Poll: Should Russia be admitted back into the G7?

HomerJS

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G7 meeting is this weekend. Russia was kicked out back in 2014. Question asked considering current conditions. I won't detail them to avoid leading the witness. Look it up for yourself. Most people here know that information.

Show your work. Let's see justification for answer.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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While every nation looks out for its own interests, Russia screws other nations by interfering with their governments to an extraordinary level, at least as much the US and more with First World nations.

Nope.
 
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mikeymikec

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A country that goes around novichok'ing people in other countries then brazenly lying about it IMO should not be entitled to representation in any civilised discourse.
 

dank69

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Sure, right after they give back Crimea, apologize and pull out of Georgia, Ukraine.

As mike said, running a chemical weapon campaign of assassination in other countries would also have to stop.
Maybe stop causing and covering up nuclear disasters and shooting down commercial jets as well.
 

mikeymikec

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Maybe stop causing and covering up nuclear disasters and shooting down commercial jets as well.

TBH this thread got me thinking that if there was ever a good reason for a forced regime change, Russia would be it IMO. I can't imagine how much work that building up an uncorrupted replacement government right down to the local level would be though.

In world politics it's essential that a given developed country must be at least civil to its neighbours. Russia represents the most insidious opposite of that to my knowledge.
 

kage69

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Anyways, i agree that right now it would be a no but it definitely should be option in the future

I tire of seeing that brought up as a response to the airliner shot down over Ukraine. The Vincennes acted out of self-defense, and made many attempts to warn the aircraft off. It was acknowledged as an error, we accepted responsibility, ROE were tweaked, apologies from the top were made, and the victims families received compensation.

Completely different than the engagement that happened in Ukraine. The Vincennes didn't radio back to D.C. "Ha! We got'em!" US sailors didn't search through debris and use the victims debit cards. Then there is the campaign of disinformation and obstruction investigating the incident. Russophobia!

Situational differences and Russia's complete lack of contrition make it a very poor comparison.
 
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KMFJD

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I tire of seeing that brought up as a response to the airliner shot down over Ukraine. The Vincennes acted out of self-defense, and made many attempts to warn the aircraft off. It was acknowledged as an error, we accepted responsibility, ROE were tweaked, apologies from the top were made, and the victims families received compensation.

Completely different than the engagement that happened in Ukraine. The Vincennes didn't radio back to D.C. "Ha! We got'em!" US sailors didn't search through debris and use the victims debit cards. Then there is the campaign of disinformation and obstruction investigating the incident. Russophobia!

Situational differences and Russia's complete lack of contrition make it a very poor comparison.

Ya'll still shot down a civilian airliner and the U.S. government never admited legal liability or formally apologize to Iran. It's not at the same level as what happened in the Ukraine but it's still a mighty shitty thing to do....Christ they got medals for it....
 

kage69

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Ya'll still shot down a civilian airliner and the U.S. government never admited legal liability or formally apologize to Iran. It's not at the same level as what happened in the Ukraine but it's still a mighty shitty thing to do....Christ they got medals for it....

I respectfully request you read about incident more then. Just use the link you already posted, that'll work.

We apologized, we paid. The fact that it wasn't done through formal diplomatic channels doesn't change that almost 62 million went to Iranians. That's shitty?

Russians took the same Fuck You approach they did when they shot down Korean Air 007 in 1983. That's shitty.

Regarding the wreckage search/investigation into KAL 007:

"These missions met with interference by the Soviets,[69] in violation of the 1972 Incident at Sea agreement, and included false flag and fake light signals, sending an armed boarding party to threaten to board a U.S.-chartered Japanese auxiliary vessel (blocked by U.S. warship interposition), interfering with a helicopter coming off the USS Elliot (Sept. 7), attempted ramming of rigs used by the South Koreans in their quadrant search, hazardous maneuvering of Gavril Sarychev and near-collision with the USS Callaghan (September 15, 18), removing U.S. sonars, setting false pingers in deep international waters, sending Backfire bombers armed with air-to-surface nuclear-armed missiles to threaten U.S. naval units, criss-crossing in front of U.S. combatant vessels (October 26), cutting and attempted cutting of moorings of Japanese auxiliary vessels, particularly Kaiko Maru III, and radar lock-ons by a Soviet Kara-class cruiser, Petropavlovsk, and a Kashin-class destroyer, Odarennyy, targeting U.S. naval ships and the U.S. Coast Guard Cutter USCGC Douglas Munro (WHEC-724), USS Towers, escorting USS Conserver, experienced all of the above interference and was involved in a near-collision with Odarennyy (September 23–27).[70][71] "

The difference in American and Russian responses to these kinds of accidents is night and day, always has been probably always will.
 
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ivwshane

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So no one supports trumps call to get Russia back in?

Hmm...I guess this is another one of those threads where TDS (trump dick suckers) are conveniently absent from in order to not deal with their cult leaders stupidity. How telling.
 
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So no one supports trumps call to get Russia back in?

Hmm...I guess this is another one of those threads where TDS (trump dick suckers) are conveniently absent from in order to not deal with their cult leaders stupidity. How telling.

They haven't gotten the latest talking points/propaganda scripts yet.
 

trenchfoot

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Letting Putin back into the "G" is only going to make Trump and Putin happy about it. With sanctions still in place against Russia along with their ongoing meddling in other nation's elections only a useful idiot like Trump and sell out Moscow Mitch and his select Kremlin Krew of fellow Repub legislators think it's a good idea because they have each personally profited from their business relations with Putin and his oligarch henchmen.
 
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Genx87

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I find some of these reasons interesting for not letting Russia back into the G7. The US has done the same or worse. I don't think Russia should be let back into the G7 because they aren't even a top 10 economy.
 

HomerJS

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Oh come on @UglyCasanova and @khon waiting for you goys to add your intelletual heft to this discussion. Tell us why you think Russia should be allowed back in.

My reason for not letting them back in, they annexed part of another country and are still there.
 
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Well of course the President needs someone other than the English guy to pass love notes to under the table.
Putin is much hotter.
 

ivwshane

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I find some of these reasons interesting for not letting Russia back into the G7. The US has done the same or worse. I don't think Russia should be let back into the G7 because they aren't even a top 10 economy.

The US recently shot down a Commercial airline?
The US recently annexed foreign land?
The US recently and currently meddled in foreign Democratic elections?

Usually when someone gets in trouble they must atone for their past actions. What has Russia done to make amends for its behavior?

The original purpose of allowing Russia into the g7 was to help integrate them into western democracy. That failed and so long as Putin rules Russia they will never integrate into western society.
 

thraashman

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The top 11 countries by GDP are US, China, Japan, Germany, UK, India, France, Italy, Brazil, Canada, South Korea.

Russia is number 12.

The current G7 countries are US, Japan, Germany, UK, Italy, France, Canada.

So at least India, China, South Korea, and Brazil should be allowed before Russia on the basis of world economic impact.
 

cytg111

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So no one supports trumps call to get Russia back in?

Hmm...I guess this is another one of those threads where TDS (trump dick suckers) are conveniently absent from in order to not deal with their cult leaders stupidity. How telling.

UC announced his arrival.
 
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