Originally posted by: naddicott
It is quite curious how
facts split down party lines...
It's not like there isn't a public record of these quotes. The only way I can imagine staying in denial about the facts of the various lies is to take a
nuanced approach, questioning what the meaning of "is" is and such...
I particularly like
this video (windows media) of Rumsfeld being confronted about the "imminent threat" lie:
Interviewer: Well, let me just ask you this... If they did not have these weapons of mass destruction though - granted all of that is true [affirmation from Rumsfeld] - why did they pose an immediate threat to
us, to
this country?
Rumsfeld: You and a few other
critics are the only people I know who've used the phrase "immediate threat".
I didn't, the President didn't, and its become kinda folklore that that's, that's what happened. The president went...
Interviewer: You're saying that nobody in the administration said that?
Rumsfeld: I can't speak for nobody - everybody in the administration and say nobody said that. [int: vice president didn't say that?] If you have any citations... I'd like to see them...
2nd Interviewer: We have it here it says that: "some have argued that the Nu.." this is you speaking... "some have argued that the Nuclear threat from iraq is not
imminent, and that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having Nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain."
Rumsfeld: Mmm hhh... [affirming] and and uh... [int: that's close to
imminent] well! um... I I tried to be precise and I've tried to be accurate. I'm so...
2nd Interviewer: "
No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein and Iraq."
Rumsfeld Mmm hh... [afirming] Ah, uh, i... i.. i.. my view of the situation was that, he he had.... we we believed the best intelligence that we had and that other countries had, and that..." [end of clip]
Those quotes, if you care to track them down, are part of the congressional record from before the Iraqi war. That is, a record of Rumsfeld lying to the United States congress. At least according to my personal standard of what "is" is.... Perhaps I need to be more
nuanced in my thinking?