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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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there are a shit ton of reports of people in every state registering dead people and dogs to vote.
Post verifiable numbers, link to sources etc. if it is so common then it should be very easy for you to support your claim. You have made claims support them.

Btw for it to really matter how many of them actually voted?
 
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killster1

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Post verifiable numbers, link to sources etc. if it is so common then it should be very easy for you to support your claim. You have made claims support them.

Btw for it to really matter how many of them actually voted?
It's proof that fraud by mail voting is easier to take place then voting in person. End of story. If you think the opposite prove it with numbers and links bla
 

killster1

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You made assertions support it. It’s on you to provide proof of your claims and you have failed to do so in a meaningful way.
sorry its a two way street, you can prove me wrong or you can just sit on your hands and do nothing. i see you choose to do nothing so we can just agree to disagree. obviously this is some kinda bias thread / forum with all the hate that is constantly posted. its insane to think mailing a vote could be more secure then someone checking your ID at the voting booth. but you can live in your fantasy world its OK!

i know you are to lazy to read this site but it outlines 4 different elections that where found by the court of law to be fraudulent.

 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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sorry its a two way street, you can prove me wrong or you can just sit on your hands and do nothing. i see you choose to do nothing so we can just agree to disagree. obviously this is some kinda bias thread / forum with all the hate that is constantly posted. its insane to think mailing a vote could be more secure then someone checking your ID at the voting booth. but you can live in your fantasy world its OK!

i know you are to lazy to read this site but it outlines 4 different elections that where found by the court of law to be fraudulent.


Let's say you're right, that in theory mail-in voting is more subject to fraud than voting in person. Why then have the republicans been passing these voter ID laws for years now, claiming to worry over in person voter fraud, and why have they suddenly become concerned about vote by mail right now, in the middle of a pandemic where more democrats are planning to vote by mail than republicans?

Note the date on your Heritage Foundation Article. Find me one from years ago please. Any sign that republicans had the slightest concern about mail in voting prior to this election. Any sign that all this has to do with anything other helping Trump get elected.
 
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nickqt

Diamond Member
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sorry its a two way street, you can prove me wrong or you can just sit on your hands and do nothing. i see you choose to do nothing so we can just agree to disagree. obviously this is some kinda bias thread / forum with all the hate that is constantly posted. its insane to think mailing a vote could be more secure then someone checking your ID at the voting booth. but you can live in your fantasy world its OK!

i know you are to lazy to read this site but it outlines 4 different elections that where found by the court of law to be fraudulent.

You clearly know nothing of how elections work.

Keep making fun of yourself in public if you wish, but just claiming something and then saying you googled it or whatever is not an argument a sane, rational person makes.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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sorry its a two way street, you can prove me wrong or you can just sit on your hands and do nothing. i see you choose to do nothing so we can just agree to disagree. obviously this is some kinda bias thread / forum with all the hate that is constantly posted. its insane to think mailing a vote could be more secure then someone checking your ID at the voting booth. but you can live in your fantasy world its OK!

i know you are to lazy to read this site but it outlines 4 different elections that where found by the court of law to be fraudulent.

So all 4 of those appear to require schemes that at some point gave access/control of the ballot to the parties committing the fraud. I don’t think you will find anyone here who thinks preventing that is a bad idea.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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sorry its a two way street, you can prove me wrong or you can just sit on your hands and do nothing. i see you choose to do nothing so we can just agree to disagree. obviously this is some kinda bias thread / forum with all the hate that is constantly posted. its insane to think mailing a vote could be more secure then someone checking your ID at the voting booth. but you can live in your fantasy world its OK!

i know you are to lazy to read this site but it outlines 4 different elections that where found by the court of law to be fraudulent.

In PA they check signatures current vs one given at registration. As for security go check Colorado that has all mail in voting. Their fraud rate is statistically zero. Something like .00047%

As for your Heritage article I can site just as many court cases where Republicans were found GUILTY of fraud.

As for the security question in the midst of a pandemic, you bet your non-mask wearing ass mail in voting is safer.

BTW - You didn't answer the question either. Trump himself admitted in public he didn't want to fund the post office to stop mail in ballots. How is that not rigging the vote? How is that not fraud??
 
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BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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I'd add something here, as I'm usually won't to do in many threads.

But, in 73 years, I never had a homicidal thought about anyone until between November 2016 and January 2017. I have such thoughts daily. I go out on my patio and scream at Trump, space-alien Trumpers, cabinet members, degenerate GOP legislators.

Nothing I can add here is good for me, good for you, or in any way new.

Even so. There is a sieve of possible event sequences and outcomes. What happens if Trump succeeds in undermining the postal service, and undermining the election? What happens if he steals the election?

What are you -- we -- going to do then? Protest in Portland?! See -- I don't even believe that if he legitimately won re-election, that it's a basis for acceptance. This is a moral issue; the man is a criminal. So I don't care how many people choose to vote for him. They're not my fellow human beings, so their status as Americans in my eyes is disqualified. The only thing protecting them from me is the Rule of Law. And where is that going?
 

killster1

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Mar 15, 2007
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In PA they check signatures current vs one given at registration. As for security go check Colorado that has all mail in voting. Their fraud rate is statistically zero. Something like .00047%

As for your Heritage article I can site just as many court cases where Republicans were found GUILTY of fraud.

As for the security question in the midst of a pandemic, you bet your non-mask wearing ass mail in voting is safer.

BTW - You didn't answer the question either. Trump himself admitted in public he didn't want to fund the post office to stop mail in ballots. How is that not rigging the vote? How is that not fraud??
non mask wearing ass? i have been wearing two masks for going on 6 months everyday at work. I dont like trump at ALL i hate trump i hate him so much. but it doesn't matter i dont like Biden and think he is going to be either dead or senile (he makes such crazy statements like pony face solider i think his brain is already part gone) and the vp will become president. i think she is going to be a TERRIBLE president and that we will all be in trouble if /when that happens. IT really sucks how we only have two bad choices, i didnt like obama either he seemed to ruin so much, the only democrat i thought was OK was bill clinton and he also is a criminal.

My opinion is fraud is going to happen in person or in the mail, but i feel like it will be WAY easier to happen with mail in ballots. Is this something that someone in the election should / would worry about? of course! Do you believe every statistic? mail in fruad is .00000000000000000005% right? YA RIGHT, more like Proven tracked traced admitted mail in fraud is some low percent but we dont all get in trouble every time we break the law you usually have to do it a lot before you get caught and then they have to prove you did it.

So you can call me names attack me anyway you want, we are all entitled to a opinion unless it is different then yours right!? Everyone i know says they will vote for trump. (not that it matters in California i dont even bother voting its always democrat)
 

killster1

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Mar 15, 2007
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I'd add something here, as I'm usually won't to do in many threads.

But, in 73 years, I never had a homicidal thought about anyone until between November 2016 and January 2017. I have such thoughts daily. I go out on my patio and scream at Trump, space-alien Trumpers, cabinet members, degenerate GOP legislators.

Nothing I can add here is good for me, good for you, or in any way new.

Even so. There is a sieve of possible event sequences and outcomes. What happens if Trump succeeds in undermining the postal service, and undermining the election? What happens if he steals the election?

What are you -- we -- going to do then? Protest in Portland?! See -- I don't even believe that if he legitimately won re-election, that it's a basis for acceptance. This is a moral issue; the man is a criminal. So I don't care how many people choose to vote for him. They're not my fellow human beings, so their status as Americans in my eyes is disqualified. The only thing protecting them from me is the Rule of Law. And where is that going?
everyone is a criminal even you with your threats to the president about how you want to kill him on live tv and force people to watch. Show me a president that wasnt a criminal! Jesus for president 2024!
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
36,289
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non mask wearing ass? i have been wearing two masks for going on 6 months everyday at work. I dont like trump at ALL i hate trump i hate him so much. but it doesn't matter i dont like Biden and think he is going to be either dead or senile (he makes such crazy statements like pony face solider i think his brain is already part gone) and the vp will become president. i think she is going to be a TERRIBLE president and that we will all be in trouble if /when that happens. IT really sucks how we only have two bad choices, i didnt like obama either he seemed to ruin so much, the only democrat i thought was OK was bill clinton and he also is a criminal.

My opinion is fraud is going to happen in person or in the mail, but i feel like it will be WAY easier to happen with mail in ballots. Is this something that someone in the election should / would worry about? of course! Do you believe every statistic? mail in fruad is .00000000000000000005% right? YA RIGHT, more like Proven tracked traced admitted mail in fraud is some low percent but we dont all get in trouble every time we break the law you usually have to do it a lot before you get caught and then they have to prove you did it.

So you can call me names attack me anyway you want, we are all entitled to a opinion unless it is different then yours right!? Everyone i know says they will vote for trump. (not that it matters in California i dont even bother voting its always democrat)
The question really wasn't voter fraud. I asked since Trump has publicly admitted he doesn't want to fund the post office to stop mail in ballots how is that not rigging the election and fraud?

BTW - If you are worried about senile...
 

killster1

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Mar 15, 2007
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The question really wasn't voter fraud. I asked since Trump has publicly admitted he doesn't want to fund the post office to stop mail in ballots how is that not rigging the election and fraud?
i haven't kept up on the news unless im paid 50$ a hour to watch it. i remember he flat out said mail in votes are easier to tamper with 8 months ago, i have no idea what is legal and not, i have no idea what requiring people to put a stamp on the ballot will change. i asked over and over why his own votes would not be stopped as well with this, or if only democrats vote by mail?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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there are a shit ton of reports of people in every state registering dead people and dogs to vote. if you dont believe them thats up to you, what to believe that the mail in vote is infallible impossible to cheat as you say or that there indeed has been cases of fraud (tho of course no one likes to admit it happens)

i love how you compare it to the earth being flat shows just how moronic your view is, what about how you refused to believe the other person made threat on the presidents life? you never responded to the exact quote underlined. i guess you refusing to reply about it means indeed you are wrong.

You do understand the difference between registering to vote and actual voting, right?
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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i haven't kept up on the news unless im paid 50$ a hour to watch it. i remember he flat out said mail in votes are easier to tamper with 8 months ago, i have no idea what is legal and not, i have no idea what requiring people to put a stamp on the ballot will change. i asked over and over why his own votes would not be stopped as well with this, or if only democrats vote by mail?

Hmm... you seem to be struggling here, I’ll help.

The president has lauded mail in voting and made various bs claims about it being full of corruption. He’s basically telegraphing to his voters to not do mail in voting. Now that’s not an issue to a group of people who think Covid is a hoax and a conspiracy to do blah blah blah. But to normal people, voting in person is a serous health concern.

We have trump and other examples of trump purposefully doing/supporting policies that could greatly impact the efficiency and security of sending/receiving/counting mail in votes.

So if you haven’t figured it out yet, trump is trying to rig an election by messing with a very valid form of voting, mail in ballots, and he’s doing it by messing with the very delivery system that will be and has been used to send and receive ballots, all while telling his people to vote in person.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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i haven't kept up on the news unless im paid 50$ a hour to watch it. i remember he flat out said mail in votes are easier to tamper with 8 months ago, i have no idea what is legal and not, i have no idea what requiring people to put a stamp on the ballot will change. i asked over and over why his own votes would not be stopped as well with this, or if only democrats vote by mail?
Knowing his history you actually believe it??
 
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killster1

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Knowing his history you actually believe it??
actually believe it? isnt that what i have been saying over and over? why are you asking me something that i said already. im sure you think every problem in the world is trumps fault. the virus is his fault the protests are his fault. and if biden is pres he will magically solve it all right?
 

MtnMan

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people register their dog to vote, vote for their dead spouse. this doesn't happen when you vote in person does it?
Perhaps a dog or two has been registered to vote, but not necessary voted. The really fucking stupid people make it a big fucking deal and use it to prevent millions of people from voting.

Don't fucking worry about who votes, the threat is in those that control who votes and then counts the fucking votes.

Yea, I threw a lot of "f" bombs, because fucking stupid people piss me off. Don't like it, then don't be so fucking stupid.
 

killster1

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Perhaps a dog or two has been registered to vote, but not necessary voted. The really fucking stupid people make it a big fucking deal and use it to prevent millions of people from voting.

Don't fucking worry about who votes, the threat is in those that control who votes and then counts the fucking votes.

Yea, I threw a lot of "f" bombs, because fucking stupid people piss me off. Don't like it, then don't be so fucking stupid.
guess you missed the whole point is possible fraud being easier with mail in votes. no one is preventing anything, has nothing to do with dogs registering just a easy silly example. i also listed 4 ballots that where proven by law to be tampered with, of course you didnt choose to reply that msg. you can curse all you want, i dont get angry at stupid people, just worry about what you can change, dont waste your time on things that you cant.
 

MtnMan

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Jul 27, 2004
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guess you missed the whole point is possible fraud being easier with mail in votes. no one is preventing anything, has nothing to do with dogs registering just a easy silly example. i also listed 4 ballots that where proven by law to be tampered with, of course you didnt choose to reply that msg. you can curse all you want, i dont get angry at stupid people, just worry about what you can change, dont waste your time on things that you cant.
Sabotage the USPS to the point it cannot deliver the mail, sure as hell is preventing voting, given we are in the middle of a pandemic.

4 ballots in a country where millions of people are losing the right to vote... fucking do the math.
 
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killster1

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Sabotage the USPS to the point it cannot deliver the mail, sure as hell is preventing voting, given we are in the middle of a pandemic.

4 ballots in a country where millions of people are losing the right to vote... fucking do the math.
it was 4 examples which you seem to lazy and angry to read. not 4 votes but 4 elections, but again you would have to read to know what im talking about. you are just seeing red so angry at the world, good luck living like that.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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it was 4 examples which you seem to lazy and angry to read. not 4 votes but 4 elections, but again you would have to read to know what im talking about. you are just seeing red so angry at the world, good luck living like that.
*You* said "4 ballots" & MtnMan just followed your error. The truth is that 5 states have used mail in voting for years & the rate of attempted fraud is exceedingly low. Works great here in CO & neither party wants to change it.

It's all doublespeak from Trump, anyway. He told Florida vote by mail is great for them, because Florida. There must be some magical way that there's less tendency to commit fraud in Florida, the grifter capital of America.
 

killster1

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*You* said "4 ballots" & MtnMan just followed your error. The truth is that 5 states have used mail in voting for years & the rate of attempted fraud is exceedingly low. Works great here in CO & neither party wants to change it.

It's all doublespeak from Trump, anyway. He told Florida vote by mail is great for them, because Florida. There must be some magical way that there's less tendency to commit fraud in Florida, the grifter capital of America.
Yes its a noun, process of voting, is this a comedy thread or what
 
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