create fantasy scenarios about how a badly expressed thought will lead to his end. This isn't him committing perjury or something and in the end nothing he says is really going to change Putin who is who he is.
 
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dank69

Lifer
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Maybe the Democrats have a marketing problem if independents and Bernie Bros millenials aren’t shifting allegiance in the age of Trump.
I agree. It's definitely not that Americans are susceptible to decades of targeted agitprop.
 
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If you think Trump refusing to publicly scold Putin is going to lead to the end of his Presidency that's silly. Hell that's not even the stupidest thing he's done this week. There's plenty of reasons to vote against him without needing to create fantasy scenarios about how a badly expressed thought will lead to his end. This isn't him committing perjury or something and in the end nothing he says is really going to change Putin who is who he is.

Nope but the Russians sure feel they have some kind of agreement. Maybe they don’t and this is just a distraction but it highlights the poor decision making Trump made about a private meeting and his undeniably weak appearance next to Putin sure doesn’t help.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...n-russia-claim-military-agreements/index.html

Russia announced it was ready to pursue agreements reached by Presidents Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump "in the sphere of international security," though the White House and Pentagon would not confirm any agreements had been made or offer any details.
 

fskimospy

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Don't worry fellas. There is a huge contingent of Americans that will never vote for a filthy Democrat no matter how bad Trump gets. 99% of conservatives, 75% (and climbing) of "independents," and 50% of liberals (Bernie Bros).

Odd how despite somewhere around 80% of the country refusing to vote for a democrat under any circumstances that Clinton was still able to get millions more votes for president than anyone else, haha.

I sincerely doubt this is the end for Trump. The end for Trump will most likely be caused by something that comes out of congressional investigations into him if/when the Democrats take the House.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Odd how despite somewhere around 80% of the country refusing to vote for a democrat under any circumstances that Clinton was still able to get millions more votes for president than anyone else, haha.

I sincerely doubt this is the end for Trump. The end for Trump will most likely be caused by something that comes out of congressional investigations into him if/when the Democrats take the House.
I'm sure you know hyperbole when you see it.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Not to worry Comrades! Orders from Mother Russia will be coming soon that The Donald can talk tough about Russia as long as he doesn't actually do anything. The message will be that Putin is still our friend, but His Orangness will be able to look like the tough guy again and all his followers will be appeased, all the while Mother Russia will still be able to control the direction of American Politics. Now that the next stage of our plan has been enacted there is no way to know that we are the ones funding the political campaigns, so Americans can stay happy in their willful ignorance and pretend that everything is A-Ok.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Trump will have Sessions issue some unconstitutional opinion concerning abortion rights or gay rights or detention camps and the Reps will be right back to humping Trump's leg. No problem is too yuge that a dab of hate won't salve it.
 

vi edit

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I was listening to Morning Joe today and they were interviewing some factory workers in Missouri. They manufacture nails with Mexico imported steel. They've had to lay off 60 workers because tariffs have forced them to raise prices and they are losing contracts to other countries with cheaper prices. In the report they interviewed the laid off people. The resounding opinion was "I like most of his decisions, this one wasn't good, but I still support him".

Russian interference will have zero impact with that level delusional devotion.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Russian interference will have zero impact with that level delusional devotion.

I'm not sure that it is delusion. I think we might just have to accept the fact that they are actually being reasonable. They want something and they know that they are going to have to sacrifice some to get it. They have simply decided that the loss of their livelihood and freedom is worth the cost of being able to discriminate against Women, Muslims, Brown People, and The Gays.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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is there a video clip of that because I would think getting laid off trumps all other concerns.
 
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I'm not sure that it is delusion. I think we might just have to accept the fact that they are actually being reasonable. They want something and they know that they are going to have to sacrifice some to get it. They have simply decided that the loss of their livelihood and freedom is worth the cost of being able to discriminate against Women, Muslims, Brown People, and The Gays.

We’ll see long term constant pain usually causes people to re-evaluate things.
I bet most of those laid off workers aren’t the financial and employment experts that we have here at P&N where everyone who gets laid off seems to get a better paying job with better everything nearly immediately.
Most people take a pay cut that hurts for a long time.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Of course not. Republicans have no bar to lower, Dems don't seem to want to act for the most part. My hope is that they have some plan to wait until after midterms, but they aren't known for having a spine or balls. It's entirely possible this will go the way of the investigation into the Iraq War that never happened and was swept under the rug before it ever happened.

My suspicions? That this goes way beyond Trump and even Republicans. If we had open access to the true dealings between those in power and the unscrupulous none might emerge unscathed. No, that's not "both sides" but a logical possibility of parties owning multiple branches of government, something the Founders did not adequately foresee.
 

vi edit

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My suspicions? That this goes way beyond Trump and even Republicans. If we had open access to the true dealings between those in power and the unscrupulous none might emerge unscathed. No, that's not "both sides" but a logical possibility of parties owning multiple branches of government, something the Founders did not adequately foresee.

The true "Deep State" is the 1% that controls so much of our wealth and policy making. There's no constitutional protection from that.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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I was listening to Morning Joe today and they were interviewing some factory workers in Missouri. They manufacture nails with Mexico imported steel. They've had to lay off 60 workers because tariffs have forced them to raise prices and they are losing contracts to other countries with cheaper prices. In the report they interviewed the laid off people. The resounding opinion was "I like most of his decisions, this one wasn't good, but I still support him".

Russian interference will have zero impact with that level delusional devotion.

I get a chuckle when I see one of the business channels interview some random soy farmer and they're all "Yea don't like it much but we've been treated so unfairly on trade that it's ok" when literally half of the crop is destined for export and prices are scraping decade lows. There is little comprehension that they stand to loose market share to competitor nations forever as they (Brazil, Russia, and others) ramp up production while China looks to diversify because we are unreliable.
 

nOOky

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Maybe it's foolish pride? Coming back from Missouri recently, and the wheat farmers are selling at $4 a bushel lower right now before it drops even more. They'll ruin their jobs and finances before they'll admit a good god-fearing man like Trump isn't as smart as that half black guy that was the ruination of this country.

They won't admit that he hasn't actually done anything, because wrecking Obama's legacy is that important to these backward idiots. I hate to call people names simply because they don't have Ivy league degrees, but even uneducated rubes can have street smarts and common sense, but they are rising over and above even basic common sense and striving for total idiocy.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I was listening to Morning Joe today and they were interviewing some factory workers in Missouri. They manufacture nails with Mexico imported steel. They've had to lay off 60 workers because tariffs have forced them to raise prices and they are losing contracts to other countries with cheaper prices. In the report they interviewed the laid off people. The resounding opinion was "I like most of his decisions, this one wasn't good, but I still support him".

Russian interference will have zero impact with that level delusional devotion.
So if Trump were shoot one of their family members on 5th ave as a sacrifice they would still support him. Those people are permanently lost.

I would ask the laid off people which one of his decisions has personally benefited them? Bet the answer is zero.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Maybe it's foolish pride? Coming back from Missouri recently, and the wheat farmers are selling at $4 a bushel lower right now before it drops even more. They'll ruin their jobs and finances before they'll admit a good god-fearing man like Trump isn't as smart as that half black guy that was the ruination of this country.

They won't admit that he hasn't actually done anything, because wrecking Obama's legacy is that important to these backward idiots. I hate to call people names simply because they don't have Ivy league degrees, but even uneducated rubes can have street smarts and common sense, but they are rising over and above even basic common sense and striving for total idiocy.
Backwards fucks deserve to go broke.
 
Feb 4, 2009
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Wow spy craft stuff is so complicated who knew:

Just heard on the radio, private off the record conversations with people like Putin are usually avoided because Dictators know the President does not have absolute power. They can bring recording equipment and try to manipulate the President into saying something stupid, then use the recording as leverage to keep them from leaking it.
 
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