Originally posted by: DealMonkey
BTW, now that I think about it, your third question is pretty confusing as the term "enemy combatant" has two sub-categories: lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants receive POW status and protections of the Geneva convention while unlawful combatants do not.
Which did you mean?
Originally posted by: alchemize
1) Constitutional protections are written for US citizens. They do not and should not extend to any non-US citizen.
2) Same as #1
3) The geneva conventions are grossly outdated. The treaties should be modified to clearly distinguish what the "rights" are of
a) recognized military forces
b) "irregular forces" i.e. special forces that still represent the military of a government
c) combatants that do not represent any government and therefore are obliged to no treaty
d) civilians that harbor or support (c) and d) civilians
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: alchemize
1) Constitutional protections are written for US citizens. They do not and should not extend to any non-US citizen.
2) Same as #1
3) The geneva conventions are grossly outdated. The treaties should be modified to clearly distinguish what the "rights" are of
a) recognized military forces
b) "irregular forces" i.e. special forces that still represent the military of a government
c) combatants that do not represent any government and therefore are obliged to no treaty
d) civilians that harbor or support (c) and d) civilians
So how, theoretically, would the forces of the Taliban fit into your definition(s) of #3? I'm curious because the U.S. dubbed them enemy combatants, yet they clearly represented the current gov't of Afghanistan.
I think you misunderstand.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Let me guess - yes, yes, and yes from you. Now why?
CsG
"because ..."Originally posted by: Gaard
I think you misunderstand.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Let me guess - yes, yes, and yes from you. Now why?
CsG
The first part of your post that I quoted is calling for others to state "because..." yet in that same post you fail to do the same.
Where's your reason why? If you're saying you agree with Halos's reasons, where did he state his reasons?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
"because ..."Originally posted by: Gaard
I think you misunderstand.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Let me guess - yes, yes, and yes from you. Now why?
CsG
The first part of your post that I quoted is calling for others to state "because..." yet in that same post you fail to do the same.
"Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive."
Happy now? Are you going to answer gaard or are you going to skip out again?
CsG
Originally posted by: Gaard
Where's your reason why? If you're saying you agree with Halos's reasons, where did he state his reasons?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
"because ..."Originally posted by: Gaard
I think you misunderstand.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Let me guess - yes, yes, and yes from you. Now why?
CsG
The first part of your post that I quoted is calling for others to state "because..." yet in that same post you fail to do the same.
"Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive."
Happy now? Are you going to answer gaard or are you going to skip out again?
CsG
How can you call for others to state their reasons if you refuse to do so?
3) The geneva conventions are grossly outdated. The treaties should be modified to clearly distinguish what the "rights" are of
Yeah, I read it. He gave no "because" for 1 & 2. Did you mean he nailed it on his answer to Q #3?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Where's your reason why? If you're saying you agree with Halos's reasons, where did he state his reasons?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
"because ..."Originally posted by: Gaard
I think you misunderstand.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Let me guess - yes, yes, and yes from you. Now why?
CsG
The first part of your post that I quoted is calling for others to state "because..." yet in that same post you fail to do the same.
"Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive."
Happy now? Are you going to answer gaard or are you going to skip out again?
CsG
How can you call for others to state their reasons if you refuse to do so?
Did you read Halos' post? He answered - which is more than I can say for you. I'll even agree with DM on #1&#2. That most completely reflects my stance.
Where is your stance gaard? Are you going to skip out again?
CsG
Originally posted by: Gaard
Yeah, I read it. He gave no "because" for 1 & 2. Did you mean he nailed it on his answer to Q #3?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Where's your reason why? If you're saying you agree with Halos's reasons, where did he state his reasons?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
"because ..."Originally posted by: Gaard
I think you misunderstand.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Let me guess - yes, yes, and yes from you. Now why?
CsG
The first part of your post that I quoted is calling for others to state "because..." yet in that same post you fail to do the same.
"Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive."
Happy now? Are you going to answer gaard or are you going to skip out again?
CsG
How can you call for others to state their reasons if you refuse to do so?
Did you read Halos' post? He answered - which is more than I can say for you. I'll even agree with DM on #1&#2. That most completely reflects my stance.
Where is your stance gaard? Are you going to skip out again?
CsG
My answers are "no", "no", and "I don't know". If by asking the 3rd question you're asking if it's acceptable to torture or abuse or treat inhumanely any terrorists caught, my answer to that question would be no.
I haven't taken the time to answer the poll. Just say the word and I will...at that time you can check your little numbers to make sure I'm telling the truth.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Yeah, I read it. He gave no "because" for 1 & 2. Did you mean he nailed it on his answer to Q #3?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Where's your reason why? If you're saying you agree with Halos's reasons, where did he state his reasons?Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
"because ..."Originally posted by: Gaard
I think you misunderstand.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I see lots of votes but few "because ... " Come on. Tell us why you think yes or no.
Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive.
CsG
Because...
Let me guess - yes, yes, and yes from you. Now why?
CsG
The first part of your post that I quoted is calling for others to state "because..." yet in that same post you fail to do the same.
"Halos nailed it IMO except for killing them all. I'd atleast give them a military tribunal if they were captured alive."
Happy now? Are you going to answer gaard or are you going to skip out again?
CsG
How can you call for others to state their reasons if you refuse to do so?
Did you read Halos' post? He answered - which is more than I can say for you. I'll even agree with DM on #1&#2. That most completely reflects my stance.
Where is your stance gaard? Are you going to skip out again?
CsG
My answers are "no", "no", and "I don't know". If by asking the 3rd question you're asking if it's acceptable to torture or abuse or treat inhumanely any terrorists caught, my answer to that question would be no.
:roll: it was cute(not really) the first time but your little game is quite tiresome. Halos answered the questions and gave "because". He thought they should be killed.
Now as to your fake answers - the poll number change at the time of your post doesn't agree with what you claim your answers are - but lets hear why you think no, no, and I don't know.
#3 is not about torture. Torture is not in the question at all.
"Should the Geneva Conventions be changed to include Enemy Combatants?" - That is the question. See? not torture
CsG