POLL: Secession?

[techs]

Ok, so a majority favor allowing secession.
What now? Do we petition the White House?
Can it get put on the ballot in some states?

Let's move, people. I want Texas gone by 2016.

 

[IronWing]

Ok, so a majority favor allowing secession.
What now? Do we petition the White House?
Can it get put on the ballot in some states?

Let's move, people. I want Texas gone by 2016.

It would take a Constitutional amendment. So get crackin'.

 

[Anarchist420]

"Secession is as American as apple pie".

 

[Thump553]

First the GOP wants to revisit issues that were settled in the 1950s and 1960s. Now they are going for the 1860s. I'm waiting for the GOP to rebrand themselves as the Royalist Party.

 

[techs]

It would take a Constitutional amendment. So get crackin'.

Would it? Did the Supreme Court ever rule on secession? If so, what about if the congress passes a law agreeing to it?

 

[wuliheron]

LOL, the US stole most of that land from Mexico at the urging of these same ignorant hillbillies, then they insisted on their right to own slaves, then they started the civil war, and now that they're finally losing the culture wars altogether they want to try and secede again. All this despite the fact the average Fox News viewer is a senior citizen and the average republican is 50 and aging fast. Screw them. Just wait for the old farts to die out. Even their kids want nothing to do with them anymore.

 

[sportage]

Does all this Secession push mean these people have turned traitor against the US?
I mean, the US constitution provides freedoms of speech and loyalty to the constitution.
If one wishes to secede, have they not also given up those all rights, broken their pledged loyalty, and become traitors to the union?
Haven't people in the past been hung for such actions?
And does not signing such a pledge or cause for action to secede in fact sever any loyalty to fellow Americans, the US constitution, and love for one's country?
What exactly does supporting secession stand for with the individual, not to mention the state involved?
Isn't that as close as one can come to an act of war against the homeland?
Liberty? Country?
And what would be next? Bearing arms against you former fellow citizens?
We've jailed Communist that sought to bear arms against this nation.
Went to war against such peoples.
Died in war to preserve our way of life against such peoples.
Aren't we taking all this secession talk a little lightly, considering?
Considering what action for secession actually boils down to?
Are we living in the mists of traitors?

I bring this up because I think we are taking this a little lightly.
Calling those people loony, or sadly miss informed souls.

But really, what does it say about someone that would actually put their name down on paper turning face against love of country, the United States constitution, loyalty to the nation?

 

[Throckmorton]

Yes, secession should be allowed. It's called self determination and I believe it's a recognized human right.

 

[sportage]

Yes, secession should be allowed. It's called self determination and I believe it's a recognized human right.

For a human right to be recognized you have to elaborate on whom is doing the recognizing.
If these secessionist secede, where is their alliance?
Surely, no longer the United States of America.
Iran? Iran doesn't recognize human rights.
China? Do they?
Soviet Union?
Mexico?
Canada?
Im asking...

One wishing to secede from a country that does recognize, one wishing that severing from, and then to feel they can be protected under the very laws and protection they just severed themselves from?
Me doubts' it do workie like that.... Duh!

To secede, to sever one from a constitution, from a country, sets forth that person like someone afloat at sea. No homeland to call their own. The occupant of an illusion.
Which shore would that person head for?
Who's flag are they proclaiming protections of freedom under?
Surely not their former homeland. They just seceded from that. Remember...???

Just goes to illustrate a point. How dumbed down have people become?
They don't like an election, so they are going to sign up to secede.
Secession is an all, or none proposition.
So secessionist, just what are you being impelled to do here?
Are you smarter than a five year old?

 

[Vic Vega]

sell the hillbilly states to the Mexicans.
we'll allow those who registered Democrats or Independents lower rates into California. Free second day pass to Disneyland too.

Agreed. Start with New York state. They have a ton.

 

[IGBT]

Or sell.

Sell Florida to the Cubans.

..or sell California to the Chinese!! what a great idea. There would be liberals hanging from every light post.

 

[IGBT]

LOL, the US stole most of that land from Mexico at the urging of these same ignorant hillbillies, then they insisted on their right to own slaves, then they started the civil war, and now that they're finally losing the culture wars altogether they want to try and secede again. All this despite the fact the average Fox News viewer is a senior citizen and the average republican is 50 and aging fast. Screw them. Just wait for the old farts to die out. Even their kids want nothing to do with them anymore.

I would return the south / west to mexico in a heart beat. Much rather see them have it then the eco-KOOKS. VIVA LaRaza!!!

 

[techs]

Apparently its only the most patriot Americans that want to secede.
Or as Sarah Palin calls them "REAL Americans"

I wonder if Texas will reintroduce slavery if they secede?

 

[Jaskalas]

I see this as a moot point since what are we truly discussing? A couple backwoods rednecks and fundamentalists who are upset Obama won.

Maybe west and east coasters who want UHC instead of the abortion Obama sacrificed his entire first term to achieve.

 

[IGBT]

Apparently its only the most patriot Americans that want to secede.
Or as Sarah Palin calls them "REAL Americans"

I wonder if Texas will reintroduce slavery if they secede?

slavery was insisted on by southern democrats..they fought the civil war to KEEP slavery. You's democrats may have a decision to make soon.

 

[spittledip]

No, States should not be allowed to secede. It is a bit nonsensical to think that one of the rights of a state belonging to a country is the right to leave that country. That is democracy running in a crazy circle. One of the reasons this country is in such sad shape is that we have so many fools who think we should have freedom for freedom's sake... as if there are no consequences.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That seems curiously undemocratic (apart from the slaves bit).

The Constitution provided a means to join, however there was no mechanism for exiting. According to the way it's written the Constitution grants the Federal government positive powers. Whatever is stated is allowed and what is not mentioned is a right maintained be the states, or the people themselves. The problem was that states acted in ways that effectively nullified Federal authority. This was most often seen as some taxation scheme levied against the Feds, or the establishment of independent banking systems. The courts did something about this maintaining the Federal govt is supreme in certain areas. Also the concept of implicit powers was recognized. The Feds can build a navy for example, but to do so requires states to pay taxes, although a "navy tax" isn't an explicit mentioned in the Constitution. In essence to carry out explicit tasks, implicit actions to fulfill them are required. Thats a fairly understandable position. Unfortunately at least from my perspective, the acquisition and retention of power is a never ending process and clearly absurd rulings have come about as a result. Clearly there is no constitutional intent to prevent one from growing ones food, but our high court maintained that was perfectly permissable to prevent. The reasoning is that the Feds have the explicit right to regulate interstate commerce, but the government took the position that it could implicitly control things that had the potential to cross state lines or theoretically effect market price changes. Therefore growing your own food qualifies as well as everything else because reality does not matter. Likewise any state who wishes to leave might do some harm and therefore the federal government can prevent it by force of arms. Federal authoritarians love this because you have few rights and the government has the rest. The individual has enumerated rights, the federal govt has all other power it wishes exercise. Its counter to the original document, but we are largely mentally stunted, and consequently liberty and the concept of people being independent and accountable is not only alien but embarrassing and antiquated.

 

[trenchfoot]

I wish the ones that want to secede all the luck and goodwill they can handle on their way out the door.

The problem is that they'd want to rejoin the union the moment a white male Republican is elected president again.

Yet, I still wish they would because I'd like to see what a plutocracy that's heavily influenced by religious fundamentalists looks like and how it operates surrounded by a firmly established working democracy.

 

[techs]

I wish the ones that want to secede all the luck and goodwill they can handle on their way out the door.

The problem is that they'd want to rejoin the union the moment a white male Republican is elected president again.

Yet, I still wish they would because I'd like to see what a plutocracy that's heavily influenced by religious fundamentalists looks like and how it operates surrounded by a firmly established working democracy.

We should have a rule that if you leave there is a waiting period to come back.
Like 10 or 20 years.

Still, I would like a national referendum on expelling Texas. I think you could get at least half the voters to say kick them out.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We should have a rule that if you leave there is a waiting period to come back.
Like 10 or 20 years.

Still, I would like a national referendum on expelling Texas. I think you could get at least half the voters to say kick them out.

Couldn't you just sell Tejas back to it's rightful owners? Seems like a more lucrative deal to me.

 

[spittledip]

All the people who want to kick Texas out are as equally retarded as the Texans who want to secede.

 

[techs]

All the people who want to kick Texas out are as equally retarded as the Texans who want to secede.

This is the misguided "equivalency" that is destroying America.

Texas benefits hugely from being in the United States.
On the other hand Texas while big is still just a small fraction of the US and without Texas there are many, many advantages for the US. Not the least of which would be to end the attempt by the Republican party to use its refusal to govern as an attempt to foment an economic crisis in the US.

 

[trenchfoot]

This is the misguided "equivalency" that is destroying America.

Texas benefits hugely from being in the United States.
On the other hand Texas while big is still just a small fraction of the US and without Texas there are many, many advantages for the US. Not the least of which would be to end the attempt by the Republican party to use its refusal to govern as an attempt to foment an economic crisis in the US.

Something they've done with great success. What they haven't done of late is to fix the blame for the crisis they are largely responsible for on Obama, as the last election results indicate.

You can fool some of the people........

 

[spittledip]

This is the misguided "equivalency" that is destroying America.

Texas benefits hugely from being in the United States.
On the other hand Texas while big is still just a small fraction of the US and without Texas there are many, many advantages for the US. Not the least of which would be to end the attempt by the Republican party to use its refusal to govern as an attempt to foment an economic crisis in the US.

You seriously need to start thinking for yourself. You can't seriously believe that Texas does not bring value to the economy, or at least bring in tax money?

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/federal_revenue_by_state.php

 

[soulcougher73]

Yes they should be allowed to. If this country is not great anymore and states think they can do it better, more power to them. Maybe they will succeed.