Poll: Do you think today is the beginning of end for Trump? [Post-Helsinki Summit with Putin]

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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Cool, you want millions to lose their jobs b/c of who is the president. Are you mentally ill?
Dick, I said recessions are inevitable. If the next one pries the ass in the Oval Office out of D.C., it will have accomplished something. Have you accomplished anything? Doubtful.
 

VRAMdemon

Diamond Member
Aug 16, 2012
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Every time I think he couldn't get any fucking stupider, he proves me wrong. Although..that is definitely his greatest area of achievement.

Trump - "I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!"

Lmao!...He was standing in the room next to him when Putin said he wanted Turmp to win..

The guy, who was getting his ass worked by Putin on live TV, is now basically laying out the next conspiracy theory...
 

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Elite Member
Super Moderator
Oct 28, 1999
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Every time I think he couldn't get any fucking stupider, he proves me wrong. Although..that is definitely his greatest area of achievement.

Trump - "I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!"

Lmao!...He was standing in the room next to him when Putin said he wanted Turmp to win..

The guy, who was getting his ass worked by Putin on live TV, is now basically laying out the next conspiracy theory...

Yup, there's a reason GOP candidates are retiring at a historical rate. Hell, even the poster child of the GOP and speaker of the house said "Fuck it, I'm OUT!". They know what's going to happen.

So now Trump is laying the groundwork to make 2018 results questionable and rile up his base if the GOP does end up losing the house. They'll fight out every result and drag it out. It's only election meddling when it works in my favor!
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Yup, there's a reason GOP candidates are retiring at a historical rate. Hell, even the poster child of the GOP and speaker of the house said "Fuck it, I'm OUT!". They know what's going to happen.

So now Trump is laying the groundwork to make 2018 results questionable and rile up his base if the GOP does end up losing the house. They'll fight out every result and drag it out. It's only election meddling when it works in my favor!
Politics has never been pretty (at least when you get behind the facades they are always putting up), but the GOP is setting new low standards. We are in the sewer now, noxious gasses, excrement, rats, monstrous beasts formerly unimaginable. Yes, if I were a career GOP politician I might figure it's a good time to move on to something else.
 

Younigue

Diamond Member
Feb 5, 2017
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I used to be the guy that defended every view. I used to believe that it was through compromise and public discourse that we found the right answers. Everyone had a part of the solution and it was when we brought all that together that we moved forward. Liberals were good at maintaining social standards and caring for the downtrodden, Conservatives were good at maintaining the economy and keeping the liberals social programs grounded in the reality of what we can actually accomplish.

But it was posters like you that changed my mind on that. You, and the majority of Trump supporters, don't want to work with anyone. All you are actually interested in is hurting other people to make yourself feel better by making them feel worse. Trump, you, and all the people like you are nothing more than school yard bullies. You are so full of anger you can't see that your petty antics are hurting everyone, including yourself. But you are happy to hurt as long as you can point at someone else that is hurting worse and laugh at them.

I'm done with your type. I don't care if you don't like that I think you are stupid. I don't care that you are angry. You are acting like a child, so you will be treated like a child. Put on your big boy pants and maybe you can have a seat at the big boy table anymore.

And yes, I know we lost. I know that this attitude doesn't help. But you know what, not having it didn't help either. That is the way of human civilization. Every now and then the idiots get riled up and burn their own houses down. It has happened again and again throughout human history. There is no winning against it. It doesn't really matter what strategy we take, you are going to burn it down out of spite.
You nailed it! This is exactly what I've gone through to get where I am. I actually miss being able to see all sides of a thing. And honestly I'm embarrassed for not realizing sooner that there was a side to most things that was bat shit crazy, cruel and unreasonable. A side that can not be encouraged for balance sake. That's the world I lived in before all this. It's why I never considered myself politically minded because I thought adults were having the conversations. I certainly never found myself in heated political conversation before this campaign.

What it comes down to for me is I call stupid, stupid. The stupid have been emboldened by a profoundly stupid "leader" and convinced that stupid and hateful deserves a voice, deserves representation, deserves policy that makes them feel good regardless of how hurtful it is in the long run, regardless that supporting cruelty can not and will not sustain a country. Holding certain people down rather than lifting all people has worth to them. It's fear of there not being enough to go around in a land of excess and it's greed because having more than others is more valuable to them than the actual human suffering it takes to get them there.

I'm furious and heartbroken that those people within the society got the representation they've be fantasizing about and craving without even knowing it. That's what Trump has done with the Ugly in America, organized and encouraged the basest among us that society is supposed to weed out or they are meant to evolve. To me this feels like natural process has been hijacked.

But yeah, I'm never going to stop calling Trump supporters stupid. I'm probably always going to call them traitors too. Though I am very much looking forward to the day when those fu*ks are ashamed to call themselves that. To the day when everyone is looking at each other and saying I didn't vote for that Traitorous criminal.
 
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SP33Demon

Lifer
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Holy shit this sentence! No part of it would make me trust your comprehension on what you read up on. Buddy, Come on!
I read the exact same drivel you read - cnn, huffpo, the hill are tops. Sometimes more moderate sites like Politico, the atlantic etc
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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I used to be the guy that defended every view. I used to believe that it was through compromise and public discourse that we found the right answers. Everyone had a part of the solution and it was when we brought all that together that we moved forward. Liberals were good at maintaining social standards and caring for the downtrodden, Conservatives were good at maintaining the economy and keeping the liberals social programs grounded in the reality of what we can actually accomplish.

But it was posters like you that changed my mind on that. You, and the majority of Trump supporters, don't want to work with anyone. All you are actually interested in is hurting other people to make yourself feel better by making them feel worse. Trump, you, and all the people like you are nothing more than school yard bullies. You are so full of anger you can't see that your petty antics are hurting everyone, including yourself. But you are happy to hurt as long as you can point at someone else that is hurting worse and laugh at them.

I'm done with your type. I don't care if you don't like that I think you are stupid. I don't care that you are angry. You are acting like a child, so you will be treated like a child. Put on your big boy pants and maybe you can have a seat at the big boy table anymore.

And yes, I know we lost. I know that this attitude doesn't help. But you know what, not having it didn't help either. That is the way of human civilization. Every now and then the idiots get riled up and burn their own houses down. It has happened again and again throughout human history. There is no winning against it. It doesn't really matter what strategy we take, you are going to burn it down out of spite.
Even though your response was to Greenman, I'll respond as well. I wouldn't define myself as a bully, just an arrogant, well informed voter who can squat 500lbs. Partly kidding, of course. As a Trump supporter our main goal is to promote jobs and economic growth. All the other stuff is white noise like identity politics. If we can get more people working (which Trump has) and create more job openings (which both Trump AND Obama have done) then everything else will fall into line. Jobs give people self worth, confidence, and independence.

You taking it personally only means you probably have a thin skin, no offense. How many Trump supporters do you actually interact with, IN PERSON, that you don't like? I bet you couldn't even name 5. I'm not even white yet everyone in my neighborhood in Trumpland treats my family and I with the utmost respect which includes babysitting my kid, breaking bread with us, and shooting the shit with them. Take a trip to Trumpland, go talk to some people there. It may change your mind. Or you can just continue to hold the same boxed in views that cause you to generalize an entire swath of voters as angry schoolyard bullies. It's your life man.
 
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SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Even though your response was to Greenman, I'll respond as well. I wouldn't define myself as a bully, just an arrogant, well informed voter who can squat 500lbs. Partly kidding, of course. As a Trump supporter our main goal is to promote jobs and economic growth. All the other stuff is white noise like identity politics. If we can get more people working (which Trump has) and create more job openings (which both Trump AND Obama have done) then everything else will fall into line. Jobs give people self worth, confidence, and independence.

You taking it personally only means you probably have a thin skin, no offense. How many Trump supporters do you actually interact with, IN PERSON, that you don't like? I bet you couldn't even name 5. I'm not even white yet everyone in my neighborhood in Trumpland treats my family and I with the utmost respect which includes babysitting my kid, breaking bread with us, and shooting the shit with them. Take a trip to Trumpland, go talk to some people there. It may change your mind. Or you can just continue to hold the same boxed in views that cause you to generalize an entire swath of voters as angry schoolyard bullies. It's your life man.

I live in Texas.
 

Younigue

Diamond Member
Feb 5, 2017
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I read the exact same drivel you read - cnn, huffpo, the hill are tops. Sometimes more moderate sites like Politico, the atlantic etc
LOL! Seriously the smirk on my face won't quit.

You proved my point by not comprehending my post. Well done!

Comprehension eludes you huh little fella.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Yeah, that's how Trump supporters think. If you want to dehumanize them, they'll tell you to F off. We don't care. Keep in mind that we aren't saying we're better than people in a smug way. How do you know I don't have more education than you? That I make a lot more than you? or whatever metric you define as "better"...

The fact is, I know I'm better but don't usually say it to people in person. In fact, when I interviewed for my 6 figure job I knew I was better than everyone in that room b/c I could outwork every single one of them - look at their undisciplined fat stomachs. Was I telling it to their faces? No, because I'm not stupid and wanted something from them. Dems should be employing the same mentality. It ain't the end of the world to treat everyone you meet with decency no matter who they voted for whether you feel superior or not. I don't give shit if you voted for Bernie or Hillary since I can usually change their mind in person since I read up on what they're brainwashed with.

I love how you and @Greenman can think that of yourselves and your party, and then in train of thought shit on California, Hispanics, muslims and anyone else who isn't part of "Real America" or questions conservative policies in every breath.

Dems should be employing the same mentality. It ain't the end of the world to treat everyone you meet with decency no matter who they voted for

Har dee fucking har. Learned that lesson from Trump did you? A real gentleman right?
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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I love how you and @Greenman can think that of yourselves and your party, and then in train of thought shit on California, Hispanics, muslims and anyone else who isn't part of "Real America" or questions conservative policies in every breath.



Har dee fucking har. Learned that lesson from Trump did you? A real gentleman right?
Lol bro, I have Hispanics in my family. You must be thinking of someone else.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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Other than your immediate/extended family, I'm pretty sure you couldn't give two fucks about "Hispanics".
I care about the 28% of Hispanics who voted Trump more, that's true. Though a good chunk of the 72% are persuadable since they're already half conservative (i.e. Catholic).
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I love how you and @Greenman can think that of yourselves and your party, and then in train of thought shit on California, Hispanics, muslims and anyone else who isn't part of "Real America" or questions conservative policies in every breath.



Har dee fucking har. Learned that lesson from Trump did you? A real gentleman right?
I have no idea where you came up with this nonsense. I don't believe I've ever said anything against Muslims here, and my half Mexican wife would be less than happy with me if I started in on Mexicans. The California part is a little accurate, but the reason I don't like it is it's to crowded and to expensive. The snarky gentlemen line is actually accurate as well, I treat everyone I meet with respect and kindness.
I assume you don't agree with my politics, even though you don't know what they are, and because of that you feel the need to attack me personally with whatever foolish thought comes into your mind. That's not normal, that's not what rational people do. You've learned a hell of a lot more from Trump than I have.
 
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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I used to be the guy that defended every view. I used to believe that it was through compromise and public discourse that we found the right answers. Everyone had a part of the solution and it was when we brought all that together that we moved forward. Liberals were good at maintaining social standards and caring for the downtrodden, Conservatives were good at maintaining the economy and keeping the liberals social programs grounded in the reality of what we can actually accomplish.

But it was posters like you that changed my mind on that. You, and the majority of Trump supporters, don't want to work with anyone. All you are actually interested in is hurting other people to make yourself feel better by making them feel worse. Trump, you, and all the people like you are nothing more than school yard bullies. You are so full of anger you can't see that your petty antics are hurting everyone, including yourself. But you are happy to hurt as long as you can point at someone else that is hurting worse and laugh at them.

I'm done with your type. I don't care if you don't like that I think you are stupid. I don't care that you are angry. You are acting like a child, so you will be treated like a child. Put on your big boy pants and maybe you can have a seat at the big boy table anymore.

And yes, I know we lost. I know that this attitude doesn't help. But you know what, not having it didn't help either. That is the way of human civilization. Every now and then the idiots get riled up and burn their own houses down. It has happened again and again throughout human history. There is no winning against it. It doesn't really matter what strategy we take, you are going to burn it down out of spite.
Your fundamental point is incorrect, I'm not angry. I do get annoyed when I see the nonstop bashing of conservatives because it doesn't help. It pisses people off and they dig in their heals and say fuck you. That's going to get Trump a second term.
In every response to my posts the one thing that everyone here seems to miss is that I don't want Trump to have a second term.
My opinion is my opinion, it's based on what I read here every single day. It's always personal attacks, and a whole bunch of you believe that it's justified. The thing is, it's not going to change a single vote. It's not going to get anyone to rethink their position. Perhaps I'm foolish in believing that anyone here wants that, perhaps this really is nothing more than a shouting society where we come to vent and call each other names. It's hard for me to wrap my head around that because it's stupid beyond belief.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Your fundamental point is incorrect, I'm not angry. I do get annoyed when I see the nonstop bashing of conservatives because it doesn't help. It pisses people off and they dig in their heals and say fuck you. That's going to get Trump a second term.
In every response to my posts the one thing that everyone here seems to miss is that I don't want Trump to have a second term.
My opinion is my opinion, it's based on what I read here every single day. It's always personal attacks, and a whole bunch of you believe that it's justified. The thing is, it's not going to change a single vote. It's not going to get anyone to rethink their position. Perhaps I'm foolish in believing that anyone here wants that, perhaps this really is nothing more than a shouting society where we come to vent and call each other names. It's hard for me to wrap my head around that because it's stupid beyond belief.

That's where I found the nonsense, in your posts.
It's completely tone deaf.

You're going to bash "liberals" for being too mean and talking harshly about conservatives.

Conservatives, a party lead by a racist prick who launched his campaign calling out Mexicans as rapists, and hasn't stopped shit talking anyone and everyone since. The rest of the party doesn't fare much better...

So beyond the hypocrisy of the statement, it is even a good strategic argument? As you note, Ds weren't very strong at the ballot box.

Being "nice" to conservatives is the answer tho? :roll:
 
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