Poll: Pitbull vs Gray Wolf

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MagnusTheBrewer

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A pitbull charged out of a neighbors yard while I was walking my male Great Pyr. The pitbull paused to bark and my Pyr clamped down on his head and sat down with his head in his jaws thus lifting the pitbull's feet off the ground. I told him to stay and he sat there until the owner came and got his pitbull. Neither dog was hurt and we continued our walk.
 

Raduque

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@ op: you should edit the poll and remove the "Results!" answer - fuesetalk has a "view results" button
 

So

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Originally posted by: Raduque
@ op: you should edit the poll and remove the "Results!" answer - fuesetalk has a "view results" button

Dude, this is AT, Results! is a tradition.
 

cjchaps

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From a site: The APBT ranges in size from 22 pounds to 110 pounds (rare), with the most common being between 35 - 55 pounds

So a average pitbull weights 55 pounds.

GRay Wof: Range between 20-80 kg (44-176 lb.); average 40 kg (88 lb.)

So average for the wolf is 88 lbs.

On the intraweb it says gray wolves have a bite pressure of 1500 lbs per foot and canines max out at 350.

So, statistically it looks like the wolf would win.

In my opinion it would probably depends on who got the good first bite. If either got a good clamp on the other's neck it would probably be over.

Also bigger mouth doesn't always mean a bigger advantage... same or more force in a smaller area = more damage. So a wolf bite on average would probably do more damage than a pit bulls.

I would say the Wolf would have the advantage.
 

Mermaidman

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Originally posted by: KingGheedora
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lol!

Pitbull is mighty, but wild and wiley grey wolf has my vote. In the end, both will succumb to mortal injuries.
 

mrzed

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Stop it all with the "wolves are pack animals" nonsense. Anybody ever wonder where the term "lone wolf" comes from? Dogs are pack animals too.

Fact is, wolves attack in packs OR on their own. Depends what they prey animal is, as well as what social grouping the wolf is part of (or not). The pack wolves everybody thinks of are the majority, but there are plenty of loners.

Also, the fact is, wild animals are tough ass sons of bitches compared to domesticated. That's why a 70lb orangutan can pull apart a 180lb athletic man, a badger or racoon can mess the hell out of your german shpherd, and my 14 lb cat is too smart to go attacking a 1lb squirrel though he takes in plenty of mice and birds.
 

Oceandevi

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Being that a wolf is a pack animal and learns to fight as part of a pack, I'd say the pitbull has has a decent chance.

All dogs are "pack animals" They all learn to fight the same way, as a puppy with other puppies.

 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
No such thing as the "lock jaw factor"
""Pit Bulls have locking jaws." The jaws of the Pit Bull are functionally the same as the jaws of any other breed, and this has been proven via expert examination.

The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of Pit Bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any [other] breed of dog. There is absolutely not evidence for the existence of any kind of ?locking mechanism? unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier, says Dr. I. Lerh Brisbin of the University of Georgia (from the ADBA booklet, ?Discover the American Pit Bull Terrier.) "

"?Pit Bulls have more bite pressure per square inch (PSI) than any other breed.? This is pure speculation at best, damaging myth at worse. There have been no exhaustive studies conducted to prove that Pit Bulls have the strongest jaws of any breed. There likely could not be any truly conclusive testing done to measure something like strongest breed PSI. A reason for this lies in the fact that dogs bite with varying pressure depending upon the situation, and what factors are driving the bite at that particular point in time. A dog cannot be instructed to bite down on a measuring device as hard as possible, so a tester could have no way of knowing whether or not a particular dog being tested is actually using its jaws to capacity in any given testing phase. There is also large size variation in any breed, and one must assume strength varies as well. A very large (but not typical or standard) Pit Bull may bite harder than a small Rottweiler, German Shepherd, or other breed, while a standard sized Pit Bull may not have as much jaw power as a larger, typical sized Rottweiler, etc. Also, if one breed is to claim ?highest bite pressure?, all breeds would have to be compared. All 500+ of them."

"14. How strong are a gray wolves' jaws?

The massive molars and powerful jaws of a wolf are used to crush the bones of its prey. The biting capacity of a wolf is 1,500 pounds of pressure per square inch. The strength of a wolf's jaws makes it possible to bite through a moose femur in six to eight bites. In comparison, a German shepherd has a biting pressure of 750 pounds per square inch. A human has a much lower biting pressure of 300 pounds per square inch."

The numbers are all over the place depending on what site you go to

What does PSI mean for a dog?? What if the dog only has 2 teeth? Suddenly PSI is much higher.. And how in the hell do you measure PSI for a tooth that ends in a sharp point? Why don't they measure it in pounds? It's exactly the same as saying a person can bench press 73838PSI.
 

meltdown75

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ROFL I love how this got serious.

Honestly though, it is nice to see people chime in with their knowledge. That is one of the good things about ATOT. Without my ignorant "lockjaw" post, we might not have seen thedarkwolf's kick ass interesting post.

so yeah, I :heart: ATOT sometimes and that's why I have 6 trillion posts. sometimes it sucks too though. anyway... thanks for the boards, Anand.
 

2Dead

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Isn't pack hierarchy determined by 1 on 1 fights between wolves (dogs too) even if it isn't to the death? So its not like they can't fight 1 on 1. So the wolf should have the advantage but as has been sait, it would probably determine who got the better bite down first.
 

JetsFanatic

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Originally posted by: So
Wolf easily. Wolves are bigger, and much smarter. Domestication generally makes animals dumber.

I would not say dumber. They just do not need the skill set to get their own food. We have take that away from them by domestication.
 

Gooberlx2

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A pitbull is bred for pretty incredible strength and leverage. I think it would be a toss up.
 

Codewiz

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I think the difference between the two is this. Bulldogs of any type have an EXTREMELY high tolerance for pain. This is where the pitbull lock jaw myth comes from. A pitbull in attack mode doesn't care about pain. It is almost like they are immune to it.

So that being the case, my vote is that a pitbull will win.
 

ShockwaveVT

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Wolves have the speed and strength to take down elk and moose. PBT's may be tenacious and strong for their size, but I believe an average PBT would simply be overwhelmed by a wolf's size & strength advantage.


 

So

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
I think the difference between the two is this. Bulldogs of any type have an EXTREMELY high tolerance for pain. This is where the pitbull lock jaw myth comes from. A pitbull in attack mode doesn't care about pain. It is almost like they are immune to it.

So that being the case, my vote is that a pitbull will win.

Attack mode? So Pitbulls are like the optimus prime of dogs?
 
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