Poll: Is Trump evil?

[trenchfoot]

I’m not normally a YouTube person but Bill Maher really knocked it out of the park last night as it pertains to Republicans and Trump.

Damn, he sure did nail it, didn't he? This clip should be posted on every conservative website on the 'net. Assplosions everywhere.

 

[StinkyPinky]

He's selfish and mean spirited. A man that has known privilege all his life and has used it to not make the world a better place, but to to instead enrich himself at the expense of everyone else. Mixed in with an obvious age related dementia and "evil" is a good word for it I suppose.

 

[sportage]

The right wing evangelicals are evil, so yes... Donald Trump is evil.
Its like doing simple math.
So we all knew the answer to this post, so never mind paying attention to that or to Donald Trump,
It is more interesting to focus on those that align themselves with the likes of Donald Trump.
And again, they would be the right wing evangelicals or what Hillary once called the so called Donald Trump deplorables.
They proclaim their faked religious superiority and they believe Donald Trump is their chosen one.
Smart ole Hillary Clinton figured that out on day one.
And many in the media took her to task over her words and they did that because... THE TRUTH HURTS.
Sure.... Donald Trump is indeed evil. But how does that explain the others who worship Trump?
Again, like those right wing evangelicals for one example.

If right wing evangelicals are evil as well, and they truly are just as evil as Donald Trump is evil, then one must ask if the right wing evangelicals are doing the work of god by embracing Donald Trump or as I believe are they all simply fulfilling the horrors of biblical prophecy by embracing Donald Trump?
The horrors of biblical prophecy as in the end of times, the rise of Satan, the millions fooled by false prophets.
If Donald Trump isn't a false prophet, and including Fox News, and including Kelly Ann Conway, and certainly including Sarah Huckabee, then I don't know who is?
And that fits in with the warnings from biblical prophecy and from biblical scripture.

So, is Donald Trump evil?
Trump is not only pure evil, Trump is actually foretold within scripture.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The psychological dimension -- narcissistic disorder -- is part of a mix of shortcomings that provide a foundation for moral choices that can range from mild to Evil.

Alston Chase wrote a biographical expose of his former classmate, Ted Kazynski -- aka, UNABOMBER. The Unabomber was a disturbed person, partly due to imbalance in his upbringing by parents with high expectations, and his experience as a guinea-pig for a Harvard psychologist hiring students for interrogation experiments funded by CIA's MKULTRA program.

According to Chase, the Unabomber nevertheless had the free will to choose Evil over Good.

In Trump's case, from mistreating children at the border, to tax fraud, money-laundering, and other aspects of his behavior, he's a very bad person, a bad American, a career-criminal walking between the raindrops of Justice. He has cost us dearly, for abuse of his powers and usurping powers reserved for Congress -- misallocating the federal budget. He's The Great Deceiver, for his lies and his contempt for the Truth.

Look, for instance, at his treatment of Puerto Rico through at least a couple seasons of hurricane disaster. It almost seems deliberate, how Trump has mismanaged and corrupted aid to an island of Americans.

I've seen enough of his Evil that I am sure that Trump is Evil. It's just a good thing he isn't more intelligent than he is, and it's a good thing that he vastly overestimates his intellectual prowess.

 

[Pohemi]

Why accept an inconvenient "truth" after all? They'd rather laugh it off and take a dumbed down approach.

And perhaps a few handouts from lobbyists (or otherwise) along the way? I mean...what could THAT hurt?

 

[HomerJS]

I’m not normally a YouTube person but Bill Maher really knocked it out of the park last night as it pertains to Republicans and Trump.

Wow completely nailed in a serious yet funny way. That's why I watch his show.

BTW - I came up with the same premise back in May

Trump will be the forever allowable #whatabout

Abandoning all standards of competence, morals and sense of decency just for the sake of remaining on Team Trump means your standards are forever set down to the level of Trump. You have no right in the future to complain about any politician violating these basic standards because the response...

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[Muse]

He's selfish and mean spirited. A man that has known privilege all his life and has used it to not make the world a better place, but to to instead enrich himself at the expense of everyone else. Mixed in with an obvious age related dementia and "evil" is a good word for it I suppose.

"Evil" is one of those words that's plastic, morphable, can have different meanings. I'm thinking William Blake and the Marriage of Heaven and Hell, where he turns the tables on Good and Evil. I don't know what Nietzsche did with it, didn't read it.

I think in the context of this thread 'EVIL' has a specific meaning, being having on balance unredeeming character and influence (at least in the present circumstance).

 

[HomerJS]

"Evil" is one of those words that's plastic, morphable, can have different meanings. I'm thinking William Blake and the Marriage of Heaven and Hell, where he turns the tables on Good and Evil. I don't know what Nietzsche did with it, didn't read it.

I think in the context of this thread 'EVIL' has a specific meaning, being having on balance unredeeming character and influence (at least in the present circumstance).

I think a single quote from Trump is enough to label him evil. When accused of rape he didn't say I would never do such a thing, he indicated she wasn't hot enough.

Then again, maybe I just have different standards.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Mr. T has a message for Trump. 🤣😂😁

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think a single quote from Trump is enough to label him evil. When accused of rape he didn't say I would never do such a thing, he indicated she wasn't hot enough.

Then again, maybe I just have different standards.

It's not a bad idea to split hairs over this, but a definitive meaning for the word "Evil" could be explored with a tool ordinarily not connected to moral issues, but applied in "good government".

Add up the number of people Trump has hurt in some way since the inauguration, and perhaps in some cases -- you can apply a dollar value to determine an expected value. Start with the 350+ Courier folks whose continued employment was promised, then terminated after they'd made their plans and even expenditures toward the Holiday Season. Count the number of children hurt -- even psychologically -- in Trump's border fiasco. Add in the number of civil servants whose lives were turned upside down for several months as Trump held their pay hostage in his extortion attempt with Congress over the "Wall".

You could extend this further to damage done to National Parks and Forests, environmental damage done by promoting mining projects such as that in Alaska, promising great risk to an important salmon spawning ground and the people there who depend on it.

Those are the costs. Add up the marvelous truly verifiable benefits that President F***stick has bestowed, not just on his Base, but upon all of us. Think hard.

Then, ask yourself again whether the most disgusting person ever to appear on TV since the 1936 Berlin Games is "Evil". Consider also all the damage he's done to the "secular State" -- a separate concept of morality that includes things like risk to National Security, the smooth operation of government by non-partisan careerists. Consider the damage he's done to our reputation around the world, our relationship to long-standing allies, such as the "Five Eyes", the damage done to other countries in Europe or the risk to them, like Ukraine, just things in general such as the anxiety Trump has caused in free Asian countries over his little Man-Crush with Little Rocket Man. And I mentioned the unwarranted slaps in the face to hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico.

The man is an Evil Piece of Degenerate Filth. But he's no "stable genius" -- first, because he's not stable, and second, but for some few areas of his experience and practice, he's barely a mediocrity for his low-IQ reading skills, his inattention to facts, his ignorant understanding of history, and especially his ignorance of American government.

Ya hear that, Trump? Ya hear? For somebody who secretly wants to be loved to an extreme, you are a degenerate, criminal, un-American piece of Worthless Shit. The human race will be better if you and your spawn are wiped off the planet. So either vacate the White House, throw up your hands if Congress impeaches you, bow out gracefully if you lose the election . . . . or blow your own brains out on Sesame Street after shooting Big Bird to chart a new course in history. Or just wait long enough, and go down for the dirt nap by someone else's hand.

Go back to your Father in Hell from whence Ye came.

 

[HomerJS]

More evidence

what would you say is Trump`s most reprehensible statement? I think the Dingle tirade was disgusting!!

I think I heard it today when he was talking about the late John Dingle and talking about Debbie Dingle when Trump was lamenting how well he had treated her after her husband died and then trump said -- Maybe he is looking up...

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[Hayabusa Rider]

More evidence

what would you say is Trump`s most reprehensible statement? I think the Dingle tirade was disgusting!!

I think I heard it today when he was talking about the late John Dingle and talking about Debbie Dingle when Trump was lamenting how well he had treated her after her husband died and then trump said -- Maybe he is looking up...

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As I said early on in this thread, evil is as evil does.

 

[MtnMan]

Evil is a subjective call, but he is a proven racist, misogynistic, ego maniac, insecure, incompetent, and just stupid, all clearly exhibited by his deeds and actions.

 

[woolfe9998]

Evil is a subjective call, but he is a proven racist, misogynistic, ego maniac, insecure, incompetent, and just stupid, all clearly exhibited by his deeds and actions.

"Evil" is a problematic word in that it seems bound up in fictional transcendant belief systems. But according to the thesaurus, it has many synonyms:

• bad
• corrupt
• destructive
• hateful
• heinous
• hideous
• malevolent
• malicious
• nefarious
• ugly
• unpleasant
• vicious
• vile
• villainous
• wicked
• base
• foul
• low
• offensive
• poison
• reprobate
• wrong
• angry
• atrocious
• baneful
• beastly
• calamitous
• damnable
• depraved
• disastrous
• execrable
• flagitious
• harmful
• iniquitous
• injurious
• loathsome
• maleficent
• malignant
• no good
• obscene
• pernicious
• rancorous
• repugnant
• repulsive
• revolting
• spiteful
• stinking
• unpropitious
• wrathful

Reading through that list, I can't see a single one which seems inappropriate as a description of Trump.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Did I, in earlier posts and other threads, recommend reading for pleasure the epic poem by Milton -- "Paradise Lost"?

Satan stays awake all night, flying around. At the dawn of Time, they didn't have cell phones to post tweets at 3 AM.

Satan's offense, as I remember, was the sin of Pride.

And since he betrayed God, he was banished to the circle of Hell known as the Circle of Traitors.

Pride seems to intersect with many of the synonyms for "Evil" posted by woolfe9998. At least, that's my instantaneous take on the list.

And it coincides with statements like "Only I can fix it", "I have good genes", "I"m a very stable genius" and other nonsense we'd heard.

Would you imagine Satan making minimal donations to his own charity, using other people's donations to purchase a portrait of himself to place in his building, and otherwise engaging in a fraudulent non-profit charitable enterprise?

It is deplorable that a cohort of "Christian" evangelicals are blind to Trump for what he is, all goo-gah that he'll stack the courts so they can dictate their terms of marginal everyday life -- abortion, gay marriage, etc. -- to everyone else. He's their man -- no matter the wicked way he's lived his life!

Somehow, a real Jesus doesn't seem to fit with that crowd. Ignorance is spread throughout the land.

 

[Muse]

Did I, in earlier posts and other threads, recommend reading for pleasure the epic poem by Milton -- "Paradise Lost"?

Satan stays awake all night, flying around. At the dawn of Time, they didn't have cell phones to post tweets at 3 AM.

Satan's offense, as I remember, was the sin of Pride.

And since he betrayed God, he was banished to the circle of Hell known as the Circle of Traitors.

Pride seems to intersect with many of the synonyms for "Evil" posted by woolfe9998. At least, that's my instantaneous take on the list.

And it coincides with statements like "Only I can fix it", "I have good genes", "I"m a very stable genius" and other nonsense we'd heard.

Would you imagine Satan making minimal donations to his own charity, using other people's donations to purchase a portrait of himself to place in his building, and otherwise engaging in a fraudulent non-profit charitable enterprise?

It is deplorable that a cohort of "Christian" evangelicals are blind to Trump for what he is, all goo-gah that he'll stack the courts so they can dictate their terms of marginal everyday life -- abortion, gay marriage, etc. -- to everyone else. He's their man -- no matter the wicked way he's lived his life!

Somehow, a real Jesus doesn't seem to fit with that crowd. Ignorance is spread throughout the land.

Has he not called himself "the chosen one?" No, he has.

 

[dawp]

I still think he's too stupid to be intentionally evil.

 

[Muse]

I still think he's too stupid to be intentionally evil.

He hasn't done shit because he doesn't know how to get anything done.

 

[HomerJS]

I still think he's too stupid to be intentionally evil.

I don't know about that. Seems if your defense against rape is she wasn't hot enough, pretty self incriminating.

 

[ShookKnight]

If he became bad, that would be an improvement.

Trump goes out of his way to screw people over. That is not a sign of being bad. That is a sign of being evil.

Personality disorders are not a mental illness, but they sure are evil.

 

[sportage]

I think I know what is happening.
And not to preach and no this does not involve organized religion where organized religion in itself is not religion in any way or form. Organized religion is only a concept of religion by one of the many groups having their own individual concept. Organized religion is not religion but only a concept of religion.
That being said....

I think what we have in the world today is a world without god.
Or.... the beginnings of a world without god.
Going on the theory that true religion or BELIEVING is only in ones heart.
Take away THAT and you have what we now have in the world, darkness.
Senseless killings, mass killings, a lack of morals, the rise of the Donald Trump's, hate, division, no communication, no sympathy for others, the fear of ones neighbor, and faith replaced by technology.

All the insanity that is happening, the insanity that is happening around us is as I see it a darkness.
A darkness that has descended upon humanity.
A world without god and by god I mean a loss of moral direction.
Think of it as a comparison between a warm sunny day vs a dark cloudy gloomy day.
A day of gloom and darkness where all seems hopeless and pointless.
All the craziness around us can be explained by this one observation, that god is not dead but instead god has simply left the room.

What we have now is what a world without god would look like.
Evil in a form as never experienced before. The great divide in wealth. The complete lack of compassion for one another. A world where a gun is the answer to a youths desperation. A world where building walls the answer to ones paranoia. In short, a world gone insane.

As for the part of technology in all of this, I wonder....
Are human beings capable of handling the technology that surrounds us?
Are we simply a bunch of Neanderthals with cell phones and Xboxes?
Damn you Apple. Damn you Bill Gates.

To answer the question of whether or not Donald Trump is evil?
No, not anymore than anyone else.
In a world without god anyone can eventually become a mass murderer or Trump supporter.
This is our world without god and anything is possible, eventually, for anyone.
Donald Trump is but only one result of living within a world without god.
And it doesn't get any better.
Ridding the world of Donald Trump will not solve the problem.
So, if people think its bad today with the evil surrounding us then just wait another 100 years.

 

[blankslate]

What kind of evil?

Big E evil as in a cosmic force with a level of consciousness using a mortal puppet? um no...

is he a not good person in general who has done shitty things to other people with a callousness that speaks of lack of empathy? I believe yes.


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[HomerJS]

To answer the question of whether or not Donald Trump is evil?
No, not anymore than anyone else.

Just a question only because you stated Trump is no more evil then anyone else. How many of the definitions/characteristics of evil we listed do you exhibit?

 

[HomerJS]

What kind of evil?

Big E evil as in a cosmic force with a level of consciousness using a mortal puppet? um no...

is he a not good person in general who has done shitty things to other people with a callousness that speaks of lack of empathy? I believe yes.


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How about a level of consciousnesses that exhibits every characterization of evil? We have many examples in history that didn't have a cosmic force or used a mortal puppet.

 

[blankslate]

How about a level of consciousnesses that exhibits every characterization of evil? We have many examples in history that didn't have a cosmic force or used a mortal puppet.

It depends on how conscious you consider Trump to be... I think he is more cunning on some level with perhaps a better than average ability to read people (groups of people) than a highly intelligent strategist.
So is he purposefully evil for does he just engage in actions because of callousness and thoughtlessness that ends up with bad situations for others?
In the case of the contractors he cheated I see the argument for evil. Yet people call him an idiot. Maybe he it but the more stupid you argue him to be the less capacity you allow that for him to be making the actual choice to be evil. but maybe I'm just arguing semantic....


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