POLL: Mark Felt...Hero or Traitor?

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irwincur

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Without a question, he is a national hero. He risked his life and livelyhood to bring the truth to light.

The truth was already known. He had a grudge, and he was also looking to cash in. Little did he know that Woodword and Bernstein would take the money and run, essentially leaving him without anywhere to turn. Then they shut him out for three decades as he tried to make some money off of HIS fame by refusing to admit that he was thier guy.

The most shameful part of this whole epsiode may be that W & B got rich and famous off of this guys back while he has been living in his mothers garage for the past two decades - and they knew it.



Hero is still too strong of a word for this. There really was nothing heroic about it as the house of cards was already falling around Nixon. This in essense did nothing to speed up the process or even really impact it. Just media crated stuff of legend so they can puff out their chests and act like the media is sometimes usefull.



Now my questions - what about the whistleblowers in the Clinton White House. An FBI agent there went to the media with his accounts of rape and sexual harrasment by the Commander and Pimp. Was he a hero? No, the press never bothered to listen to him, or the four others that came out with independant and corresponding reports. The press actually attacked them.

Big surprise.
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: gallivanter
Originally posted by: gsaldivar
It's funny how we judge people who "leak" information by who they leaked information on...

That is the point though. Many are judging him not on who he leaked information about, but rather the how and why. For example, why did he not go to the Grand Jury? He certainly could have, and such an action may have resulted in a better, and still just, outcome.
Remember Nixon firing everyone in site (Sat night massacre). What makes you think if he had gone to the grand jury the evidence at the FBI would not have dissapeared?

 

sandorski

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His "means"? He made sure the truth had a chance to be known. This isn't about "Means", this is about nuking any chance for Nixon to escape Justice.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Without a question, he is a national hero. He risked his life and livelyhood to bring the truth to light.

The truth was already known. He had a grudge, and he was also looking to cash in. Little did he know that Woodword and Bernstein would take the money and run, essentially leaving him without anywhere to turn. Then they shut him out for three decades as he tried to make some money off of HIS fame by refusing to admit that he was thier guy.

The most shameful part of this whole epsiode may be that W & B got rich and famous off of this guys back while he has been living in his mothers garage for the past two decades - and they knew it.
YOU'RE SO FULL OF SH8, MY ASS IS JEALOUS! :| :| :|

Ben Bradley, the Washington Post's editor confirms the secret was kept at Felt's request.

Woodward and Bernstein became famous because they published the truth about Nixon's criminal thugs. They also maintained their honor by keeping their promise to Felt. Even when the news first broke, they refused to comment until they got direct confirmation from Felt, himself, that it was now OK to tell what they knew.

FYI, Woodward and Bernstein did not just parrot what they got from Felt. They were a couple of young reporters who dug in a lot of places to bring a story to light that was NOT already public information. In fact, most of the "established" press was too intimtidated to follow up on the story because the Nixon thugs were already sicking the IRS, the FBI and other government agencies on anyone they considered to be an enemy. Ask Daniel Schorr, then with CBS, and now with NPR. I've seen the video of him reading Nixon's "Enemies List." The look on his face is priceless when he got to his own name.

Felt was the #2 man at the FBI. His boss, L. Patrick Gray, was a Nixon plant who was leaking every bit of info the FBI had back to the Whitehouse criminals. Felt could NOT go through any other chain of command to bring the truth to light because the only available chain was directly to the crooks. His reasons for keeping his identity secret are his alone, and those who knew it honored his requrest.

Keeping the secrecy was the only way Felt could stay close to the info that needed to be exposed, not to mention well known little facts, such as that Nixon's goons were not above bugging, harrassing and physically threatening anyone they considered a possible leak or impediment to their well proven continuing, ongoing, multiple criminal enterprises.

If you're not old enough to remember Wategate the first time, STFU until you go back and learn what really happened. If you ARE old enough to remember it, you should be ashamed of yourself for not learning the lesson, the first time and even MORE ashamed of embarrassing yourself by posting such utter bullsh8 in public.
Hero is still too strong of a word for this. There really was nothing heroic about it as the house of cards was already falling around Nixon. This in essense did nothing to speed up the process or even really impact it. Just media crated stuff of legend so they can puff out their chests and act like the media is sometimes usefull.
I repeat, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, and YOU'RE SO FULL OF SH8, MY ASS IS JEALOUS! :| :| :|
Now my questions - what about the whistleblowers in the Clinton White House. An FBI agent there went to the media with his accounts of rape and sexual harrasment by the Commander and Pimp. Was he a hero? No, the press never bothered to listen to him, or the four others that came out with independant and corresponding reports. The press actually attacked them.

Big surprise.
And big deal. Clinton lied under oath, and he was wrong for doing so. If his most significant "crime" was failure to return his fly to its full upright position before landing, can you sit there with a straight face and tell us that's as important as disclosing criminality at the level of the Nixon gang, including illegal bugging of American citizens' homes and phones, criminal burglaries searching for politically damaging info about his enemies, abusing the power of his office to sick the IRS and FBI on innocent Americans and much, much more?

If you can, you're dumber than a fscking rock, and you haven't the slightest shread of a clue what Watergate was about.

Of course, it also means you haven't a clue about why the Bush administration is at least as evil for exactly the same reasons. Even John Dean, former Counsel to Nixon, has stated that what the Bush adminstration has done is worse than Watergate. Since it goes beyond simply criminal acts to pure TREASON for outing a covert CIA agent, I agree with his analysis.
 

Jhhnn

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Yeh, inwincur, drag some unauthenticated accusations about Clinton into it, just to stink up the place...

And the whole bit about sour grapes as Felt's motive really doesn't ring true. Nixon had been trying to politicize the bureau, diminish its independent role. Does that sound familiar? Gray's appointment was much like that of Goss- not because he knew what he was doing, but because he knew what the boss wanted... Felt was career FBI, and that didn't sit well with him, or with many others- they cared about the Bureau, about what its independent status meant to the country and to the credibility of any admin they would ever serve.

No matter his motives, his actions served Justice, which is probably the most significant part of it all.

Colson, gallivanter? While I applaud his outreach to inmates, it seems to me that he was one of the first of the wolves to don sheep's clothing, join and then manipulate the Christian Right into a tool of the Republican Party. The fact that he'll share a podium with Dobson et al tells me he's not much of a Christian, and his endorsement of the Iraqi adventure as a "Just War" is equally as objectionable.
 

gallivanter

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
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No matter his motives, his actions served Justice, which is probably the most significant part of it all.

Colson, gallivanter? While I applaud his outreach to inmates, it seems to me that he was one of the first of the wolves to don sheep's clothing, join and then manipulate the Christian Right into a tool of the Republican Party. The fact that he'll share a podium with Dobson et al tells me he's not much of a Christian, and his endorsement of the Iraqi adventure as a "Just War" is equally as objectionable.


I was merely addressing him in relationship to those who admitted their wrongdoings and did so without taking down others. He is in that group.

Regardless of whether one agrees or not with his stances and sincerity, (I do not disagree with the notion that he has at times used his position to politicize that which should not have been and to interject in issues he probably should not have), one has to conclude that he did come out a better person than he was before Watergate.


As for the justice being served comment, and I know it was not addressed to me, I do not deny that a good deal of justice was meted out, nor were any of my statements concerning the aftermath of Felt's actions related to the consequences suffered by those involved. I was specifically referring to consequences the country suffered.
 

0roo0roo

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hero. i wonder who the 8 are who voted otherwise. liddy on this board? bitter bitter republicans.
 

drifter106

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Now that Deep Throat has ben revealed talking blowhards on the right are spinning this labeling Mark Felt and the press as enemies and traitorous. What do you think?

The poll gives you a choice of hero or traitor...I have a hard time with the term traitor but by no means is he a hero. What really urinates me off is the fact why now is he coming out? Money...probably...and if he goes that route then he surely will have some legal problems if the government choses to follow up...
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: loki8481
neither a hero nor a traitor.

just a guy who did the right thing.
I agree. THe reason I used these two choices is that the people on the right were characterizing him as a traitor. It amazes me how people spin the story Felt is worse then Nixon. If you listen to the tapes when he says the Constitution and law are irelevant since he is the President. This guy should have gone to jail. If we made a harsher example of him future Presidents would behave themselves.
 

getbush

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I got a kick out of the daily show when they showed the clip of Liddy calling Felt's actions despicable. That was just great.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: getbush
I got a kick out of the daily show when they showed the clip of Liddy calling Felt's actions despicable. That was just great.

yeah, its almost as good as when oliver north calls people traitors.
 
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