Poll: Is our country more or less safe now vs Jan 20 2017

[brycejones]

Oh the intolerance of the tolerant progressives. You're sweet

No one else in this thread is advocating for the mass death of thier fellow citizens.

You aren't being edgy or cool. You are just an asshole.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Well, if you you are white, christian, a male, and not in any sort of education environment you should feel pretty safe domestically.

If you are a black or Hispanic who is it that's killing you?

 

[vi edit]

If you are a black or Hispanic who is it that's killing you?

We have a president that is an appologist to White nationalist groups. He doesn't condemn hate crimes or terror efforts done by white men while foaming at the mouth to fire off a tweet immediately if a person of color is accused of anything.

Our immigration department is ripping people out of their front yards in front of their families and an administrator just recently resigned from there out of disgust in how they opporated.

That has to weigh on groups affected.

 

[Chocu1a]

If you are a black or Hispanic who is it that's killing you?

1st- the police...black lives matter/ the POTUS... stop disrespecting our flag you criminals.
2nd- the POTUS is rounding them up and sending them away.
Next question?

 

[zinfamous]

Oh the intolerance of the tolerant progressives. You're sweet

Didn't you just advocate the nuking of your country's largest city, simply because you believe its people do not align with you politically?

wait....yes, yes you did.

 

[Challenger]

Didn't you just advocate the nuking of your country's largest city, simply because you believe its people do not align with you politically?

wait....yes, yes you did.

And I am so serious about it I'm organizing a nation wide march to make sure it happens

 

[UglyCasanova]

We have a president that is an appologist to White nationalist groups. He doesn't condemn hate crimes or terror efforts done by white men while foaming at the mouth to fire off a tweet immediately if a person of color is accused of anything.

Our immigration department is ripping people out of their front yards in front of their families and an administrator just recently resigned from there out of disgust in how they opporated.

That has to weigh on groups affected.

But again my question, if you are black or Hispanic who is killing you? Where is the violence coming from? Whites..?

 

[UglyCasanova]

1st- the police...black lives matter/ the POTUS... stop disrespecting our flag you criminals.
2nd- the POTUS is rounding them up and sending them away.
Next question?

So the police and ICE are the vast majority of violence and killings towards blacks and Hispanics...?

 

[vi edit]

But again my question, if you are black or Hispanic who is killing you? Where is the violence coming from? Whites..?

Why is killing your only measure of safety? That's an incredibly narrow view of it.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Why is killing your only measure of safety? That's an incredibly narrow view of it.

I mean you can broaden it out as far as you want so that it fits your viewpoints I guess.

 

[vi edit]

I mean you can broaden it out as far as you want so that it fits your viewpoints I guess.

So if a woman is raped but not killed, should she still feel safe?

If a kid watches their parent get tackled on their front yard and shoved into an ICE vehicle and sent for deportation should they feel safe?

If you come home from work and find out that your house has been ransacked and all of your valuables stolen but you're still alive, do you still feel safe?

 

[HomerJS]

But again my question, if you are black or Hispanic who is killing you? Where is the violence coming from? Whites..?

DOJ from 2012-2015 already ran the numbers

Some 57 percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators, while only 15 percent were committed by blacks, and 11 percent by Hispanics. Black crime victims fell along similar racial lines, with 63 percent of the crimes committed by black perpetrators, while 11 percent were committed by whites, and 6.6 percent by Hispanics.

 

[UglyCasanova]

No, have rapes increased?

They are here illegally and as such I would suspect never feel "safe" in that regard. I’m not for ripping families apart willy nilly and I’m for a mass amnesty to settle all of this, but that hasn’t passed yet. And I feel no sympathy for deporting someone convicted of crimes, including low level like theft or dui.

Have thefts increased? Are whites the majority of thefts since the white supremicist boogie man has been brought up in this thread?

 

[HomerJS]

BTW - We already know who are the members of violent extremist groups that pose the largest threat in the US. It isn't Muslims but Christian white males.

 

[UglyCasanova]

DOJ from 2012-2015 already ran the numbers

So 15 percent of crimes against whites were commited by blacks but only 12.7 percent of the US is black, when you adjust for that...hmm.

 

[UglyCasanova]

BTW - We already know who are the members of violent extremist groups that pose the largest threat in the US. It isn't Muslims but Christian white males.

Haha no the largest threat of violent "extremist" are poor people. That’s who the vast majority of violence in the country comes from. Why that’s the case is a myriad of factors, but poor white or poor black..they commit the most violent crimes.

White supremicists and Muslim terrorist are problems but incredibly small ones in the real perspective of things. They are boogie mans of the left and the right to push agendas through fear.

 

[HomerJS]

So 15 percent of crimes against whites were commited by blacks but only 12.7 percent of the US is black, when you adjust for that...hmm.

Mine was the answer to was killing you and the answer shows very little disparity between groups.

As to your other point is you factor in socioeconomic those number flatten out.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Mine was the answer to was killing you and the answer shows very little disparity between groups.

As to your other point is you factor in socioeconomic those number flatten out.

No it shows a very large disparity when you account for population size.

 

[HomerJS]

No it shows a very large disparity when you account for population size.

My point is upper middle class black people don't commit crime at a higher rate then upper middle class white people.

The issue is the disparity of the number of poor people being people of color.

 

[UglyCasanova]

My point is upper middle class black people don't commit crime at a higher rate then upper middle class white people.

The issue is the disparity of the number of poor people being people of color.

Nothing in your DOJ quote had anything to do with that al all. That was not your point, you got called out so your point changed.

 

[HomerJS]

Nothing in your DOJ quote had anything to do with that al all. That was not your point, you got called out so your point changed.

My point didn't change, I answered your question as to groups being victims of violent crime by whom.

You then veered off into the disparity of crime vs population points to black people. I then pointed out it isn't just black people because if socioeconomic is factored in, those numbers flatten

 

[UglyCasanova]

I answered your question as to groups being victims of violent crime by whom.

By posting meaningless numbers if not taken into context. What you actually posted without realizing it was that blacks commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crimes towards whites and that whites commit a vastly disproportionately less amount of crimes toward blacks. If we are lumping people into racial groups and looking at crime stats, demographic population size and per capita matters.

Doh!

 

[jackstar7]

And I am so serious about it I'm organizing a nation wide march to make sure it happens

Guys, it's cool. He was joking.

 

[HomerJS]

By posting meaningless numbers if not taken into context. What you actually posted without realizing it was that blacks commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crimes towards whites and that whites commit a vastly disproportionately less amount of crimes toward blacks. If we are lumping people into racial groups and looking at crime stats, demographic population size and per capita matters.

Doh!

We now see how you people operate. Pick up on part one while ignoring part 2.

Its called willful ignorance.

 

[UglyCasanova]

We now see how you people operate. Pick up on part one while ignoring part 2.

Its called willful ignorance.

Part two was replying to my other post. Your statement I quoted and your original arguement (which had nothing to do with income disparity, you pulled a stat at face value and said that works for my arguement - a reply to my arguement - and went with it) was flat out wrong.

But my thoughts: blacks are disproportionately poor and there are a myriad of reasons for that. Yes, that does explain the disproportionate amount of violent crime. Like my post above where you said I veered off from your original comment (which was incorrect, you got called out on it, and now you’re squirming) the true violent "extremist" that the average American needs to be worried about are the poor. You’re chances of being violently attacked by your everyday poor person is much, much, much higher than some racially/religiously chareged attack by either an Islamic terrorist or white supremicist. If you are violently attacked in America more than likely it is by someone poor and it has to do with drugs in some form or fashion.