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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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What does your questions have to do with he mud slinging that occurred Thursday? If that’s what was discussed we’d be in much better shape as a country. It wasn’t though. Instead of discussing how he would rule, he was having to defend himself against a baseless accusation from 36 years ago.
He should take a polygraph
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
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I’ll agree he lied about blackout drunk and I dunno what Devil’s Triangle is so no comment there. Not sure how that makes him a scumbag bough. Is anyone who’s been blackout drunk a scumbag? Because that’s a very high percentage of adults at some point. Did you ever do anything when you were younger or are you a puritanical saint?
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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I’ll agree he lied about blackout drunk and I dunno what Devil’s Triangle is so no comment there. Not sure how that makes him a scumbag bough. Is anyone who’s been blackout drunk a scumbag? Because that’s a very high percentage of adults at some point. Did you ever do anything when you were younger or are you a puritanical saint?
Google devil's triangle, it's three-way sex with two men and one woman.
 

homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
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Let me ask you the same question I posed earlier in the thread, you may have read it:

Do you think a President is above the Law?
Do you think a President should be subpoenaed to testify?
Do you think a President should be indicted if the crimes warrant it?

If your answer is yes to the first and no to the second and third, then Brett's your boy. If you believe otherwise, then you should be against him.
Will you answer?

Of course, as a rational unbiased thinker, the answer is a resounding no, yes, yes. I honestly can not think of a single argument, logical or otherwise against that.

However, 1 + 1 should not equate to 3 here.

Kavanaugh is fighting against a flimsy allegation here, one savored, stewed, and shelved for political purpose, period. An allegation not even made for justice, but rather to smear an individual and hope the residue is enough to spoil despite the outcome.

As I said before, I actually believe that she is telling the truth the best she remembers. However, allegations such as these warrant investigation to determine validity prior to a smear campaign, do you not agree?

If someone was accusing you of sexual assault, and the media and powerful people were aligning with the accuser in a public forum well before you had a chance to defend yourself, and well before it had been properly vetted, would you not disagree with that treatment?

Do you feel people should be dishonored, and dismantled in a public forum on allegation alone?
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Of course, as a rational unbiased thinker, the answer to all three is a resounding yes. I honestly can not think of a single argument, logical or otherwise against that.

However, 1 + 1 should not equate to 3 here.

Kavanaugh is fighting against a flimsy allegation here, one savored, stewed, and shelved for political purpose, period. An allegation not even made for justice, but rather to smear an individual and hope the residue is enough to spoil despite the outcome.

As I said before, I actually believe that she is telling the truth the best she remembers. However, allegations such as these warrant investigation to determine validity prior to a smear campaign, do you not agree?

If someone was accusing you of sexual assault, and the media and powerful people were aligning with the accuser in a public forum well before you had a chance to defend yourself, and well before it had been properly vetted, would you not disagree with that treatment?

Do you feel people should be dishonored, and dismantled in a public forum on allegation alone?
Snipped out the not pertinent portion of your post. Kavanaugh is not fit to hold a Supreme Court post because he doe not support the Constitution and would give Presidents powers not allowed under the Constitution. The rest is noise.
 
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homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
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Snipped out the not pertinent portion of your post. Kavanaugh is not fit to hold a Supreme Court post because he doe not support the Constitution and would give Presidents powers not allowed under the Constitution. The rest is noise.

Feel free to decide what you want to filter in or out, that does not change things. Is he fit for the supreme court? Perhaps not, but to try and keep him out by publicly smearing him with allegations is something we all should be against, despite your political viewpoint.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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Of course, as a rational unbiased thinker, the answer to all three is a resounding yes. I honestly can not think of a single argument, logical or otherwise against that.

However, 1 + 1 should not equate to 3 here.

Kavanaugh is fighting against a flimsy allegation here, one savored, stewed, and shelved for political purpose, period. An allegation not even made for justice, but rather to smear an individual and hope the residue is enough to spoil despite the outcome.

As I said before, I actually believe that she is telling the truth the best she remembers. However, allegations such as these warrant investigation to determine validity prior to a smear campaign, do you not agree?

If someone was accusing you of sexual assault, and the media and powerful people were aligning with the accuser in a public forum well before you had a chance to defend yourself, and well before it had been properly vetted, would you not disagree with that treatment?

Do you feel people should be dishonored, and dismantled in a public forum on allegation alone?
You don’t want change your answer for the first one?

Why doesn’t Kavanaugh demand a FULL FBI investigation? Why doesn’t he want the truth to come out? What’s he afraid of? If Republicans wouldn’t have hidden 100,000 documents from the judiciary committee, these allegations probably wouldn’t have even seen the light of day.
 
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As someone who is following the democratic party line verbatim (scream and yell, belittle, change goal posts, wash rinse repeat) such as you are, its rich you calling anyone else a shill.

I refuse to be a political puppet like you, and succumb to tribal politics. I refuse to vilify a person over baseless allegations, and I refuse to be told that I should be angry, and in need of a box of crayons because someone does not agree with me.

Some day you are going to grow up and realize you are being manipulated, chained and slaved to a master who leads you not by carrot but by hatred.

Considering Republicans elected a President entirely on what you allege is the "Democratic Party line", your post is rich with irony. And hypocrisy.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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As someone who is following the democratic party line verbatim (scream and yell, belittle, change goal posts, wash rinse repeat) such as you are, its rich you calling anyone else a shill.

I refuse to be a political puppet like you, and succumb to tribal politics. I refuse to vilify a person over baseless allegations, and I refuse to be told that I should be angry, and in need of a box of crayons because someone does not agree with me.

Some day you are going to grow up and realize you are being manipulated, chained and slaved to a master who leads you not by carrot but by hatred.

What a great rebuttal, you really showed me how unbiased you are by not addressing a single point I made. I'm sure you'll continue to ignore them too.

I get it, you are a snowflake and both sides suck. Its not tribalism that you are seeing though, its just not being intellectually lazy like you and the other "both sides" bitches (who unironically liked your post). The irony however is that you are indeed a puppet. You are the reason the GOP and Russians run propaganda campaigns, because they work and you are easy marks.



Without even knowing your posting history I bet I can describe you to a T.

You are a libertarian
You think both parties suck
You think Hillary is a corrupt politician
You think trump won because he spoke to the working class
You think "all lives matter"
You think the 2nd amendment is the most important amendment

Prove me wrong, show me a single post of yours that contradicts anything I said about you.
 

homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
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You don’t want change your answer for the first one?

Why doesn’t Kavanaugh demand a FULL FBI investigation? Why doesn’t he want the truth to come out? What’s he afraid of? If Republicans wouldn’t have hidden 100,000 documents from the judiciary committee, these allegations probably wouldn’t have even seen the light of day.

Of course I do/did.. (see edit)

I do not think he is afraid of anything, and he should be demanding an investigation, if for nothing else but to expose the democratic party line of smearing instead of fighting with facts.
 

homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
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Considering Republicans elected a President entirely on what you allege is the "Democratic Party line", your post is rich with irony.

Roch perhaps if I were a Republican, but I am not so your point is moot. I call a duck a duck no matter where I hear it quack...
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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Of course I do/did.. (see edit)

I do not think he is afraid of anything, and he should be demanding an investigation, if for nothing else but to expose the democratic party line of smearing instead of fighting with facts.
He was afraid to talk honestly about his drinking, he constantly deflected when questioned about it. He said I like beer. He’s hiding the facts about his time at the Bush WH , he’s definitely hiding something. Something’s got him very afraid.
 
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homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
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What a great rebuttal, you really showed me how unbiased you are by not addressing a single point I made. I'm sure you'll continue to ignore them too.

I get it, you are a snowflake and both sides suck. Its not tribalism that you are seeing though, its just not being intellectually lazy like you and the other "both sides" bitches (who unironically liked your post). The irony however is that you are indeed a puppet. You are the reason the GOP and Russians run propaganda campaigns, because they work and you are easy marks.



Without even knowing your posting history I bet I can describe you to a T.

You are a libertarian
You think both parties suck
You think Hillary is a corrupt politician
You think trump won because he spoke to the working class
You think "all lives matter"
You think the 2nd amendment is the most important amendment

Prove me wrong, show me a single post of yours that contradicts anything I said about you.

You know nothing about me except it frustrates you that I do not conform to a political box like you. I am a free thinker, not blinded by bias like you. I have answered everything thrown at me, you are just too politically blind to see. It takes strength, intelligence, and wisdom to stand alone so I understand the fear of stepping outside your comfort box, I do not hold it against you. You have to do whatever it is that you think keeps you right, keeps you safe. Unfortunately that means toeing your party line, win at all cost, hate everyone not like you, close minded to think for yourself.

That reminds me a lot of some people throughout history...
 

homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
611
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He was afraid to talk honestly about his drinking, he constantly deflected when questioned about it. He said I like beer. He’s hiding the facts about his time at the Bush WH , he’s definitely hiding something. Something’s got him very afraid.

OK perhaps, but I dont think it has anything to do with this allegation.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,344
15,154
136
You know nothing about me except it frustrates you that I do not conform to a political box like you. I am a free thinker, not blinded by bias like you. I have answered everything thrown at me, you are just too politically blind to see. It takes strength, intelligence, and wisdom to stand alone so I understand the fear of stepping outside your comfort box, I do not hold it against you. You have to do whatever it is that you think keeps you right, keeps you safe. Unfortunately that means toeing your party line, win at all cost, hate everyone not like you, close minded to think for yourself.

That reminds me a lot of some people throughout history...

Lol! And another post where you refuse to address the points I originally raised.

Nailed it!
 

SKORPI0

Lifer
Jan 18, 2000
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2,347
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So what will happen "IF" this allegations prove to be false (mistaken identity?) after 7 or even 8 FBI investigations? With no corroborating evidence from those who where at that party, why was this circus even shown in TV and who orchestrated this to happen?

 
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homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
611
61
91
This allegation wouldn’t have ever surfaced had he and the GOP been honest. He brought it on himself.

Ah, the old "yes we did something vile and slimy, but he deserved it". It horrifies me that this has become a plausible option in today's world. There are ways to gain what you want without losing ones dignity. It all comes down to what you believe. Is more important to be right, to win, then it is to be a decent human being? I am honestly asking you?
 

homebrew2ny

Senior member
Jan 3, 2013
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So what will happen "IF" this allegations prove to be false (mistaken identity?) after 7 or even 8 FBI investigations? With no corroborating evidence from those who where at that party, why was this circus even shown in TV and who orchestrated this to happen?


All good questions, but unfortunately in today's political atmosphere, the ends always justify the means. Its very dangerous when a population turns in to a mob, persuaded by allegation and blinded by political bias.
 
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