Poll on abortion in case of 12 year old girl

[iwantanewcomputer]

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I generally disagree with abortion in cases where the pregnancy is because of irresponsible sexual activity, but something about this story makes me cringe. this girls life is fvcked up if she has a kid at 12. she can't even work to support it. she could still put it up for adoption, but 12 year olds shouldn't be having babies.

Please keep this flame free, i just want to see what people think of this.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Somebody very bad needs to happen to the mother. I can't quite think of a suitable punishment for that kind of tradegy though

I'm expecting dmcowen's "red state!" comments at any minute now. :roll:

To answer the question. Yes, an abortion would be warranted at her age.

 

[StageLeft]

Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

 

[Tab]

It's her choice, not mine. She should do whatever she feels is right. In the end God will judge her, not I.

 

[datalink7]

Where is the option for aborting the mother?

 

[ntdz]

Of COURSE she should have the option of an abortion in this case. I don't believe in abortion under normal circumstances however.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Where's the option to vote on aborting the mother. Drill her head and suck her brains out.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

Not necessarily. Killing people can be justified. Happens all the time (such as giving someone the death penalty, or in war).

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

You could use your moral relativity argument on a number of subjects...capital punishment, war, etc.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

Not necessarily. Killing people can be justified. Happens all the time (such as giving someone the death penalty, or in war).

So some justifications are okay while others ar not.How do we decide.

justiifcations

1 ) Its okay cause she is young and was raped
2 ) I was irresponsible and got knocked up.

Whats the basis for accepting one and not the other.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

Not necessarily. Killing people can be justified. Happens all the time (such as giving someone the death penalty, or in war).

So some justifications are okay while others ar not.How do we decide.

justiifcations

1 ) Its okay cause she is young and was raped
2 ) I was irresponsible and got knocked up.

Whats the basis for accepting one and not the other.

Choice.

 

[Speedy3D!]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

Not really. Abortion is a gray area, hence the constant and vigorous debate about it.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

Originally posted by: Speedy3D!

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

Not really. Abortion is a gray area, hence the constant and vigorous debate about it.

she probly doesn't want to be pregnant, give birth, and give up the child, and i don't blame her for her situation, so i don't necessarrily think she should have to do this

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Somebody very bad needs to happen to the mother. I can't quite think of a suitable punishment for that kind of tradegy though

I'm expecting dmcowen's "red state!" comments at any minute now. :roll:

To answer the question. Yes, an abortion would be warranted at her age.

Well you beat me to the Red State comment, that aside I disagree partly with your "solution".

Seriously unless the 12 yr old faces danger from the "fetus" at some point why abort it?

The choice should be up to the one pregnant including in this case a 12 yr old.

There are many families that would gladly adopt the child if the 12 yr old's family is not capable of supporting the baby.

Obviously in this case that is the case since the Mother is clearly not even suitable enough to be a Mother herself.

It's a sad situation but the decision should be for the one carrying the fetus.

Notice I said fetus not person.

That's where the Radical Fundamentalists get nuts, they give the same rights to a fetus that is not even thinking yet as we do up until the Schiavo case happened where the adult is back to a fetus state.

If she decides she does not want to go through with carrying full term all others should respect her decision, period.

Who the hell do people think they are making a decision for someone else's body???

Especially men.

 

[datalink7]

hat's where the Radical Fundamentalists get nuts

I know personally no less than 6 Atheist's who are Pro-Life. In fact, that is more Atheist's who are Pro-Life than I know Atheist's who are Pro-Choice.

Don't assume it is only religious fundamentalists that are Pro-Life.

*PSA: I hate the "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" lables, and only use them because they are common convention and people know what I'm talking about when I do.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Tabb
It's her choice, not mine. She should do whatever she feels is right. In the end God will judge her, not I.

That is a coward's way out of forming any opinion on the subject. By your logic, I should be free to kill you, since man is apparently not fit to judge his fellow man. How ridiculous. :roll:

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Of COURSE she should have the option of an abortion in this case. I don't believe in abortion under normal circumstances however.

i have to agree with skoorb; why would an abortion be okay in this case but not under "normal" circumstances?

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: ntdz
Of COURSE she should have the option of an abortion in this case. I don't believe in abortion under normal circumstances however.

i have to agree with skoorb; why would an abortion be okay in this case but not under "normal" circumstances?

Read the rest of the thread. Sometimes killing can be justified.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Tabb
It's her choice, not mine. She should do whatever she feels is right. In the end God will judge her, not I.

That is a coward's way out of forming any opinion on the subject. By your logic, I should be free to kill you, since man is apparently not fit to judge his fellow man. How ridiculous. :roll:

Oh really??? Then what is you are doing??? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: ntdz
Of COURSE she should have the option of an abortion in this case. I don't believe in abortion under normal circumstances however.

i have to agree with skoorb; why would an abortion be okay in this case but not under "normal" circumstances?

Read the rest of the thread. Sometimes killing can be justified.

but in the context of abortion it's either okay or it's not.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

I would agree with you: either it's taking a life or it isn't. For me, even when its a tough or painful choice, I try to treat it as if that is the case.

EDIT: And YES of course this is a tough case, but I still would say that abortion is not morally right even in this situation. It's very tragic what happened to this girl and we are all demanding justice for her. The mother should be punished for what she did. But the abortion thing is a separate issue... you still have the issue of whether or not to end the baby's life... THAT hasn't changed, just the circumstances surrounding it.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: ntdz
Of COURSE she should have the option of an abortion in this case. I don't believe in abortion under normal circumstances however.

i have to agree with skoorb; why would an abortion be okay in this case but not under "normal" circumstances?

Read the rest of the thread. Sometimes killing can be justified.

but in the context of abortion it's either okay or it's not.

According to some anyway.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Flawed poll - I was forced to vote yes on teh first question, when what I really meant was 'yes it would be acceptable', not 'yes, it is the right thing to do'.

My answer is the same for the second question.

 

[glorifiedg790]

Originally posted by: Speedy3D!

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Get the thing adopted. Either abortion is right or it is not. This moral relativity is rather silly "OH, i don't agree with it...unless she was raped!" Who give a half sh*t why she's pregnant. Either it's not killing somebody, in which case it's fine, or it is, in which case deal with it and give it away if you don't like it.

Not really. Abortion is a gray area, hence the constant and vigorous debate about it.

how is it a gray area? either you kill your child or let it live. either way the mother has reall messed up her children and deserves to be beaten.

 

[glorifiedg790]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Somebody very bad needs to happen to the mother. I can't quite think of a suitable punishment for that kind of tradegy though

I'm expecting dmcowen's "red state!" comments at any minute now. :roll:

To answer the question. Yes, an abortion would be warranted at her age.

Well you beat me to the Red State comment, that aside I disagree partly with your "solution".

Seriously unless the 12 yr old faces danger from the "fetus" at some point why abort it?

The choice should be up to the one pregnant including in this case a 12 yr old.

There are many families that would gladly adopt the child if the 12 yr old's family is not capable of supporting the baby.

Obviously in this case that is the case since the Mother is clearly not even suitable enough to be a Mother herself.

It's a sad situation but the decision should be for the one carrying the fetus.

Notice I said fetus not person.

That's where the Radical Fundamentalists get nuts, they give the same rights to a fetus that is not even thinking yet as we do up until the Schiavo case happened where the adult is back to a fetus state.

If she decides she does not want to go through with carrying full term all others should respect her decision, period.

Who the hell do people think they are making a decision for someone else's body???

Especially men.

so you wouldnt mind if you were terminated as a fetus? strange. you wouldnt be alive if you were aborted. Fetus's can think its just we don't remember any of it. I know if I new of abortion when I was in the womb I would want my chance at life. Since the girls is 12 and the Mother a monster she should give it up for adoption.