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[Greenman]

Rather than going meta, why not weigh in with your opinion of the overall Kavanaugh situation. We've had a few conservatives sounding like a one-sided broken record already, see if you can do any better?

The "situation" was a contrived piece of theater that should have never seen the light of day. The accusation against Kavanaugh should have been quietly investigated before it was made public. The simple reality is the accusation wasn't credible. No date, no location, and one witness that doesn't remember an event that happened 35 years ago. That's not enough. The vote went exactly as it would have three weeks ago.

 

[mikeymikec]

The "situation" was a contrived piece of theater that should have never seen the light of day. The accusation against Kavanaugh should have been quietly investigated before it was made public. The simple reality is the accusation wasn't credible. No date, no location, and one witness that doesn't remember an event that happened 35 years ago. That's not enough. The vote went exactly as it would have three weeks ago.

And you think that Kavanaugh acted in a way that suited the position he was applying for?

 

[ch33zw1z]

And you think that Kavanaugh acted in a way that suited the position he was applying for?

Simply doesn't matter. Conservatives have repeatedly shown their ideology and feels are more important than anything.

 

[Greenman]

And you think that Kavanaugh acted in a way that suited the position he was applying for?

No, no I don't. Though I can understand him being angry if he truly believed he was being falsely accused for political reasons.
The reality is the far left is never going to be satisfied with his appointment. The arguments and questions will never end. The entire dog and pony show we just went through did nothing to change the outcome. The only thing it accomplished was driving the wedge between the left and right a little deeper. No one benefited, the US isn't any better off for having watched what at best was a soap opera, and at worst a smear campaign.

 

[mikeymikec]

No, no I don't. Though I can understand him being angry if he truly believed he was being falsely accused for political reasons.

Are you OK with him being appointed based on his performance in that interview?

 

[ivwshane]

When confronted with an unpleasant reality, simply make up a conspiracy theory to explain away the actions of your enemies fellow Americans leftists.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The democrats were idiots about it. Trump was an idiot about it and his and other republicans actions screamed that they did not care if he was guilty, it was all about the party line and getting him confirmed. There should have been more time taken. They should have at least acted as if they gave a shit about the allegations instead of immediately saying it was a democrat conspiracy. Kavanaugh, no matter how distraught he was (I mean let's face it, none of us would like to be in that situation) should have tried to keep his composure a bit more. People keep trying to pretend that offices of power don't have some responsibility to be better than the average person. Both SCOTUS and the POTUS should be held to higher standards than what we are being shown. The excuses made for the actions the last two years are insane.

From the evidence we were provided (as the public) there didn't seem to be any to make him guilty. That being said, there is still much doubt over the actual investigation and honestly, who wouldn't expect there to be some cover ups? Do you really trust that they gave a damn? Trump has repeatedly shown he doesn't care. He is a deny deny deny person no matter how much actual proof there is.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, no I don't. Though I can understand him being angry if he truly believed he was being falsely accused for political reasons.
The reality is the far left is never going to be satisfied with his appointment. The arguments and questions will never end. The entire dog and pony show we just went through did nothing to change the outcome. The only thing it accomplished was driving the wedge between the left and right a little deeper. No one benefited, the US isn't any better off for having watched what at best was a soap opera, and at worst a smear campaign.

Which would have been avoided entirely had McConnell not changed the rules. Kavanaugh wouldn't have had a chance if confirmation required 60 votes for cloture. He likely would not have been nominated.

 

[soulcougher73]

No, no I don't. Though I can understand him being angry if he truly believed he was being falsely accused for political reasons.
The reality is the far left is never going to be satisfied with his appointment. The arguments and questions will never end. The entire dog and pony show we just went through did nothing to change the outcome. The only thing it accomplished was driving the wedge between the left and right a little deeper. No one benefited, the US isn't any better off for having watched what at best was a soap opera, and at worst a smear campaign.

Do you care that he lied under oath about small things like boofing, devils triangle etc?

 

[dainthomas]

Which would have been avoided entirely had McConnell not changed the rules. Kavanaugh wouldn't have had a chance if confirmation required 60 votes for cloture. He likely would not have been nominated.

If it takes two thirds to get them out, it should take two thirds to put them in. That'll give us a court of centrists, which is as it should be.

 

[mikeymikec]

Are you OK with him being appointed based on his performance in that interview?

@Greenman No answer?

 

[spacejamz]

If it takes two thirds to get them out, it should take two thirds to put them in. That'll give us a court of centrists, which is as it should be.

Gee I wonder why we don't have that anymore???? I'm gonna have to really really scratch my head on that one....

 

[soundforbjt]

Gee I wonder why we don't have that anymore???? I'm gonna have to really really scratch my head on that one....

I'll give you a hint, he looks like a turtle. And he passes the buck by blaming a democrat.

 

[spacejamz]

I'll give you a hint, he looks like a turtle. And he passes the buck by blaming a democrat.

You are actually going to claim that it wasn't the democrats who are responsible for only requiring 51 votes instead of 60???

wow...just wow.....

 

[soundforbjt]

You are actually going to claim that it wasn't the democrats who are responsible for only requiring 51 votes instead of 60???

wow...just wow.....

For SC judges...absolutely. You're saying he DID'NT change the rule? Wow !

 

[fskimospy]

You are actually going to claim that it wasn't the democrats who are responsible for only requiring 51 votes instead of 60???

wow...just wow.....

Either way you look at it the republicans are nearly entirely to 'blame' for the death of the appointments filibuster. (I consider this a good thing, however)

1) If you want to look at the immediate cause, it was Mitch McConnell changing the rules to make SCOTUS appointments require 51 votes instead of 60.

2) But wait!, you say, it was Harry Reid who removed it for all but SCOTUS nominees so it's really the Democrats' fault!

3) This was done in response to McConnell saying he would filibuster 100% of Democratic nominees to important circuit courts regardless of their qualifications. ie: he was simply going to grind the judiciary of the country to a halt because he didn't want more Democratic appointees. This was in flagrant violation of the agreement Democrats and Republicans came to under Bush when Republicans first threatened to eliminate it. Since Republicans broke the agreement, eliminating the filibuster was the only rational response.

 

[Greenman]

@Greenman No answer?

I didn't watch the entire process. But overall, I'm fine with his appointment. I would much prefer a supreme court that operated as an arbiter of constitutionality, but that's no longer possible (if it ever was).
Fords accusation should have been quietly investigated before the proceedings started, but someone decided it would work better as a bombshell. At the end of the day, no one benefited. Kavanaugh's been dragged through the mud, and the #meto movement has lost some credibility. Though Ford did walk away with a bucket full of money, and her book will probably bring in a whole bunch more.

 

[mikeymikec]

But overall, I'm fine with his appointment.

So you think he didn't act in a manner suited to the role he was being interviewed for but you think he should have got the job?

I guess that makes sense to you. It doesn't to me.

 

[spacejamz]

For SC judges...absolutely. You're saying he DID'NT change the rule? Wow !

Guess i have some crow pie to eat...I saw several articles about Democrats regretting using the 2013 nuclear option in recent days...I didn't realize it was changed for SC judges...



Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Minnesota Democrat, expressed remorse that her party eviscerated the power of the filibuster five years ago, leaving them no path to stop Judge Kavanaugh, barring Republican defections.

Ms. Klobuchar, who voted with fellow Democrats in 2013 to trigger the “nuclear option” and curtail the filibuster, said she would support reverting to the 60-vote rule should her party regain the Senate.

“I don’t think we should have made that change when we look back at it. But it happened because we were so frustrated because President Obama wasn’t able to get his nominees, but I think we would have been in a better place now,” she said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

 

[HomerJS]

Guess i have some crow pie to eat...I saw several articles about Democrats regretting using the 2013 nuclear option in recent days...I didn't realize it was changed for SC judges...



Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Minnesota Democrat, expressed remorse that her party eviscerated the power of the filibuster five years ago, leaving them no path to stop Judge Kavanaugh, barring Republican defections.

Ms. Klobuchar, who voted with fellow Democrats in 2013 to trigger the “nuclear option” and curtail the filibuster, said she would support reverting to the 60-vote rule should her party regain the Senate.

“I don’t think we should have made that change when we look back at it. But it happened because we were so frustrated because President Obama wasn’t able to get his nominees, but I think we would have been in a better place now,” she said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Could have Obama just said "fuck those motherfuckers" and made all recess appointments?

 

[HomerJS]

The democrats were idiots about it. Trump was an idiot about it and his and other republicans actions screamed that they did not care if he was guilty, it was all about the party line and getting him confirmed. There should have been more time taken. They should have at least acted as if they gave a shit about the allegations instead of immediately saying it was a democrat conspiracy. Kavanaugh, no matter how distraught he was (I mean let's face it, none of us would like to be in that situation) should have tried to keep his composure a bit more. People keep trying to pretend that offices of power don't have some responsibility to be better than the average person. Both SCOTUS and the POTUS should be held to higher standards than what we are being shown. The excuses made for the actions the last two years are insane.

From the evidence we were provided (as the public) there didn't seem to be any to make him guilty. That being said, there is still much doubt over the actual investigation and honestly, who wouldn't expect there to be some cover ups? Do you really trust that they gave a damn? Trump has repeatedly shown he doesn't care. He is a deny deny deny person no matter how much actual proof there is.

Somehow despite lying and making up the entire episode according to Trump and Republicans, Ford managed to keep it together.

 

[jackstar7]

So you think he didn't act in a manner suited to the role he was being interviewed for but you think he should have got the job?

I guess that makes sense to you. It doesn't to me.

Sounds all white to me.