POLL: nVidia's Silence on GT300

[OCGuy]

Let's bring this thread up and see who is right when GT300 launches. Try and answer objectively.

If you pick other, take the time to explain.

 

[ronnn]

I voted other, as I think they may launch before christmas, but with poor availability. But if Charlie is right, ouch.

 

[zagood]

Other: I pick the last answer to see the results.

I'm sick of speculation. No offense - I'm probably just bitter that I'm going to be priced out of the next gen.

 

[Tempered81]

other - could be before christmas, but definitely aren't playing possum because the situation is in their favor, rather they are behind.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ronnn
I voted other, as I think they may launch before christmas, but with poor availability. But if Charlie is right, ouch.

If Charlie is right, they arent launching before christmas, even with poor availability.

 

[kreacher]

With their marketing department's past record, being silent means the situation is so bad right now that they can't even think of a way to spin it into anything positive.

 

[Zensal]

Other

They do not want to cannibalize current sales and specs are not final yet.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Other, wait and see approach here.

They probably have everything ready except price. They want to see what the next ATI GPU does before they announce a pricepoint and full specs.

I think they learned, especially in this weakened economy, that a $499 GPU won't sell as well as a $299 GPU. So they need to carefully examine the competition.

 

[imported_Shaq]

I say out by Xmas as demos were to be ready in the next two weeks. And the tape out was up to two months ago depending on whose rumors you choose to believe. That gives them three months to get the card out and finalize the drivers. Also the 5870 x2 is rumored to come out in November and it should be made to compete against something as they will already have the fastest single card in the 5870. Why release the x2 so soon if they don't need to? And I would be silent right now if I had a monster card coming out soon as it would make AMD look worse than if they said right now that they have a 30% faster card than the 5870 in the wings. Most people wouldn't believe it and would think they were pulling a Kanye. lol

I believe the 8800GT came out late November in '07 and was difficult to find and I think this will be a similar launch. Cards will be available on Ebay for 20+% higher than retail especially if there are OC'd versions available at launch this time. Obviously the GX2 version will be at least late spring to early summer of 2010. That's my slightly educated WAG. lol

 

[Lonyo]

They are giving it a week, and when the new ATI cards start getting reviewed they will be out in full force with the NV hype machine.
As it is right now, they have nothing to play for and they don't want to shoot their load too early.

Why hype their next gen card when there's no competition to hype it against? They are just waiting until there is more on the new ATI stuff, and then they will be all over it like a rash.
Not saying that NV are being evil, it's a standard tactic from either side.

 

[nemesismk2]

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[MarcVenice]

I've been pondering exactly this. I like the idea of Nvidia playing possum. I mean, just before the HD 5870 launches, they show their cards, and totally blow the HD 5870 away. All the ATI hype gone, Nvidia hype in full swing. So that possibility is still open.

If they don't show their cards, literally, something is wrong. Because if Nvidia claims their cards will be out in a month, they could deter people from buying ATI's cards, because those people want to see what Nvidia has to offer and are most likely willing to wait a month. That of course would be a good move from Nvidia. So if they stay silent, they are in trouble.

 

[nitromullet]

I went with other, which in my case really means "I don't know".

NVIDIA is seldom silent about anything, so this is a tough call.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Can't really say now. If they have a monster, there should be 'leaks' around the time the HD 5000 series hits retail. If things are quiet, oh snap. Having said that, I don't really know how far along the GT300 is in development. Is it even realistic to expect performance preview 'leaks' in a month?

 

[zebrax2]

Other
They will be out around December although the performance difference between the two camps wouldn't be that great. Also the situation will turn out like this generation although i do not see prices getting as low as todays

 

[Tempered81]

I honestly didn't think two people would vote the first choice...

GJ OCguy! hahahah

 

[imported_Asianman]

The thing is, ATI's current cards are going through price cuts to clear current stock, which means that production most likely have already started to slow down on the 4800 series. NV cards on the other hand, have not repositioned in any notable manner. I'm guessing that means that they have not slowed production of the GTX 200 series yet, which indicates another 1-2 months atleast.

 

[Idontcare]

Really need a third option there that involves efforts to move existing inventory at current ASP's before cannabilizing sales while hyping future product, regardless of the release timeline or the performance of that future product.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Really need a third option there that involves efforts to move existing inventory at current ASP's before cannabilizing sales while hyping future product, regardless of the release timeline or the performance of that future product.

So other.


The only problem with that IDC, is that at some point they need to try and take potential early adopter $$ as it gets closer to 5XXX retail availability here.

Would moving a few more GTX275s really be worth letting ATi having no counter, at least through "leaked" benchmarks, for another month or two?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Seems to me that the ati price reductions have eased up from where they were a couple of weeks ago. When I checked earlier today prices at newegg have creeped back up a bit.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Really need a third option there that involves efforts to move existing inventory at current ASP's before cannabilizing sales while hyping future product, regardless of the release timeline or the performance of that future product.

So other.


The only problem with that IDC, is that at some point they need to try and take potential early adopter $$ as it gets closer to 5XXX retail availability here.

Would moving a few more GTX275s really be worth letting ATi having no counter, at least through "leaked" benchmarks, for another month or two?

I don't see any problem, obviously as the situation develops in time and AMD releases more actionable info for consumers waiting to make purchasing decisions the evolution of NV's response will be just that, an evolving one.

But at this stage, the stage which your poll is attempting to characterize, I don't see any problem at all with NV's silence, there are no 5xxx products to buy and there are no full-blown comprehensive and competently done HD5xxx review articles for would-be consumers to digest at this time.

So what exactly is there for NV to counter that needs countering at this time?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

I don't see any problem, obviously as the situation develops in time and AMD releases more actionable info for consumers waiting to make purchasing decisions the evolution of NV's response will be just that, an evolving one.

But at this stage, the stage which your poll is attempting to characterize, I don't see any problem at all with NV's silence, there are no 5xxx products to buy and there are no full-blown comprehensive and competently done HD5xxx review articles for would-be consumers to digest at this time.

So what exactly is there for NV to counter that needs countering at this time?

So basically I am just being impatient?

I can accept that.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Idontcare

I don't see any problem, obviously as the situation develops in time and AMD releases more actionable info for consumers waiting to make purchasing decisions the evolution of NV's response will be just that, an evolving one.

But at this stage, the stage which your poll is attempting to characterize, I don't see any problem at all with NV's silence, there are no 5xxx products to buy and there are no full-blown comprehensive and competently done HD5xxx review articles for would-be consumers to digest at this time.

So what exactly is there for NV to counter that needs countering at this time?

So basically I am just being impatient?

I can accept that.

If 5870 launches with good availability and still no word, then I'd say Charlie could be on point. And that irony would suck and be amazing at the same time..

 

[RobertR1]

They're working on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR45ja_fNzU

 

[BenSkywalker]

With their marketing department's past record, being silent means the situation is so bad right now that they can't even think of a way to spin it into anything positive.

nV hyped NV30 to hell and back, they tend to get very, very loud when they are having issues, they tend to be the most quiet when they have no concerns.

Perhaps they will release some info when they are ready.

Seriously- you can start counting them as 'late' when they ship after ATi does. I think that odds are pretty high that is what is going to end up happening, but as of right now for all we know ATi could paper and announce their hard date and then have nV hard launch the day before their's. I don't find that likely, but again, we have absolutely nothing to go by outside of rumors, and the only ones that speak of massive issues for nV is Charlie who I can't recall being right on a prediction about new hardware..... ever?(Maybe he has, but I can't think of it)

I do think if they felt seriously threatened they would be pounding the hype drums like crazy atm. It is possible that they aren't going to be out until Q1 next year and still aren't worried though, depending on how yields are going and production capabilities of competitors they may just let ATi have the high end market for a couple months versus losing too much cash pushing large 40nm parts on to the market before they are viable for their bottom line.