Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Your point is very dull, because as I have pointed out previously, to other posters, I do not need links to articles about something that I already understand. When I ask for an explanation from somebody, it is often for the purpose of seeing what they understand. When I really want a link, I'll ask for it, like I did with torpid's hobbits. If you don't like the way that I "dance", then start playing another tune.Originally posted by: Garth
Your tapdancing is so transparent only you would believe it to be convincing. You cannot reject out-of-hand the perfect response to your challenge merely because I didn't reinvent the wheel right in front of you. The answers are there, provided in handy reference with illustrations and everything, but apparently you are not interested in finding them. That was my point.Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,
Perhaps you can refer me to where I asked anyone for links? You have not met any of my challenges, therefore, no pretense is necessary.Everyone should note that even when Seekermeister's challenges are met, he will continue to pretend that they were not so that he can justify his wanton ignorance to himself and continue spouting his obviously nonsensical claims.
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
...Originally posted by: Vic
Good lot of assumptions from you... one of the reasons that I stated that I can't stand your arrogant postings in another thread. You think WAY too highly of yourself and your opinions.
Firstly, I never said anything about a universal change, although that is quite likely. Nor did I place an exact date on it, but I would tend to place it far more recent than that.I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly, but I'm reading that you don't doubt it's *actually* 18k years old, but you shrug it off as irrelevant due to some sort of supernaturally influenced change in the universe that happened 10,000 years ago?
I have little in common with Vic's beliefs, because they are in direct conflict with my own on several levels. But as far as his rudeness goes, I have not found it as great as many of the other forum members. It should be understood that for a person to be honest and frank, it might be considered offensive by some. But, I haven't noticed him going out of his way to simply attempt to be insulting.Originally posted by: chusteczka
Vic's postings are usually intelligent but highly egotistic and unnecessarily rude. Although, a truly intelligent person has no need to supplement their own self-esteem by pushing others down the way he does.
The worst part is other people attempt to emulate his intelligence by copying his style but end up propagating the extreme rudeness. This propagation of rudeness lowers the quality of the Anandtech forums and probably discourages many people from participating.
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
BD2003,
Firstly, I never said anything about a universal change, although that is quite likely. Nor did I place an exact date on it, but I would tend to place it far more recent than that.I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly, but I'm reading that you don't doubt it's *actually* 18k years old, but you shrug it off as irrelevant due to some sort of supernaturally influenced change in the universe that happened 10,000 years ago?
I have repeated myself several times, that the fossils come from an Earth Age previous to this one, so why the question. The only thing that I'm in direct conflict with science on, is that the universe is millions of years old, and that evolution is how the lifeforms originated in any Earth Age.
You said you "have asked others to outline the theory in an understandable fashion, and they have refused, so instead I will ask you to explain just one aspect of it, that you believe is most significant, solid and factual." (bolded for emphasis)Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Your point is very dull, because as I have pointed out previously, to other posters, I do not need links to articles about something that I already understand. When I ask for an explanation from somebody, it is often for the purpose of seeing what they understand. When I really want a link, I'll ask for it, like I did with torpid's hobbits. If you don't like the way that I "dance", then start playing another tune.Originally posted by: Garth
Your tapdancing is so transparent only you would believe it to be convincing. You cannot reject out-of-hand the perfect response to your challenge merely because I didn't reinvent the wheel right in front of you. The answers are there, provided in handy reference with illustrations and everything, but apparently you are not interested in finding them. That was my point.Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,
Perhaps you can refer me to where I asked anyone for links? You have not met any of my challenges, therefore, no pretense is necessary.Everyone should note that even when Seekermeister's challenges are met, he will continue to pretend that they were not so that he can justify his wanton ignorance to himself and continue spouting his obviously nonsensical claims.
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
How in the world does that follow? Are you seriously contending that evolution is believed to be true only by a minority of academia? Please tell me this is not your contention.Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
I have explained this several times in this thread and others, but here it goes once more. The Bible doesn't say that the Earth began at the time of Adam and Eve. If properly translated, it says that the Earth started a new age at that time. Therefore, with a previous Earth age, it would have remanents in fossil form that outdates the Garden of Eden. Since this thread is about the difference in the Biblical and scientific accounts of the origin of the Earth and mankind, it should be obvious that this is very germane.
Originally posted by: magomago
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Of course, little did he realize that it wasn't even worth the FAR
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Pssst...guess what...there's quite a few scientists that believe in god, and yet have no problem understanding evolution.
Originally posted by: Garth
How in the world does that follow? Are you seriously contending that evolution is believed to be true only by a minority of academia? Please tell me this is not your contention.Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Pssst...guess what...there's quite a few scientists that believe in god, and yet have no problem understanding evolution.
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: Garth
How in the world does that follow? Are you seriously contending that evolution is believed to be true only by a minority of academia? Please tell me this is not your contention.Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Let me lay it out for you:
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
What makes your tens of thousands of scientists statement so powerful? The scientists with advanced degrees are woefully outnumbered by people who believe in God that have advanced degrees.
I suppose that if what I said were merely a method of attempting to combining science and religion, as you have suggested, then the rest of your sentiments would be accurate. But, the entire assumption is wrong, because it is not merely my explanation, it is what the Bible says, regardless of who likes or agrees with it.Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
I have explained this several times in this thread and others, but here it goes once more. The Bible doesn't say that the Earth began at the time of Adam and Eve. If properly translated, it says that the Earth started a new age at that time. Therefore, with a previous Earth age, it would have remanents in fossil form that outdates the Garden of Eden. Since this thread is about the difference in the Biblical and scientific accounts of the origin of the Earth and mankind, it should be obvious that this is very germane.
I question it's relevance because to me it sounds like a vacuous attempt to sidestep traditional critques of creationism by "reinventing the wheel", so to speak. It's as if you believe there is some sort of merit in conceding that the earth and the fossils it contain can be millions of years old, while conveniently keeping put with the biblical creation.
It sounds like a complete intellectual cop out to me. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether the creation event was 10 billion or 100 million years ago, or once every 6000 years is essentially irrelevant, since that is an act of faith whenever it happen. No one is questioning when creation happened, they question the entire notion.
I guess to each their own, but I still fail to see how this strange idea of "Earth Ages" bears any relevance to the debate, other than being a cute trick to smirk and agree with those that believe the universe is millions of years old with one side of your mouth, and scowl and disagree with the other side.
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Pssst...guess what...there's quite a few scientists that believe in god, and yet have no problem understanding evolution.
And the fact that it is not the number of people who believe a case that make it correct, but the facts of the case. Nobody could believe that evolution was real. Zero people on the planet. And it still would be just as true, and young earth creationism just as much a fantasy.
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: Garth
How in the world does that follow? Are you seriously contending that evolution is believed to be true only by a minority of academia? Please tell me this is not your contention.Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Let me lay it out for you:
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
What makes your tens of thousands of scientists statement so powerful? The scientists with advanced degrees are woefully outnumbered by people who believe in God that have advanced degrees.
That would be only relevant if they had advanced degrees in this subject.
The vast majority of academic scientists are atheist/agnostic. there was a survey done about this. Obviousl you can attribute sampling errors but if i remember correctly 70% of all PhDs in the hard sciences were atheist/agnosticOriginally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Pssst...guess what...there's quite a few scientists that believe in god, and yet have no problem understanding evolution.
And the fact that it is not the number of people who believe a case that make it correct, but the facts of the case. Nobody could believe that evolution was real. Zero people on the planet. And it still would be just as true, and young earth creationism just as much a fantasy.
Very true, that is exactly my point. If you are going to throw numbers around like they mean something though maybe you ought to consider the numbers on the other side eh?
Evolution...Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: Garth
How in the world does that follow? Are you seriously contending that evolution is believed to be true only by a minority of academia? Please tell me this is not your contention.Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Let me lay it out for you:
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
What makes your tens of thousands of scientists statement so powerful? The scientists with advanced degrees are woefully outnumbered by people who believe in God that have advanced degrees.
That would be only relevant if they had advanced degrees in this subject.
And what subject would that be? Science?
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Evolution...Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: Garth
How in the world does that follow? Are you seriously contending that evolution is believed to be true only by a minority of academia? Please tell me this is not your contention.Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
"Seriously. Just look at the inherent problems with evolution such as the fossil record, entropy, and probability.'
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
Do you think that these "inherent problems" that you speak of never occurred to them? Or do you think that some church leaders who probably never took a college level biology course know something that they don't?
...seriously, you think that none of these people with all their experience never got up and said "wait, wouldn't that violate the second law of thermodynamics?" Either they are oblivious to something that only a few religious people know or evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Which one of these do you think it is?
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
Let me lay it out for you:
There are tens of thousands of scientists world wide who have spent the majority of their lives studying biology and have advanced degrees. The general consensus among these people is that evolution exists without a doubt.
There are millions of people wordwide who believe in God, and that God had a hand in creating you and the environment you live in. Many of them have advanced degrees. they vastly outnumber your scientists. Your point has just been blown apart.
What makes your tens of thousands of scientists statement so powerful? The scientists with advanced degrees are woefully outnumbered by people who believe in God that have advanced degrees.
That would be only relevant if they had advanced degrees in this subject.
And what subject would that be? Science?