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Jhhnn

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Kavanaugh is most certainly lying about what was written in his yearbook.

The persona he's been trying to project throughout these hearings is a lie, start to finish. He's the Trojan Horse nominee.
 

UglyCasanova

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...gh-ford-hearing-was-never-about-truth/571729/

Let us fully dispense with the polite fiction that last week’s Senate hearings on the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh were intended to bring us closer to a common understanding of the truth. This entire affair is not about truth, but power—who will wield it, and at whose expense
Agreed, although not necessarily the entirety of the rest of his conclusions. Interesting read
 

brycejones

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...gh-ford-hearing-was-never-about-truth/571729/

Let us fully dispense with the polite fiction that last week’s Senate hearings on the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh were intended to bring us closer to a common understanding of the truth. This entire affair is not about truth, but power—who will wield it, and at whose expense
Agreed, although not necessarily the entirety of the rest of his conclusions. Interesting read

Very true, the majority clearly showed they had zero interest in getting to the truth.

"How, against this backdrop, can the fiction persist that this spectacle has been in pursuit of truth? If truth, rather than power, were the object, we would have to look more carefully at the patchwork of claims about Kavanaugh’s temperancethat his classmates contradict. If truth were the object, we would have to speak more plainly about a band of men gathered for the second time in recent history to speed another man past charges of sexual misbehavior into our nation’s highest court. And we would have to stop pretending that one of the main engines of our politics at this moment is not who holds power over women—not merely over women’s rights or bodies, but over the very reality they inhabit."

From the same opinion piece linked to by UC.
 

UglyCasanova

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Yep like I said I don’t really agree with the rest of his conclusions, but he’s spot on about it being about power not truth.
 

UglyCasanova

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We're just not willing to entertain your "But Hillary!" diversion into false equivalency.


It’s a valid point that it seems many here are uncomfortable trying to address or default to some kind of lame arguement that "a presidency is only four years so it doesn’t really matter". Pretending to want the truth about Ms Fords allegations and that it should immediately disqualify Mr Kavanaugh seems empty knowing that you voted a woman to be president knowing that she sought to ruin the reputations of alleged rape victims and possibly intimidate them into silence because it was inconvenient for her and her husband politically.

Besides, posting "concern" is an empty diversion.
 

ivwshane

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It’s a valid point that it seems many here are uncomfortable trying to address or default to some kind of lame arguement that "a presidency is only four years so it doesn’t really matter". Pretending to want the truth about Ms Fords allegations and that it should immediately disqualify Mr Kavanaugh seems empty knowing that you voted a woman to be president knowing that she sought to ruin the reputations of alleged rape victims and possibly intimidate them into silence because it was inconvenient for her and her husband politically.

Besides, posting "concern" is an empty diversion.

You are comparing a sexual assaulter with a wife who was cheated on. Apples and oranges.
In fact, she was a victim in her own right and you are calling for her punishment because of the actions of her husband. Its quite absurd but not surprising coming from a guy who has trouble identifying and understanding racism.
 

Jhhnn

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It’s a valid point that it seems many here are uncomfortable trying to address or default to some kind of lame arguement that "a presidency is only four years so it doesn’t really matter". Pretending to want the truth about Ms Fords allegations and that it should immediately disqualify Mr Kavanaugh seems empty knowing that you voted a woman to be president knowing that she sought to ruin the reputations of alleged rape victims and possibly intimidate them into silence because it was inconvenient for her and her husband politically.

Besides, posting "concern" is an empty diversion.

I haven't said that Ford's allegations disqualify Kavanaugh. I said that the shit show he gave us in denying them disqualifies him. I said that his blatant misrepresentations throughout the hearings disqualifies him. Your allegations about Hillary don't have anything to do with that. It's the equivalent of "You're the real Nazis!"
 
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UglyCasanova

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You are comparing a sexual assaulter with a wife who was cheated on.


No I’m comparing an alleged sexual assaulted to a politician who sought dirt on women who were alleging sexual assault in order to run a smear campaign on them to tarnish their reputations because the allegations were a political inconvenience. And yeah she was cheated on too.
 

ivwshane

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No I’m comparing an alleged sexual assaulted to a politician who sought dirt on women who were alleging sexual assault in order to run a smear campaign on them to tarnish their reputations because the allegations were a political inconvenience. And yeah she was cheated on too.

Edited: reading failure on my part.

You are still comparing an assailant with someone who is married to an assailant, who is a victim in her own right. Her "smear campaign" was a typical human reflex, especially prevalent among females.
 
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Jhhnn

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No I’m comparing an alleged sexual assaulted to a politician who sought dirt on women who were alleging sexual assault in order to run a smear campaign on them to tarnish their reputations because the allegations were a political inconvenience. And yeah she was cheated on too.

Well, yeh, of course. I mean, why talk about Kavanaugh when we can find a way to drag Hillary into it & talk about her instead, right?
 
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UglyCasanova

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Edited: reading failure on my part.

You are still comparing an assailant with someone who is married to an assailant, who is a victim in her own right. Her "smear campaign" was a typical human reflex, especially prevalent among females.


Her smear campaign is a politicians reflex, prevelant among politicians. I don’t think her gender has anything to do with it.
 

ivwshane

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Her smear campaign is a politicians reflex, prevelant among politicians. I don’t think her gender has anything to do with it.

Then you don't know women or humans very well. Most partners, when confronted that their partner has cheated on them tend to focus their anger on the third party instead of their partner. I don't know why that is but its what happens.
 
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ivwshane

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For one, it was one testimony. Two, any corroborating evidence she had wasn't allowed to be submitted to the committee, such as her therapy sessions, her polygraphers testimony on the results of the polygraph, and any other potential witnesses (her husband, Mike judge).
Finally, there was also no cross examination of the accused.

So thanks for posting that little turd. She was a political pawn and was happy to play the part.
 

mikeymikec

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Nah, my arguement is you only seem to selectively care about sexual assault allegations and were going to elect a woman for president who ridiculed those making the accusations, was involved with trying to research dirt on them to attack their reputations, and possibly even tried to intimidate them into silence.

It’s not about politics, right?

And yet when I attempted to take you up on that argument you ignored it. I wonder why that is, Mr "both sides, I voted independent yet strangely enough I seem to have swallowed the GOP narrative hook, line and sinker"?
 

fskimospy

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I can confirm that hiring investigators to dig up dirt on those doing the accusations in an attempt to smear their reputation and possibly intimidating them into silence is somewhere in the same ballpark.

You are insane. They are not even close to the same thing and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Not everyone is as sick as you are and it’s very telling that you think they are.
 

brycejones

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Yep like I said I don’t really agree with the rest of his conclusions, but he’s spot on about it being about power not truth.

Since the overall tone of the piece is that the GOP is ramming this through and its about power. If you ignore the part of the GOP ramming it through what do you think the "conclusion" you agreed with means? You cherry picked a line from an opinion piece and then ignore the actual opinion.
 

UglyCasanova

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For one, it was one testimony. Two, any corroborating evidence she had wasn't allowed to be submitted to the committee, such as her therapy sessions, her polygraphers testimony on the results of the polygraph, and any other potential witnesses (her husband, Mike judge).
Finally, there was also no cross examination of the accused.

So thanks for posting that little turd. She was a political pawn and was happy to play the part.

Ms Ford is the one that didn’t turn over the therapy notes and lie detector results. Shared them with WaPo but when the Senate Committee asked she didn’t provide to them. You don’t find that odd?
 

ecogen

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Ms Ford is the one that didn’t turn over the therapy notes and lie detector results. Shared them with WaPo but when the Senate Committee asked she didn’t provide to them. You don’t find that odd?

The majority denied to subpoena Mark Judge the other alleged man in the room. You don't find that odd?
 

IJTSSG

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Ms Ford is the one that didn’t turn over the therapy notes and lie detector results. Shared them with WaPo but when the Senate Committee asked she didn’t provide to them. You don’t find that odd?
Did she share them with the WaPo. Did she not share them? Did she just share a summary? 8 weeks ago and she couldn't remember. Whatever.
 

IJTSSG

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For one, it was one testimony. Two, any corroborating evidence she had wasn't allowed to be submitted to the committee, such as her therapy sessions, her polygraphers testimony on the results of the polygraph, and any other potential witnesses (her husband, Mike judge).
Finally, there was also no cross examination of the accused.

So thanks for posting that little turd. She was a political pawn and was happy to play the part.
I'm not sure what your post reeks of more, stupidity or desperation. In either case, stay downwind. Fucking idiot.
 

UglyCasanova

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She provided portions of them to WaPo. She didn’t provide any of it to the Senate committee.
 
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