Poll on the UN

[cmdavid]

In light of the recent failings of the UN..

 

[Infohawk]

What about needs some reform?

I think the UN needs some reform.

 

[cmdavid]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What about needs some reform?

I think the UN needs some reform.

added it for you...

 

[Infohawk]

More specifically I think we need a new kind of security counsel. Maybe everyone rotates. If it remains the same, UK and France should be merged into an EU vote. But overall I think the security counsel format is unfair.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I think that any type of reform that would make the UN less of a 'failure' would probably be too idealistic/never going to happen.

 

[Klixxer]

I love the types who are so willing to discuss this without having ANY clue what the UN really is or does.

www.un.org

When you have read the full 65000 pages, we'll talk, until then, keep rieading.

 

[daveshel]

I think it could use some post-Soviet reshaping, but I think it is going to be playing an even more important role in the 21st century than it did in the 20th. Globalism is an irresistable force but we need to have a body that has the ability to provide checkes and balances to US imperial power.

 

[Infohawk]

Interesting that if the UN had been let to do its work the US wouldn't be in the mess its in now and there wouldn't be as many Iraqi civilians dead.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Interesting that if the UN had been let to do its work the US wouldn't be in the mess its in now and there wouldn't be as many Iraqi civilians dead.

The way I see it, is that the UN needed just enough evidence of Iraqi WMD to keep inspections going and the Oil-4-Food program going. But not too much evidence that would lead to an invasion and the end to inspections and Oil-4-Food.

The Oil-4-Food program was killing Iraqi children and fattening pockets of some in the UN, and a bank in France, IIRC.

 

[bamacre]

DP

 

[cwjerome]

I voted needs major reform. The UN is a joke and it's dangerous. I will definately make arguments on why this is so... but I'm at work, so another time.

 

[imported_litesgod]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Interesting that if the UN had been let to do its work the US wouldn't be in the mess its in now and there wouldn't be as many Iraqi civilians dead.

Also just as interesting to note that when left to its work the UN has managed to do absolutely nothing about the issues in Rowanda, Bosnia and now the Sudan.

Even more interesting is that the US has been trying to push a resolution to get the UN more involved in Sudan but it has been blocked by France and Germany (who both have large oil ventures in the Sudan)*. So far the UN has done the equivalent of telling the government to stop being a naughty boy (UN Resolution 1556).

The UN needs major overhaul or it will go the way of the League of Nations.

*Much more information about this in the Time magazine cover story a few weeks ago.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: litesgod

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Interesting that if the UN had been let to do its work the US wouldn't be in the mess its in now and there wouldn't be as many Iraqi civilians dead.

Also just as interesting to note that when left to its work the UN has managed to do absolutely nothing about the issues in Rowanda, Bosnia and now the Sudan.

Even more interesting is that the US has been trying to push a resolution to get the UN more involved in Sudan but it has been blocked by France and Germany (who both have large oil ventures in the Sudan)*. So far the UN has done the equivalent of telling the government to stop being a naughty boy (UN Resolution 1556).

The UN needs major overhaul or it will go the way of the League of Nations.

*Much more information about this in the Time magazine cover story a few weeks ago.

The USA didn't do much about those situations either. Guess the US needs major reforms too...

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: litesgod

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Interesting that if the UN had been let to do its work the US wouldn't be in the mess its in now and there wouldn't be as many Iraqi civilians dead.

Also just as interesting to note that when left to its work the UN has managed to do absolutely nothing about the issues in Rowanda, Bosnia and now the Sudan.

Even more interesting is that the US has been trying to push a resolution to get the UN more involved in Sudan but it has been blocked by France and Germany (who both have large oil ventures in the Sudan)*. So far the UN has done the equivalent of telling the government to stop being a naughty boy (UN Resolution 1556).

The UN needs major overhaul or it will go the way of the League of Nations.

*Much more information about this in the Time magazine cover story a few weeks ago.

The USA didn't do much about those situations either. Guess the US needs major reforms too...

Yeah, you're right. We should just go at it alone without UN approval. :disgust:

 

[cwjerome]

The USA didn't do much about it either, infohawk? I take it you think the UN and USA are synonymous and have the same interests and responsibilities. Maybe it's a subconscious clue to a world government mindset.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
I take it you think the UN and USA are synonymous and have the same interests and responsibilities.

Nope.

 

[Pliablemoose]

[unambassadorvoice]Who's limo are we taking for our $100 lunch today? I have a new limo, let's ride in it.[/unambassadorvoice]

 

[ReiAyanami]

only one change is needed.

rename it from United Nations to ---> League of Nations

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
[unambassadorvoice]Who's limo are we taking for our $100 lunch today? I have a new limo, let's ride in it.[/unambassadorvoice]

Not all UN ambassadors are like the US UN ambassadors, just FYI.

 

[klah]

http://www.sudantribune.com/ar...e.php3?id_article=6057

Now, the growing threat of United Nations sanctions on Sudan and Iran, which between them supply 20 percent of China's oil imports, puts Beijing in an awkward situation of having to choose between safeguarding its investments and protecting the country's international image.

Last month, the Chinese government barely managed to water down a U.N. Security Council resolution, which threatened to halt Sudan's oil exports if it did not stop the atrocities in the Darfur region where pro-government Arab militias are terrorising the region's population.

China's ambassador at the U.N. Wang Guangya has indicated that Beijing would veto any future resolution that imposed sanctions.

But another vital source of oil resources for the country could be cut off if the United Nations imposes sanctions on the regime in Iran. The International Atomic Energy Agency will consider in November whether Teheran is in breach of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and if it needs to be referred to the Security Council for possible sanctions.

I guess if the communist Chinese do not want a genocide stopped the world should adhere to their wishes. Same with islamofascists obtaining nuclear weapons.

 

[sandorski]

Needs some Reform.

The UN works well, such as it is, it's really the Members that don't work well and muck up situations. Those saying the UN is ineffective or a failure, you'd probably need a standing UN Army to fix situations to your satisfaction and I suspect such a thing and the use of it would feed into your paranoia of the UN. So becareful what you ask for.

The Security Council needs reformed above all else. Get rid of Permanent Members or change the ability of Members to block Resolutions.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I love the types who are so willing to discuss this without having ANY clue what the UN really is or does.

www.un.org

When you have read the full 65000 pages, we'll talk, until then, keep rieading.

You haven't read the full 65000 pages either, so why are you talking?

Voted for major reform.

 

[CanOWorms]

Considering that most UN peacekeeping missions involve peacekeepers in torture, rape, child prostitution, gun smuggling, etc. I'd vote for at least some reform. I think they should let a few countries in as permanent UN SC members too and possibly drop one or so.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think they should let a few countries in as permanent UN SC members too and possibly drop one or so.

Care to be more specific?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think they should let a few countries in as permanent UN SC members too and possibly drop one or so.

Care to be more specific?

I think they should add Brazil, India, Japan, Germany. Maybe consolidate France, Germany, UK if they all end up having the same foreign policy under the EU and then definitely add Brazil, India, Japan.