Originally posted by: Stratum9
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
"Virginity is a lovely thing. It is the greatest gift a man and woman can give one another. The husband and wife, who consimate their marriage on their wedding night, will grow in love for each other." ~Mother Theresa
Don't know if that makes it a virtue, but still...
HAHA! What the fvck does an unmarried nun know about human sexuality?! And that comment about "most of those who abstain do so in order to make it more fulfilling and meaningful when they eventually do engage in sex." is total romantic bs!
Most people's first sexual encounter is lousy and plagued by self-doubt and worry. Sex rarely matches up to the idealized version the person had of it in their head the first time they experience it for real. That doesn't come until later after both partners have gained in experience by learning what pleases the other partner the most.
That whole virgin wedding night fantasy just cracks me up! For the woman, what is so romantic about the pain of vaginal tearing, chafing and bleeding? And for the guy, what is so romantic about seeing the woman you love wince in pain instead of sigh in ecstasy when you instert your manhood? And when you're done you lay there feeling like dogs that just mated wondering if your spouse still loves you after that whole experience!
Nope, thats the purpose that the Catholic Church came up in the middle ages when it tried to install celibacy in all of its followers and they nearly revolted. In order not to lose much of its followers who naturally wanted and needed to fornicate, church allowed sex but only within the confines of a marriage and only for purposes of procreation. I find it very hard to believe that there are still fools out there who buy into this religious mumbo-jumbo. With advances in todays contraceptives and birth control, sex could be approached more rationally.Originally posted by: RagingBITCHSome people don't feel that sex makes their life more complete and healthy. And sex's original purpose is to create life - the only reason why you and many other people think or feel it's a part of a healthy lifestyle is because today's society glorifies sex as you so have described, in everything from books, movies, tv shows, and commercials where sex is just used as a tool to sell stuff. (WTF does semi-nude women have to do with shaving cream or lawnmowers?)
Originally posted by: vladgur
Nope, thats the purpose that the Catholic Church came up in the middle ages when it tried to install celibacy in all of its followers and they nearly revolted. In order not to lose much of its followers who naturally wanted and needed to fornicate, church allowed sex but only within the confines of a marriage and only for purposes of procreation. I find it very hard to believe that there are still fools out there who buy into this religious mumbo-jumbo. With advances in todays contraceptives and birth control, sex could be approached more rationally.Originally posted by: RagingBITCHSome people don't feel that sex makes their life more complete and healthy. And sex's original purpose is to create life - the only reason why you and many other people think or feel it's a part of a healthy lifestyle is because today's society glorifies sex as you so have described, in everything from books, movies, tv shows, and commercials where sex is just used as a tool to sell stuff. (WTF does semi-nude women have to do with shaving cream or lawnmowers?)
In fact I watched the History Channel special on Sex through the ages and found out that the medieval french clergy actually supported prostitution. They knew that if the needy werent relieved, it will result in rapes. So they saw prostitution as "neccessary evil". Well if your church sees sex as neccessarry, why in the world would you abstain?
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: vladgur
Nope, thats the purpose that the Catholic Church came up in the middle ages when it tried to install celibacy in all of its followers and they nearly revolted. In order not to lose much of its followers who naturally wanted and needed to fornicate, church allowed sex but only within the confines of a marriage and only for purposes of procreation. I find it very hard to believe that there are still fools out there who buy into this religious mumbo-jumbo. With advances in todays contraceptives and birth control, sex could be approached more rationally.Originally posted by: RagingBITCHSome people don't feel that sex makes their life more complete and healthy. And sex's original purpose is to create life - the only reason why you and many other people think or feel it's a part of a healthy lifestyle is because today's society glorifies sex as you so have described, in everything from books, movies, tv shows, and commercials where sex is just used as a tool to sell stuff. (WTF does semi-nude women have to do with shaving cream or lawnmowers?)
In fact I watched the History Channel special on Sex through the ages and found out that the medieval french clergy actually supported prostitution. They knew that if the needy werent relieved, it will result in rapes. So they saw prostitution as "neccessary evil". Well if your church sees sex as neccessarry, why in the world would you abstain?
Interesting points. This makes me wonder of those people who regard virginity as a virtue, how many do so simply because their religion told them to? I haven't heard too many reasons in this thread as to why people consider virginity to be a virtue, considering the number of people who voted yes in the poll. Please, people, share your opinions!
Originally posted by: Nightfall
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: bleeb
If you are a virgin by choice, what basis do you have for your decision?
1. Go to google, type: vaginal herpes, genital warts, or whatever STD you can think of. Look through some of those pictures. That will give you a good idea of why some people prefer abstinence.
2. The emotional attachments that come along with sex. Some people can have casual sex, some people can't.
3. The religious basis.
4. Some people get too preoccupied with sex, they don't focus on other issues. Like careers, etc.
5. Don't want to risk getting girl pregnant, don't like abortion. (condoms don't work all the time)
6. Sex has a deeper meaning.
As a counterpoint to virginity, I mentioned the celebration of a happy and healthy sexuality as a "virtue" in itself. Part of that, of course, would be the avoidance of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. Please bear in mind that I am not advocating casual sex, but instead a meaningful and healthy sexual exploration and lifestyle (presumably with people you care deeply about).
Some people don't feel that sex makes their life more complete and healthy. And sex's original purpose is to create life - the only reason why you and many other people think or feel it's a part of a healthy lifestyle is because today's society glorifies sex as you so have described, in everything from books, movies, tv shows, and commercials where sex is just used as a tool to sell stuff. (WTF does semi-nude women have to do with shaving cream or lawnmowers?)
So aside from the issue of the glorification of sex wihin the realms of advertising and pop culture, are you saying that sexuality, unless it's used for the express purpose of propogating the species, is somehow not healthy? Can you please clarify what you're saying?
I would also like to know what he is saying.
Sex only for propogation? Sounds pretty lame to me. Lets get this out of the way, there will never be a time when everyone uses sex only for propogation and NOT recreationally. Yes, there will be an occassion when it is used for having kids, but the couple will have a darn good time doing it.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Only if you're young and think that virginity is the most important thing in the world. As you grow up you wonder "God, why was I waiting?".
You won't, trust me!Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Only if you're young and think that virginity is the most important thing in the world. As you grow up you wonder "God, why was I waiting?".
Perhaps.. I don't think I'll have that problem, though. Our first time was wonderful... Couldn't have gone any better. I don't think I'll have any regrets as life goes on, even if my girlfriend and I don't spend the rest of our lives together.
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
"Virginity is a lovely thing. It is the greatest gift a man and woman can give one another. The husband and wife, who consimate their marriage on their wedding night, will grow in love for each other." ~Mother Theresa
Don't know if that makes it a virtue, but still...
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Only if you're young and think that virginity is the most important thing in the world. As you grow up you wonder "God, why was I waiting?".
Perhaps.. I don't think I'll have that problem, though. Our first time was wonderful... Couldn't have gone any better. I don't think I'll have any regrets as life goes on, even if my girlfriend and I don't spend the rest of our lives together.
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
"Virginity is a lovely thing. It is the greatest gift a man and woman can give one another. The husband and wife, who consimate their marriage on their wedding night, will grow in love for each other." ~Mother Theresa
Don't know if that makes it a virtue, but still...
You are quoting a nun as expert on sexuality? That is like quoting the Taleban on the value of education for girls.