POLL: How will our ground troops do against N. Korea?

[TehMac]

I for one do not mitigate Canada's achievements nor its military support. I have argued in the past that Canada is the most helpful member of NATO at the moment, which is ironic since Europe was about to be bombed into the abyss, not North America (although I'm sure they were next).

Clinton said that because he wanted to rally more support to his speeches or whatever he was doing, but quite frankly, I would say Canada+ Britain, considering Canada in all frankness is an outpost of Great Britain in North America, just with a slice of American (and unfortunately, French) culture thrown in.

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: lxskllr
Yea, because we did so well the last time...

We did extremely well until the Chinese army came pouring across the Yalu River.

qfmft

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Could this be a perfect way to erase our debt to China?:

1) North Korea invades South Korea
2) United States attacks North Korea
3) China attacks South Korea/America/UN troops
4) United States declares that it will not repay debts to China due to their attacking of American troops.

WalMart goes bankrupt. Dell goes bankrupt. Apple goes bankrupt. Anyone with a "Made In China" sticker on their bread and butter products goes bankrupt.

Yes, China needs Americans to keep their factories running. But we need China just as much. War with China is not happening in this lifetime.

Remember that China doesn't hold our debt; they hold our currency. If things go south with them, they can readily find buyers for their hundreds of billions in US bonds. But their quality of life is already pretty low, so war with them will affect their living standards a lot less than it will affect us.

But besides the complete destruction of American commerce, your solution is perfect. :roll:

most of the manufacturing that takes place in china can be relocated within weeks.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: ed21x
all this talk, and nobody has posted that the south koreans alone can easily take on NK even without our help. of course we can contribute, but right now, our soldiers are being withdrawn to either okinawa, or a new base south of seoul. The SK army has f-15s/f-16s all the same, and has all American-sponsored technological edge to deal with the north.

Where are you getting this information from?

simple public knowledge, its on wikipedia for instance

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
Didn't Iraq have something like the 5th largest army in the world before the US invaded them?

Yes, now they have the worlds largest insurgency thanks to our unwillingness to finish the job. Our continued weakness only brings more death and destruction to Iraq. We must cast aside out pathetic morals, and massacre this insurgency once and for all. Everyone knows this.

your an idiot, eveyone knows this.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Inferno0032

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
It really is true that America has its own version of every conflict that really doesn't fit into reality

There is so much crap in this thread I don't even want to get started but I guess I might as well go ahead and open the Canadian Inferiority Complex syndrome door

First off within the first couple of days of a war against NK, Seoul is gone from 500,000 artillery shells every hour, and any troops on the border are also erased.

But onto the Canada shit

Originally posted by: Casawi
You can't really compare a US soldier to an Iraqi. it's like comparing an African country to Canada... I don't know if that makes sense.

Just like in Afghanistan ( where Canadians are fighting and dieing to protect America from the Taliban), Canada is always given some of the hardest regions to defend and to take. Canada kicked ass in the Korean War and if called on again to help defend American interests no doubt would step up , only to be forgotten and made fun of by America's spoiled generations.
Sad that
What was it Clinton said the other day while him and Bush were visiting "America has never had a better ally or partner"
On Monday we will witness the end of the * the worlds longest and free border* as the new laws put in place to protect Americans from a man hiding in a cave go into effect
People used to be proud of that, but nowadays, you gotta do what you can to keep the spineless happy under their beds

edit- I just can't let this one go
on second thought I will let that one go

Well said, I'm American, just don't take what one person says to what we all think, people who are worth listening to can hold this respect you think lacks.

Canada is fun for jokes, but in all seriousness, I :heart: Canada for their support. I don't agree with all their politics and other issues, but as an ally, I don't really need to worry about that. A country can run themselves how they see fit, and as an ally, there really is no greater ally. Britain is a great ally too, but there is more of a closeness with Canada that doesn't get the same attention as the U.S./U.K. alliance.

Since WWII, Canada has been an excellent friend in allied battle. They've basically been everywhere we've been, and done an amazing job with what they've been tasked.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Inferno0032

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
It really is true that America has its own version of every conflict that really doesn't fit into reality

There is so much crap in this thread I don't even want to get started but I guess I might as well go ahead and open the Canadian Inferiority Complex syndrome door

First off within the first couple of days of a war against NK, Seoul is gone from 500,000 artillery shells every hour, and any troops on the border are also erased.

But onto the Canada shit

Originally posted by: Casawi
You can't really compare a US soldier to an Iraqi. it's like comparing an African country to Canada... I don't know if that makes sense.

Just like in Afghanistan ( where Canadians are fighting and dieing to protect America from the Taliban), Canada is always given some of the hardest regions to defend and to take. Canada kicked ass in the Korean War and if called on again to help defend American interests no doubt would step up , only to be forgotten and made fun of by America's spoiled generations.
Sad that
What was it Clinton said the other day while him and Bush were visiting "America has never had a better ally or partner"
On Monday we will witness the end of the * the worlds longest and free border* as the new laws put in place to protect Americans from a man hiding in a cave go into effect
People used to be proud of that, but nowadays, you gotta do what you can to keep the spineless happy under their beds

edit- I just can't let this one go
on second thought I will let that one go

Well said, I'm American, just don't take what one person says to what we all think, people who are worth listening to can hold this respect you think lacks.

Canada is fun for jokes, but in all seriousness, I :heart: Canada for their support. I don't agree with all their politics and other issues, but as an ally, I don't really need to worry about that. A country can run themselves how they see fit, and as an ally, there really is no greater ally. Britain is a great ally too, but there is more of a closeness with Canada that doesn't get the same attention as the U.S./U.K. alliance.

Since WWII, Canada has been an excellent friend in allied battle. They've basically been everywhere we've been, and done an amazing job with what they've been tasked.

yeap.

many members of my family are in the military. we joke about Canada and the one tank. but every one says how great canadian troops are and always give them a lot of respect.

 

[dennilfloss]

People who say Seoul will be leveled with hundreds of thousands of casualties should keep in mind a few things.

-The South Koreans have had 55+ years to prepare for this.
-Seoul is a huge metropolis and only a part of it is within range of NK artillery.
-As was shown in Grozny when the Russians laid down a murderous rate of fire, modern reinforced buildings can withstand quite a bit of artillery fire without collapsing.
-Most NK pieces are 170mm/155mm in caliber and those will not penetrate more that 3-4 stories.
-If there is the slightest hint that a barrage is coming (and I bet the SK have constant radar cover to check this), then the population can quickly get cover underground and on the lower floors, southern sides of the buildings. I'm sure they've had their version of "duck and cover" drills over the last half century.
-Most artillery casualties come from shrapnel rather than the HE detonation and this can be negated rapidly with moderate cover.

 

[olds]

Back in the 80s when I was stationed at FT Sill, I trained with a lot of Canadians. The thing they wanted most was Coors. They couldn't get it where they were from.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
most of the manufacturing that takes place in china can be relocated within weeks.

jpeyton has his own version of reality. You mustn't disturb it or the hospital ward he's under care in will go mental.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Could this be a perfect way to erase our debt to China?:

1) North Korea invades South Korea
2) United States attacks North Korea
3) China attacks South Korea/America/UN troops
4) United States declares that it will not repay debts to China due to their attacking of American troops.

WalMart goes bankrupt. Dell goes bankrupt. Apple goes bankrupt. Anyone with a "Made In China" sticker on their bread and butter products goes bankrupt.

Yes, China needs Americans to keep their factories running. But we need China just as much. War with China is not happening in this lifetime.

Remember that China doesn't hold our debt; they hold our currency. If things go south with them, they can readily find buyers for their hundreds of billions in US bonds. But their quality of life is already pretty low, so war with them will affect their living standards a lot less than it will affect us.

But besides the complete destruction of American commerce, your solution is perfect. :roll:

most of the manufacturing that takes place in china can be relocated within weeks.

Seriously, we could automate most labor intensive processes they do in China.

Putting a peg in a hole is pretty simple, but it is easier to pay somebody pennies than to order a robot for a premium.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: ed21x
all this talk, and nobody has posted that the south koreans alone can easily take on NK even without our help. of course we can contribute, but right now, our soldiers are being withdrawn to either okinawa, or a new base south of seoul. The SK army has f-15s/f-16s all the same, and has all American-sponsored technological edge to deal with the north.

Where are you getting this information from?

simple public knowledge, its on wikipedia for instance

It's public knowledge that South Korea would easily defend against North Korea? I was unaware....

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: tasmanian

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: lxskllr
Yea, because we did so well the last time...

Reason we did badly is because the North Koreans counter attacked with seasoned Chinese battalions armed with soviet weaponry and Russian advisers.

The army intelligence tasked with surveying enemy movements failed to note this. Although it is to be noted that USMC Companies trapped between the Chinese and the Sea, took a mountain pass between the two and bravely fought off both the cold and the Chinese raiders, despite not being adequately prepared for the winter.


Good try at your own history lesson though, better luck next time.

And you think that won't happen again because?

Russia isnt a superpower like they were back then and china is our ally.

Not really an ally...but thinking the same way as us.

Most people would be shocked to learn the size of N. Korea's standing military.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: ed21x
all this talk, and nobody has posted that the south koreans alone can easily take on NK even without our help. of course we can contribute, but right now, our soldiers are being withdrawn to either okinawa, or a new base south of seoul. The SK army has f-15s/f-16s all the same, and has all American-sponsored technological edge to deal with the north.

Where are you getting this information from?

simple public knowledge, its on wikipedia for instance

It's public knowledge that South Korea would easily defend against North Korea? I was unaware....

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From my previous post:

SK should able to hold its own with 650,000+ troops with their advanced equipments, tanks, artillery, AEGIS destroyers, and air force. The U.S. troops may just provide supporting role and additional air support. The U.S. is planning to hand over wartime command of Korean troops in 2012 anyways (currently, both U.S. and SK troops are under Combined Forces Command, or CFC) and take more of a supporting role.

SK isn't as weak as you think.

 

[alkemyst]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...y_size_of_armed_forces

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

SK isn't as weak as you think.

North Korea isn't as weak as you think.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Dacalo

SK isn't as weak as you think.

North Korea isn't as weak as you think.

You were the one doubting SK's forces. And nowhere did I doubt NK's forces.

 

[deftron]

US hasn't won a major ground war since... umm WWII ?

So yeah, odds aren't in our favor

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Dacalo

SK isn't as weak as you think.

North Korea isn't as weak as you think.

You were the one doubting SK's forces. And nowhere did I doubt NK's forces.

I've seen and worked with them plenty. But you have wikipedia, so I guess I'll take your word for it.

 

[Fayd]

NK's "elite fighting skills" is basically having mastered the goose-step march. that's it

 

[Orignal Earl]

:thumbsup: to those who recognize and appreciate.

But I've been reading these forums long enough to know there is a lot who don't

Originally posted by: TehMac
I would say Canada+ Britain, considering Canada in all frankness is an outpost of Great Britain in North America, just with a slice of American (and unfortunately, French) culture thrown in.

Heh a slice of American culture like apple pie? Maybe basketball?

edit- sorry for the almost derailment

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Dacalo

SK isn't as weak as you think.

North Korea isn't as weak as you think.

You were the one doubting SK's forces. And nowhere did I doubt NK's forces.

I've seen and worked with them plenty. But you have wikipedia, so I guess I'll take your word for it.

I was born in SK and grew up next to the U.S. army base in Taegue. My father was also was involved in SK intelligence division in the army and my brother served mandatory 3 year term as well.

Don't be an ass.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: deftron
US hasn't won a major ground war since... umm WWII ?

So yeah, odds aren't in our favor

The United States smartly prefers to work on the plane where their advantage is greatest... and that is technology, and the highest technology curve is from the sky :thumbsup:

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: deftron
US hasn't won a major ground war since... umm WWII ?

So yeah, odds aren't in our favor

The United States smartly prefers to work on the plane where their advantage is greatest... and that is technology, and the highest technology curve is from the sky :thumbsup:

Ya, lets also totally forget about the Korean War, Gulf War, how we easily trampled on Iraq's actual army (guerrillas are different.), the shit loads of combat we had in South and Central America during the cold war, etc.

Our military is just THAT horrible and THAT incompetent that we are given superpower status only as a joke because other nations are laughing at us. In fact, I hear East Timor could probably take us on.

Seriously?

 

[PieIsAwesome]

No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.