Poll on religious tolerance

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80
I know it's hard for you as a Brit to understand this, but we see our rights to be God given, not by people. So I'm sorry if it's hard for me to accept a President who is atheist, who might go "stalinesque" on us.

And no, Christians are not communists. Jesus asked individuals to help his fellow man. He did not point a gun at society and force them to produce for Him.

Jesus also said easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Let us know which charity you are giving all your worldly goods away to.

Don't worry about me, I plan on dying penniless, even if it means spending all that money to prevent fascist fuck faces like you from stealing from other people.

Fascist fuck face? Very christian of you, exactly how jesus would have phrased it, I'm sure.

Please stay in school so you at least learn the meaning of words you fling as insults. I know you had to drop poli-sci because the professor was liberal or something, but surely you can read a history book on your own? I can lend you a few dollars if you need it. Reasonable interest rates too.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80
I know it's hard for you as a Brit to understand this, but we see our rights to be God given, not by people. So I'm sorry if it's hard for me to accept a President who is atheist, who might go "stalinesque" on us.

And no, Christians are not communists. Jesus asked individuals to help his fellow man. He did not point a gun at society and force them to produce for Him.

Jesus also said easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Let us know which charity you are giving all your worldly goods away to.

Don't worry about me, I plan on dying penniless, even if it means spending all that money to prevent fascist fuck faces like you from stealing from other people.

I agree that stealing is wrong, fascism, if you knew the term at all, which you don't, does not mean that the government steals from people, it has to do with opression, something you love.

So embrace it and go in pieces my son.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80
I know it's hard for you as a Brit to understand this, but we see our rights to be God given, not by people. So I'm sorry if it's hard for me to accept a President who is atheist, who might go "stalinesque" on us.

And no, Christians are not communists. Jesus asked individuals to help his fellow man. He did not point a gun at society and force them to produce for Him.

Jesus also said easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Let us know which charity you are giving all your worldly goods away to.

Don't worry about me, I plan on dying penniless, even if it means spending all that money to prevent fascist fuck faces like you from stealing from other people.

Fascist fuck face? Very christian of you, exactly how jesus would have phrased it, I'm sure.

Please stay in school so you at least learn the meaning of words you fling as insults. I know you had to drop poli-sci because the professor was liberal or something, but surely you can read a history book on your own? I can lend you a few dollars if you need it. Reasonable interest rates too.

I actually think he's pretty old, like 102 or something, he definently has had his last bout of alzheimers, he can't even remember he's supposed to follow Christ anymore.

Let's just lay off the poor old man, he's sick on a level we probably don't understand.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80
I know it's hard for you as a Brit to understand this, but we see our rights to be God given, not by people. So I'm sorry if it's hard for me to accept a President who is atheist, who might go "stalinesque" on us.

And no, Christians are not communists. Jesus asked individuals to help his fellow man. He did not point a gun at society and force them to produce for Him.

Jesus also said easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Let us know which charity you are giving all your worldly goods away to.

Don't worry about me, I plan on dying penniless, even if it means spending all that money to prevent fascist fuck faces like you from stealing from other people.

Fascist fuck face? Very christian of you, exactly how jesus would have phrased it, I'm sure.

Please stay in school so you at least learn the meaning of words you fling as insults. I know you had to drop poli-sci because the professor was liberal or something, but surely you can read a history book on your own? I can lend you a few dollars if you need it. Reasonable interest rates too.

You are still a fascist fuck face as the sky is blue. And I still love you, brother.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80
I know it's hard for you as a Brit to understand this, but we see our rights to be God given, not by people. So I'm sorry if it's hard for me to accept a President who is atheist, who might go "stalinesque" on us.

And no, Christians are not communists. Jesus asked individuals to help his fellow man. He did not point a gun at society and force them to produce for Him.

Jesus also said easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Let us know which charity you are giving all your worldly goods away to.

Don't worry about me, I plan on dying penniless, even if it means spending all that money to prevent fascist fuck faces like you from stealing from other people.

Fascist fuck face? Very christian of you, exactly how jesus would have phrased it, I'm sure.

Please stay in school so you at least learn the meaning of words you fling as insults. I know you had to drop poli-sci because the professor was liberal or something, but surely you can read a history book on your own? I can lend you a few dollars if you need it. Reasonable interest rates too.

You are still a fascist fuck face as the sky is blue. And I still love you, brother.

Are you a parody of yourself at times or is it just me thinking you are?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Theistic religions may have some negative impact on my decision. For instance, I would never vote for anybody who admitted to being a creationist, because I believe we really need a more rational thinker for a president.


If there was a Secular Humanist Atheist running, then there would be no possible negative impact based upon religion. But that's about it.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Belief in God and not wanting to destroy our nation = OK with me.

No muslims, no athiests, no gays.

Thanks for reminding me why conservatives are dog shit.

thanks for reminding me that people who stereotype based on some caricature are dog shit... seems to me the whole reason for this silly thread...

Stereotype? Spidey is just articulating what most conservatives believe (but few actually have the balls to admit publicly). In a way, Spidey's position is actually admirable because he's very honest about being a bigoted piece of shit, usually either you guys are vague or toe the line as close as you can. Funny how some of you hang on to his jock strap 99% of the time, but now you guys are strangely silent. If you wanted to prove that stereotype wrong, there should be a firestorm in this thread and you guys should be on his ass right now.

And lets get the whole cat out of the bag, another 'requirement' for POTUS that you guys don't publicly say is that they need to be white.

I see the Phokusbot is still in working order.

I waited to respond to see if the conservative ATPN borg actually had any decency to condemn spidey07 and raise hell even after i pointed out what a piece of shit he was, but thank you and your scumbag ilk for proving my point.

Next time one of you douchebag conservatives try to claim MLK as one of your own with his 'i have a dream' speech or claim you want meritocracy in society or hilariously claim that conservatives aren't predisposed to being bigoted pieces of shit that you are, i'll link to this thread.

I have to tip my hat off to spidey, you're doing my job for me (thanks for the new sig material too)

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Belief in God and not wanting to destroy our nation = OK with me.

No muslims, no athiests, no gays.

Thanks for reminding me why conservatives are dog shit.

thanks for reminding me that people who stereotype based on some caricature are dog shit... seems to me the whole reason for this silly thread...

Stereotype? Spidey is just articulating what most conservatives believe (but few actually have the balls to admit publicly). In a way, Spidey's position is actually admirable because he's very honest about being a bigoted piece of shit, usually either you guys are vague or toe the line as close as you can. Funny how some of you hang on to his jock strap 99% of the time, but now you guys are strangely silent. If you wanted to prove that stereotype wrong, there should be a firestorm in this thread and you guys should be on his ass right now.

And lets get the whole cat out of the bag, another 'requirement' for POTUS that you guys don't publicly say is that they need to be white.

I see the Phokusbot is still in working order.

I waited to respond to see if the conservative ATPN borg actually had any decency to condemn spidey07 and raise hell even after i pointed out what a piece of shit he was, but thank you and your scumbag ilk for proving my point.

Next time one of you douchebag conservatives try to claim MLK as one of your own with his 'i have a dream' speech or claim you want meritocracy in society or hilariously claim that conservatives aren't predisposed to being bigoted pieces of shit that you are, i'll link to this thread.

I have to tip my hat off to spidey, you're doing my job for me (thanks for the new sig material too)

Why would I condemn spidey07? I don't care what he thinks, it doesn't affect me. If you think I'm a conservative, you're as stupid as he is.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Belief in God and not wanting to destroy our nation = OK with me.

No muslims, no athiests, no gays.

Thanks for reminding me why conservatives are dog shit.

thanks for reminding me that people who stereotype based on some caricature are dog shit... seems to me the whole reason for this silly thread...

Stereotype? Spidey is just articulating what most conservatives believe (but few actually have the balls to admit publicly). In a way, Spidey's position is actually admirable because he's very honest about being a bigoted piece of shit, usually either you guys are vague or toe the line as close as you can. Funny how some of you hang on to his jock strap 99% of the time, but now you guys are strangely silent. If you wanted to prove that stereotype wrong, there should be a firestorm in this thread and you guys should be on his ass right now.

And lets get the whole cat out of the bag, another 'requirement' for POTUS that you guys don't publicly say is that they need to be white.

I see the Phokusbot is still in working order.

I waited to respond to see if the conservative ATPN borg actually had any decency to condemn spidey07 and raise hell even after i pointed out what a piece of shit he was, but thank you and your scumbag ilk for proving my point.

Next time one of you douchebag conservatives try to claim MLK as one of your own with his 'i have a dream' speech or claim you want meritocracy in society or hilariously claim that conservatives aren't predisposed to being bigoted pieces of shit that you are, i'll link to this thread.

I have to tip my hat off to spidey, you're doing my job for me (thanks for the new sig material too)

Why would I conserve spidey07? I don't care what he thinks, it doesn't affect me. If you think I'm a conservative, you're as stupid as he is.

I've said it 100 times, you pretend you're not (and you do an absolutely horrible job of it)

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

I mean, seriously, dismissing some of the greatest minds because you didn't like their personal beliefs... It's just fucking daft. Are you really that daft?

So you'd vote for a KKK grand wizard for president then?

You've created a false moral equivalency.

I would vote for a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Athiest, or homosexual. I would not vote for a KKK Grand Wizard, and the logic is quite self-evident and sane.

Modern religions are quite diverse and encompass a great number of people with each individual retaining societal and personal beliefs that they can use to mold to themselves a religious identity. It is not uncommon to see Conservative, Liberal, Capitalist, Socialist, Anarchist, and Fascist Christians. This probably results from the ambiguous and often conflicting texts of Old and New Testaments, the sheer length of these books and the small likelihood that a Christian has actually read the entirety of them, and the use of religion by agencies as a control and method of indoctrination.

Given the wide variety of beliefs, I am of the conclusion that the only commonality that one might find among all Christians, and that which separates them from other religions, is that they at least tentatively, or superficially, accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. However, having discussed this issue with many Christians, the beliefs in the teachings or the meaning of the teachings of Jesus Christ greatly vary. It seems a Christian identity is largely personal and almost strictly theistic in nature. Given that this belief does not preclude differing opinions on American ethos, I find them to be rather inconsequential.

I should mention that this is not an attack on Christianity, simply an argument as to why a personal moral choice need not necessarily affect one's ability to represent the body politic, who might hold differing personal views.

If Christianity had some other intrinsic and widespread commonality, then I would consider it by its own merit in public discourse. For instance, if all Christians were pro-life then I would consider this belief as I made my choice at the polls. This is a belief that would drastically alter public policy and perhaps affect me and my interaction with government and culture.

However, most in this country self-identify as Christian and we are roughly evenly split when it comes to our two major parties. I just don't think religion has significant enough correlation to political affiliation for it to be of concern.

Thus, the difference between a KKK Grand Wizard and a Muslim is that the KKK would appear to be a much more clearly defined organization with regards to a specific belief that would alter public policy, that is racism. I have yet to see a KKK Grand Wizard (or any member of the KKK) promote racial harmony and equality. I then consider that any member of the KKK is going to carry this belief into policy that affects the polity. Simply being a Muslim does not tell me enough about your policy beliefs for me to make an informed decision. If every Muslim believed in no taxes or high taxes, then it would affect my decision.

In addition, I think I need to address your specific comparison, namely because of its ridiculousness. It is not unreasonable to assume that many Christians, Athiests, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, ad infantium, believe in racial equality. I think it is very disingenuous of you, even in jest, to compare you voting for a Muslim to any other member voting for a KKK Grand Wizard (perhaps one of the most famous Grand Wizards was David Duke, self-proclaimed Christian).

More importantly, many Christians hold beliefs differing from your's. If you had a choice to vote between a Christian Obama or Athiest Ron Paul, I find it hard to believe you'd vote for Obama. I may be wrong, and correct me if I am, but I would imagine you'd vote for Paul or not vote at all. In other words, in my personal opinion, you're using religion as a justification as to why people should hold political beliefs and as to why you will only vote for those people.

If I am wrong, and you would choose a Christian Obama, or not vote at all, then I do think your views are myopic. Your inability to consider individuals with differing religious beliefs, regardless of their relative insignificance in deciding public policy, drastically reduces your effectiveness and value in our Republic. You've voluntarily curtailed your depth of representation to what? Prove a point? Satisfy yourself knowing that someone else also is a self-proclaimed Christian? I would rather practice my personal ethical convictions in societal constructs and personal religious convictions at home.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Theistic religions may have some negative impact on my decision. For instance, I would never vote for anybody who admitted to being a creationist, because I believe we really need a more rational thinker for a president.


If there was a Secular Humanist Atheist running, then there would be no possible negative impact based upon religion. But that's about it.

100% win.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Theistic religions may have some negative impact on my decision. For instance, I would never vote for anybody who admitted to being a creationist, because I believe we really need a more rational thinker for a president.


If there was a Secular Humanist Atheist running, then there would be no possible negative impact based upon religion. But that's about it.

100% win.

And 100% bigotry.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Belief in God and not wanting to destroy our nation = OK with me.

No muslims, no athiests, no gays.

Thanks for reminding me why conservatives are dog shit.

thanks for reminding me that people who stereotype based on some caricature are dog shit... seems to me the whole reason for this silly thread...

Stereotype? Spidey is just articulating what most conservatives believe (but few actually have the balls to admit publicly). In a way, Spidey's position is actually admirable because he's very honest about being a bigoted piece of shit, usually either you guys are vague or toe the line as close as you can. Funny how some of you hang on to his jock strap 99% of the time, but now you guys are strangely silent. If you wanted to prove that stereotype wrong, there should be a firestorm in this thread and you guys should be on his ass right now.

And lets get the whole cat out of the bag, another 'requirement' for POTUS that you guys don't publicly say is that they need to be white.

I see the Phokusbot is still in working order.

I waited to respond to see if the conservative ATPN borg actually had any decency to condemn spidey07 and raise hell even after i pointed out what a piece of shit he was, but thank you and your scumbag ilk for proving my point.

Next time one of you douchebag conservatives try to claim MLK as one of your own with his 'i have a dream' speech or claim you want meritocracy in society or hilariously claim that conservatives aren't predisposed to being bigoted pieces of shit that you are, i'll link to this thread.

I have to tip my hat off to spidey, you're doing my job for me (thanks for the new sig material too)

I don't know why you're acting all superior - it's not like progressives have that much better a record of voting for muslims or atheists than Republicans. I can think of one acknowledged atheist in Congress (Pete Stark, D. CA) and one Muslim (Keith Ellison, D, MN).

 

[Corporate Thug]

I voted "It would weigh against them" across the board.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

All religions threads eventually turn into pissing matches. They are collectively as worthless as tits on a boar hog.

 

[spittledip]

If the person running has good ideas and has integrity, I do not care what religion they belong to. Quite honestly, religion is often just used as a tool by politicians to pander to certain voters, so it almost seems like a non-issue.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
All religions threads eventually turn into pissing matches. They are collectively as worthless as tits on a boar hog.

And on this board, the most intolerant are those without religion. It's the same ole "intolerance is bad and hateful, as long as you agree with my intolerance."

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Any religion weighs against a candidate in my view. It shows they lack critical thinking and mental acuity. Of course I mentally transposed "president" with "prime minister of NZ".

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Theistic religions may have some negative impact on my decision. For instance, I would never vote for anybody who admitted to being a creationist, because I believe we really need a more rational thinker for a president.


If there was a Secular Humanist Atheist running, then there would be no possible negative impact based upon religion. But that's about it.

100% win.

And 100% bigotry.

Says the guy who earlier posted that all muslims, atheists, and gays want to destroy our nation.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Vic

Says the guy who earlier posted that all muslims, atheists, and gays want to destroy our nation.

Reading comprehension and basic english fail. Two separate paragraphs, two separate points. You know what a carriage return is vic.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Belief in God and not wanting to destroy our nation = OK with me.

No muslims, no athiests, no gays.

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Vic

Says the guy who earlier posted that all muslims, atheists, and gays want to destroy our nation.

Reading comprehension and basic english fail. Two separate paragraphs, two separate points. You know what a carriage return is vic.

If the points were so separate, why even include the line, "No muslims, no athiests, no gays"? It would be reading comprehension fail NOT to see that your point was that muslims, atheists, and gays want to destroy our nation AND that you would never vote for a muslim, atheist, or homosexual for President purely for the reason that they are muslim, atheist, or homosexual.

What is wrong with you now, guy? Seriously, you have become the right wing McOwen here. That's not a good thing.

In this thread, first you post "No muslims, no athiests, no gays" for President. That point was obvious. Then, when someone posts that "theistic religions may have some negative impact on my decision, " you say that is "100% bigotry" and that "And on this board, the most intolerant are those without religion. It's the same ole 'intolerance is bad and hateful, as long as you agree with my intolerance.'"

Your unabashed hypocrisy is simply breathtaking. I mean, wow.

 

[Vic]

And for the record, I voted "Yes, it would have no negative effect on my vote" on every single item.

All else being equal, I don't give a shit about some politician's religious views. I care about his politics. As long as he doesn't mix the 2, I'm good.

 

[Vic]

Oh... so spideymcowen decided to take his ball and go home? :roll:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Any religion weighs against a candidate in my view. It shows they lack critical thinking and mental acuity. Of course I mentally transposed "president" with "prime minister of NZ".

Not really. One of the most brilliant people in biology is a Christian and he does quite well. In fact he heads the NIH. That numbnuts- what's his name? Dawkins? yeah that's it, tried to sabotage his appointment for the reason you cite, but Collins overpowers him intellectually. It was kind of funny reading someone who's comparatively not very bright trying to be critical when there was no criticism to be had about any of Collins work. Dawkins just hates him because he has religious beliefs. He really isn't very smart.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Phokus
I've said it 100 times, I pretend I'm not stupid (but I do an absolutely horrible job of it)

Can't argue with you there.